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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

I almost totally forgot this was on tonight! And I'm really struggling to remember how the last series ended.

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Jerusalem posted:

The Master told the Doctor some lies, then got killed forever (he'll be back soon).

I remember it being bad, but I cant specifically remember if we saw the doctor being put into prison or if I only knew about it from the trailers...

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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And drat right I'll double post while new doctor who is airing: Is that the first non-moffat appearance of a weeping angel? (meaning not an episode he wrote or was show runner for)

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Who is an expert on weapons technology AND cloning? And we're back with the backpack DALEK I see.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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The_Doctor posted:

This is moving so slowly.

Yeah, kind of feels like they are trying to fit an hours worth of plot into an hour and 15 minutes worth of time.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Jerusalem posted:

I liked how that worked in Resolution, and this is basically a sequel so I'm okay with that. Just hope it doesn't become the default thing now.

Yeah, I kind of liked it in Resolution, but really as a one-off. Feels like a gimmick that could have been been given to a different alien.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Jerusalem posted:

I'm a little confused on the timeline here, did the Dalek start up the Osaka facility BEFORE the guy revealed it to Robertson and was told to destroy it?

He said something about connecting it to something and it recognised systems, so maybe it did it online then? I guess?

Edit: Oh, they're facehuggers now.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Kind of feel like its expecting us to feel bad for Leo, but I cant shake the "He died because he was a massive dumbfuck about basically everything" feeling.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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I feel like the Doctor wouldnt kill a TARDIS.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Jerusalem posted:

Yeah, I liked that last scene between Ryan and Graham but where the hell did it come from? That whole episode felt weirdly put together, like we're just doing giant public alien invasions and mass deaths and then everything going back to normal stories again? The tone of the thing was all over the place.

And somebody called John Bishop is gonna be the new companion, I have no idea who that is but looking him up he's a footballer/comedian?

Yeah. There were some good bits, but that episode was all over the drat place.

The wrote a heartfelt farewell scene for two companions, but forgot to write any decent lead in to it through the episode.

Those companions have psychic paper to allow them to investigate places where there may be dangerous aliens! But no specialist equipment or knowledge which would give them any advantage over those aliens, they are definitely going to die.

The pacing was sloooooow FASTFASTFAST sloooooooow, which... Yeah.

Apparently the DALEK could clone himself over the internet, and also kill contractors and turn them into nutrient over the internet too.

The Doctor killed a Tardis which doesnt feel right at all.

The doctor moped in prison about the bullshit revelations at the end of last series for years? Decades? I mean, I'm annoyed at them too, they are some bullshit, but that doesnt seem like something the doctor would do.

It was nice to see Jack though, he's good in Who, it almost makes me forget how much I hated all of torchwood. (Yes, all of it, dont @ me).

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Maelstache posted:

Walsh already proven his acting chops elsewhere though, so I was never concerned about him being on the show (and it turned out he was the least of the show's problems under Chibnall).

This just smacks of stunt casting.

Like the singer Billy Piper, and sketch comics Catherine Tate and Matt Lucas?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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ConanThe3rd posted:

My memory might be fuzzy but hadn’t Piper’s moment come and gone by 05?

As a singer yes, but she wasnt known as an actress yet either.

Edit to add: Its entirely possible that John Bishop will suck, but after thinking that about Piper, Lucas, Tate and Walsh and being wrong each time, I'm willing to give him a chance.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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The_Doctor posted:

I could definitely have done without Force ghost Grace at the end. That was a really weird moment.

Yeah, that super was. I forgot to mention it when I was talking about my problems with the episode, but what was that even about?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Dabir posted:

appreciate it, but there's plenty I could be doing with my time that gets better reviews than "not as bad as everyone says and has one good actor"

No one who posts in a thread for a show they arent interested in watching has anything important to do with their time.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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OldMemes posted:

Then the Master is "lol I killed them". It took the Daleks, like what, 400 years to destroy the Time Lords in a massive war that broke the universe, and the Master killed them...offscreen. By himself. Because the Doctor's new backstory upset him?

I mean, the doctors new backstory irritated me too, but I just posted about it in the doctor who thread. If someone just bought the master an account it would have saved a lot of casualties.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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The_Doctor posted:

Rumours are coming out that Jodie’s resigned/stepping down as the Doctor. I mean, the current one filming would be her 3rd, and if the pattern stays true...

Like, reasonably reliable sources, or the same clickpeddlers who've made a "JODIE TO STEP DOWN AS THE DOCTOR AND BBC TO ISSUE AND APOLOGY FOR CASTING A WOMAN IN THE FIRST PLACE!" video every year for the last three? Which my phone keeps recommending me because it doesnt have an option for "While I am interested in Doctor Who, I am not interested in clickbait or misogyny".

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Well that sucks if true. Both that shes going and that Chibnall isnt.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Khanstant posted:

:psyduck: is how I felt even several episodes after, just kind of a weird stink that hung around. It was really hosed up to hear the Doctor give a moral lesson lecture to the audience but instead of something inspiring and humane it's like "it's good to be trodden by megacorps actually!"

I do like this Doctor overall, think I agree that it's just everything around her that isn't as good.

This Witch episode was odd, mostly because I don't think I know anything about King James. First time she said it I thought she was making a reference to the bible. Then peewee herman shows up as this freaky royal british cartoon man, and I guess I just somehow missed his involvement in witch huntery? Was there really a pathetic king like that or was it a fun nudge and wink to some local history and myth of that dude?

Okay, I'm sorely tempted to just try and tease out what you thought the "King James" in "King James Bible" meant.

