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I'm becoming more and more intrigued by non-dualism and slowly increasingly frustrated that I can't seem to find it
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Jul 10, 2021 23:08
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Bored Online posted:i think this is a common misconception. yeah life is suffering and joy is fleeting regardless of what your spiritual / religious beliefs are. some famous tibetan monks say buddhism is about appreciating joy in the moment when you get it so maybe you just gotta let yourself have one every now and again I've been thinking about this a lot recently. been listening to some stuff by joseph goldstein, and he was highlighting the difference between expectations and aspirations. and how expectations can act like cravings - leading to suffering, but aspiring for something more or better doesn't have to be like that. idk. i'm miserable a lot of the time, but its mostly my job that makes me feel that way, and so nothing goings to get better unless I address that.
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Jul 10, 2021 23:19
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thanks for resurrecting my dead dumb thread echi. may you find your worth in the waking world serious talk a bad or unfulfilling job can really gently caress you up and cause all kinds of mental anguish so good luck and godspeed. i was in the same place and just woke up a year later with all sorts of physical and mental problems solved just because i hosed off and did something else
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Jul 11, 2021 07:04
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I’m finding the potential new directions paralysing, I can’t help but feel like something like a recruitment agency would do a better job. It’s not that my job sucks, just that it feels like a massive waste of my skills and creativity. there are many opportunities in my current job to help people and feel like i’m doing good for the community, but tbh that does little for my life satisfaction, and the rest of the job is dull and the ship/industry is dying
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Jul 11, 2021 07:19
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thanks for the positivity. and beep telling me he pivoted at my age? maybe i’m not utterly without hope
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Jul 11, 2021 07:20
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imo everyone should find some weird fuckin poo poo from ages gone by and get really into that like Catharism for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism
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Jul 11, 2021 07:26
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um yeah thats .. something stoicism is appealing. but also requires hard work and being good
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Jul 11, 2021 08:41
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all philosophies have their own definition of being good also what’s this got to do with programming
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Jul 11, 2021 17:04
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Captain Foo posted:all philosophies have their own definition of being good sir this is a containment thread
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Jul 11, 2021 19:51
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Bored Online posted:sir this is a containment thread oh right carry on
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Jul 11, 2021 22:45
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https://twitter.com/rodtronics/status/1422463482860036098?s=20
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Aug 3, 2021 08:45
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duh?
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Aug 3, 2021 18:32
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I mean as a matter of direct experience Your conscious experience is a universe generated by your brain and you have that experience. it’s built based on information from your eyes and ears etc, but when you look at a chair, what you are experiencing in the first person is your own brains interpretation of the chair. you don’t see the actual chair, you see a mediated generated version of the chair that your brain projects into your consciousness. and i’d say most of the time for sane people this internal chair is identical to the physical chair outside you anyway, given this, it’s possible to perceive that everything you experience in consciousness is YOU. that is to say that everything in consciousness is made from consciousness and that that is you. when people talk about being one with the universe this is what they mean, it’s possible to see that everything you experience is you and that you are one with that it’s stretch to say that you are actually one with the actual universe. some make this claim, but there is no evidence of that. but one with your own conscious experience of all of existence? yep it’s already true
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Aug 4, 2021 02:40
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echinopsis posted:theres a kind of meditation called loving kindness, where you focus on a person, and pretend to be saying 'I wish you well", and genuinely wish better for that person, and because our brain gets better at what we practice, it transforms us. prayer must have a similar effect, presumably, unless its like, prayer for death to the apostates etc i like this
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Aug 4, 2021 05:01
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i don't know about prayer but doing mushrooms and experiencing what it is like to see things without the normal layer of filters and parsers laid on top is a really easy and fun way to realize how much control a person actually has over their own perception of how life is going
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Aug 4, 2021 05:09
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Corla Plankun posted:i don't know about prayer but doing mushrooms and experiencing what it is like to see things without the normal layer of filters and parsers laid on top is a really easy and fun way to realize how much control a person actually has over their own perception of how life is going absolutely. our brains paint an awful lot all over reality and there’s almost nothing we can do to avoid it. you can’t hear english and not parse it, you can’t read words and not inherently understand them. it does appear possible to experience something like what you’re talking about without psychedelics, although I haven’t experienced it myself, I’ve read enough to believe that it’s possible to somewhat experience consciousness prior to concepts.
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Aug 4, 2021 11:22
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it is certainly underappreciated in present day how much of perceived reality is a consensus illusion, created by various deeply instilled precepts and values. leading people to attempt to treat society as a scientifically established set of facts, rather than something that needs to be tended communally and rather emotionally.
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Aug 4, 2021 12:29
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There is no brain.
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Aug 4, 2021 19:14
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:it is certainly underappreciated in present day how much of perceived reality is a consensus illusion, created by various deeply instilled precepts and values. leading people to attempt to treat society as a scientifically established set of facts, rather than something that needs to be tended communally and rather emotionally. that achewood quote about how "being in trouble is a fake idea" or whatever is actually so broadly applicable as to almost be holy we are consenting to participate in so much dumb poo poo every day that we can totally just opt out of mentally at almost no cost. brains are real and they are spectacular.
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Aug 4, 2021 19:24
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Convoolio posted:There is no brain. kill the brain in your brain
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Aug 4, 2021 20:37
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every single thing that you can experience exists within consciousness. this is not controversial and it must be true, for something to be experienced to has to appear in consciousness. it’s easy to imagine how objects in the world are a thing in consciousness as are feelings sounds. all our senses emotions it’s interesting to realise that even that intimately familiar feeling of “subjectivity” itself is an appearance within consciousness. subjectivity does not define consciousness and is not an integral part of it. it’s simply another thing within in the sense that you are a you, a subject, floating inside your head behind your eyes? this is not a fact about consciousness itself but just a appearance within it Convoolio posted:There is no brain. Corla Plankun posted:brains are real 😰
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Aug 4, 2021 20:59
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Corla Plankun posted:
I generally feel this way about anxiety and worry. people seem to have it in their mind that they need to worry about something, or that its not possible to not worry or be anxious. of course if deep grooves in the brain have been dug it’ll take time and effort to get out of those pathways, but what it seems like is that most people aren’t interested, don’t believe it’s possible, believe worrying and anxiety is worthwhile and necessary, medicate (self or otherwise) until the problem is gone. meditation is a good start regardless toward working on these things for example anger… requires that you constantly think over and over about how you have every right to be angry or what caused it. if you stop that thinking train the anger dissipates hundred years ago people thought physical exercise was moronic but now we know it’s good for you. meditation is simply mental exercise
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Aug 4, 2021 21:09
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Bored Online posted:kill the brain in your mind Fixed
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Aug 5, 2021 08:01
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do you have any control over the thoughts that pop into your mind? I think the closest thing to it, is having enough mindfulness to see a thought without “becoming it”, and so being able to let the thought come and then pass away, and as you don’t entertain the thought and dwell on it, you don’t dig the pathways in the brain related to that thought deeper, and so is less likely to come up again in the future but outside of that? your history has determined what thought will pop in next. you don’t choose your thoughts. you instinctively know how to ask your mine to throw up thoughts, let’s say you were asked what your favourite movie from the last ten years was. either hearing that question or thinking that question in your mind will start to elicit answers from your brain that just appear in consciousness. we have no access to this part of the mind that creates those answers. I’ve read some accounts where very huge doses of psychedelics makes it at least seem like you’re observing the progress of free will, who knows how real that is and interesting perhaps to wonder that it would be impossible to disprove but conceptually possible that perhaps that or a different part of your mind has its own independent consciousness. the split brain experiments introduce some spanners into the works too, does each hemisphere have its own consciousness? has anyone here read thinking fast and slow? it’s so excellent
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Aug 5, 2021 08:36
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ya know when trying to figure out my own mind and motivation and stuff, like what drives me, because when I don’t have something driving me life feels like such a drag. I have amazing kids and I love seeing them grow up and become the people they are, and a loving gf. and my job isn’t that bad really.. but for whatever reasons those things don’t drive me or make me excited the only times in life i’m actually ok with being alive is when taking drugs but that’s extremely unsustainable and not recommended and I can’t rely on that pathway, or when I am excited about “a thing” whatever that is. But the thing is, is it even possible to find a way to live like that? enough exciting things? maybe I need to find a line of work that gives me some level of job satisfaction. I really want to persue photography but my partner is wary that the process of portrait photography and that you create a connection on some level with the model opens a potentially dangerous (for our relationship) door. and I see where she’s coming from, and I am really struggling with the idea of not chasing a thing that I know brings me joy and happiness. so I wonder maybe I have to only photograph dudes or old people or something. which doesn’t float my boat as much because it largely is me being in control of producing an image that shows off femininity. anyway kind of just wish I could like die and someone else take over my life. i’m sure there are countless people around the world who would be more than happy with my existence. because I don’t want those people in my life who love me and need me to go without me, but I struggle to see a way to live day to day. if life is just day to day struggle .. ugh.. I suppose just have to focus perhaps on fact that death comes to all, and it’ll eventually be over 😞🥳
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Aug 23, 2021 00:06
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echinopsis posted:every single thing that you can experience exists within consciousness. this is not controversial and it must be true, for something to be experienced to has to appear in consciousness. you're right this isn't controversial, but it's also not particularly meaningful. it might sound insightful, but it follows directly from the definition of experience. what am i supposed to do with this information?