But; Alan Cumming (Who is, by the way, a treasure, and I will no joke fight you. Go watch Plunkett and Maclean and Josie and the Pussycats. He's also been in some good movies but hes having the most fun in those two movies) was playing King James VI (aka King James I). He was a religious man and paid for the first ever translation of the bible into the english language, hence "King James Bible" refering to a particular translation. So yes, he was playing "the bible guy". Also the king Guy Fawkes tried to blow up, if "the gunpowder plot" means anything to you?

As for his involvement in witch huntery, well, he pretty much wrote the book on witch hunting. Specifically the book he wrote was called Daemonologie and was (this lifted verbatim from wikipedia) "a political yet theological statement to educate a misinformed populace on the history, practices and implications of sorcery and the reasons for persecuting a witch in a Christian society under the rule of canonical law.". It heavily inspired witch trials/witch hunters in the following century or so.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Cerv posted:

also, gay as all hell

Also, it is worth mentioning, Gay. As. Hell.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Khanstant posted:

First, I loved Josie and the Pussycats and I don't think I effectively conveyed that I loved his performance and like the guy (I also really like Paul Reubins but I had to google that to avoid saying Peewee again).

I legit know more about LOTR history than I do about any european period with kings, which in my defense, all sound exactly as made up as every fantasy novel I've ever read, except in the IRL version everyone has exceptionally mundane names and it's hard to see someone as a protagonist or king with a name like Bob + a number(not to mention the numbers are about as consistent and useful as Xbox version names). Nebuchadnezzar... now that's a fuckin King's name if I ever heard one. My general template for an idea of a euro king is some rich dickhead in an office/castle tossing his weight around just like any other rich bastard with more power than anyone can possible deserve, so it's weird for me to imagine a Jeff Bezos slithering into a warehouse somewhere to hunt down workers for trying to take a bathroom break.

My recollection of King James is that once upon a time George RR Martin Luther Burger King's Jr was mad at the catholic church for being corrupt and evil shitweeds and he wrote a mean comment on their official facebook page where everyone could see it. Then he decided to take the catholic's lovely version of Paul's lovely bible and write a new equally lovely version that everyone except this time germans could read it instead of just latinos.

Anyway, King James one day wanted to get a divorce or something and the pope was all like "no, do our rules" and it was really causing problems for all these people who were split between two incredibly dumb authorities so he paid some other dude to copy burger king's idea but by writing a lovely paulian bible in a cringey self-indulgent english prose style. He used this new bible to make a new church that basically let him more easily do whatever it was he was going to be doing anyway.

Which I'm now learning involved getting hands-on involved with their era's non-consensual snuff films as well as wrote pre-DnD fantasy tabletop setting Core Rules Book except he went too deep and thought it was real life.


Hahaha what? Is this fake news? Neither evangelical church or texas public school adequately covered this topic

Sure, I get ya, like how george washington carver crossed the alamo in the war of 1812.

Okay, the "new church" was the Church of England (Anglican church). Which was started by Henry VIII, about 50-60 years (and 3-4 monarchs) before James VI came to the throne. And was nothing to do with Martin Luther. The Church of Scotland is a protestant church, but the Church of England was Henry separating England from Catholicism due to not being allowed more divorces. And also because the monastaries had land and riches that he thought would be better under his control.

You arent supposed to see them as protagonists, they were real people (and mainly arseholes, you dont hold on to a throne by being nice). Yes in real life most people have real life names.

And while it is always a little risky to categorize historical figures by modern standards (on the one hand, the way people express affection for each other has changed so it may be misleading to draw conclusions from turns of phrase in letters and such, on the other a lot of historians in the past took a "There were no gays between ancient greece and the 1960s, we have no idea why this picture shows two people of the same sex in bed together. They must have been close friends" attitude which erased that aspect of a great many people for a long time) , its generally accepted that yes, James VI/I was Gay As Hell (or possibly Bi as he was rumored to have had female lovers also. He fathered several children, but that actually doesnt tell you anything about his sexuality because it was just what kings were expected to do. He repeatedly promoted his favourite George Villiers (the Duke Of Buckinghamshire. He's in the three musketeers. In the best version he was played by Orlando Bloom). Like super repeatedly. To a "Not even trying to hide the nepotism" level.

SiKboy fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 6, 2021

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

I hope its all rumor and nonsense, and Jodie stays on as The Doctor. But failing that, how about The Master successfully body swaps, and Sacha Dhawan plays The Doctor and Jodie Whittaker plays The Master.

SiKboy fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jan 9, 2021

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Cleretic posted:

Not as easy as it seems there, because he's kinda what makes the whole plot work in the way it does. Who else could you really get in the position of 'guy who unintentionally bankrolls a Dalek army'? You need the Daleks being sold 'innocently' as securitech since that's the core of the whole thing, and they clearly wanted that to be a known figure, who else even is there that's feasibly 'in play' in the current era? It's basically just Robertson and that tech CEO from Spyfall, and I think they made the right choice between those two; the Spyfall guy was already actively malevolent and had a plan that would've killed humans for aliens, so he's out because it's too similar. Robertson's kinda perfect for his role in the story.

Plus, as far as I can tell from people I talk to about Doctor Who outside of this thread, that character was actually pretty drat popular. Of course they'd bring him back, he's a lot of fun as a villain. They were just kinda hamstrung about how they could conclude his presence in the story.

They could have just introduced a new character as "billionaire tech guy" just like they introduced a new character to be "Too dumb to live scientist" and "Theresa May". There was no real reason for it to be a known character, its not like the plot hinged on it being specifically this guy.

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