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Aug 23, 2021 18:59
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it becomes important when combined with the proposition that something that appears in consciousness is, by that translation from the external world to the internal one, altered. thus what you experience is not the thing-in-itself. by changing how a thing is represented in your consciousness you can change its nature (not its external-to-you nature, of course, but the only thing you have access to which is good enough). dont confuse "changing its nature" for like "making a malicious person start doing good poo poo" or "do magic tricks" or stuff like that - it's about seeing the given outputs of that system _as_ stemming from past trauma (instead of malice) or as opportunity (instead of setback), that kinda poo poo. there are lots of people that reject the idea that consciousness necessarily mediates access to the external world. i think that it does, in fact, so mediate but it's not exactly a self-evident and foolproof thing
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Aug 23, 2021 19:35
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DELETE CASCADE posted:you're right this isn't controversial, but it's also not particularly meaningful. it might sound insightful, but it follows directly from the definition of experience. what am i supposed to do with this information? there’s what achmed said and some people find it revelatory, and some people may be able to trigger an experience where it becomes apparent that everything they experience is them, aka one with the universe, and may able to see thru the sense of the self to see that there is no separation between them and the world - nondualism I’m at the stage of still trying to notice this innately because for a lot of people that’s what enlightenment is, or at least it’s the first stage toward enlightenment good question though. I question the benefit of discovering non-dual nature myself, I largely understand the benefit is self evident once you get there
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Aug 23, 2021 20:46
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ya know what’s a great meditation object? a cold shower lol
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Aug 23, 2021 21:35
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echinopsis posted:ya know what’s a great meditation object? you should try taking one every once in awhile
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Aug 24, 2021 01:29
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lots if psychobabble in my religion thread
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Aug 24, 2021 01:51
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what exactly do you think religion is
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Aug 24, 2021 01:56
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if it is not gunpei yokoi and the nintendo entertainment system i claim you all know no joy
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Aug 24, 2021 02:14
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religion hits different when you're a woman
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Aug 24, 2021 10:40
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Workaday Wizard posted:religion hits different when you're a woman just a curious coincidence though nothing man-made 
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Aug 24, 2021 10:42
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akadajet posted:you should try taking one every once in awhile I started a good few months back and stopped during winter coz it’s cold but drat when it starts warming up enough and I don’t think it’s far away, drat the cold shower leaves you with a good feeling someone said feels like mdma afterward but that’s a stretch.. but.. it does feel good afterward and it is a great mediation object in a way it’s mega uncomfortable and borderline painful but .. it’s also utterly safe and stops the moment you stop if you turn it up to warm it feels mega nice some people start cold and i can’t do rhat. just turn it down to cold at the end and trying to even count slowly to ten i’m desperately hoping it’ll fix my life
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Aug 24, 2021 10:44
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Workaday Wizard posted:religion hits different when you're a woman mmmmm dat sharia
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Aug 24, 2021 10:44
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edit : i presume something i said is wrong
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Aug 24, 2021 10:51
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the worst religion of all? jedi
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Aug 24, 2021 10:52
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right here's a question: when I smoke weed, my creativity regarding playing music goes through the roof. it just opens doors on so many fronts so well. I try to make sure I record not just audio but also midi in case I come across a gem I can transport across the divide and work on in the straight dimension anyway.. how do I tap into this without cannabis? obviously it's a drug and it makes the brain do things it otherwise wouldn't do but on the other hand cannabis doesn't bring it's own creativity, all that ability was already available in your current mind, just unaccessible to some extent spose I'm just bringing it up rather than asking or proposing anything. wondering if anyone has any thoughts about that.
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Aug 24, 2021 11:25
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