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Yeah Nah 122 53.51%
Nah Yeah 64 28.07%
Nah Yee 18 7.89%
No Yes 9 3.95%
Yes No 15 6.58%
Total: 228 votes
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CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Eediot Jedi posted:

One of the Melbourne cases went to the boxing day sales at fountain gate. Hope you're not planning on going out tonight.

People who were in those exposure areas should definitely not. But everyone else shouldn't have to abide by any restrictions just because there's one case in the city.

I feel like Melbourne peeps have COVID PTSD or something. You can't enforce Stage 4 lockdown for a few cases, especially when the contact tracing is meant to be up to scratch now.

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CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Comstar posted:

It’s not one case and there is no link in the chain so someone is running around infected. Limiting to 15 people and masks in all locations is a good call.

Oh yeah, I have no problem with those two restrictions. I just meant the idea that no one should be going out at all, which is what that post seemed to say.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

freebooter posted:

Auckland did, and I don't think anyone would dispute it's been a better year for most New Zealanders than most Sydneysiders and Melburnians.

The general line of thinking in Melbourne, after what basically felt like eight months in lockdown, is that you'd rather do a short and sharp lockdown out of an abundance of caution than wring your hands and drag your feet for ages and ultimately have to do a longer one, even if that's not the most likely outcome. A week or two of lockdown is loving nothing.

There has to be a balance, and going straight to stage 4 restrictions due to three cases is not a legitimate balance.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Tommunist posted:

Hope you have a happy 2021 Mr scribe!

I sure will!

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Solemn Sloth posted:

We’ve got hotspots now listed going back to the 21st, NSW has given us the gift of almost two weeks of potential undetected community transmission leading into New Years Eve you illiterate baboon

And so what would you rather do?

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Recoome posted:

Lock down NSW

I'm surprised Dan is dragging his feet on this one.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Eediot Jedi posted:

NSW contact tracing had been held up as the gold standard and yet

I wasn't advocating immediate stage 4 but I do think anyone going to anything beyond a small gathering of friends/family tonight is a wanker.

Yeah I'm going to a thing tonight but it's only going to be 10 people, and it's outside. It's the max I would consider after today's news.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Comstar posted:

3 days for infections to show up from parties tonight. 1 day for test results.

See you all in lockdown next week. Wouldn’t be surprised if Victoria does it and NSW is later.

God you loving doomers are the worst.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

x1o posted:

One of the infection sites was the boxing day sales at fountain gate. Based on what I've seen concerning mask wearing, we're most likely hosed. So yeah, if cases spike, get ready for the next lockdown.

Just shut the gently caress up already.

What you’re basically saying is that Victoria hasn’t improved contact tracing at all. Which simply isn’t the case.

I get you might have had a lovely 2020 like all of us but it’s simply too early to tell whether this will be contained or turn into something worse.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Eediot Jedi posted:

Just open mouth slack jaw wonderment at someone considering covid traveling from Sydney to Melbourne, past the NSW contact tracing and controls, remaining undetected for up to a week and half during a period of big social movements and just before another night of frenzied social gathering as too early to tell if the situation is out of hand.

It is too early to tell. That’s how data works.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Solemn Sloth posted:

It’s loving incredible that the shrillest poster when it came to Dictator Dan not letting him lick doorknobs 5.1km from his house is now railing against the idea of responding early so we don’t get to that stage again.

Low risk and appropriate activity in a pandemic: whatever the gently caress celestialscribe personally wants to do at this very instant.

When did I say I’m against responding early? Please quote me. I’ve already said the restrictions put in place from yesterday are completely reasonable. Depending on what comes up in the next two days, more might be necessary. Maybe not. Let’s just see what happens.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. I said the decision to reduce visitor numbers and introduce masks for indoors is good.

If you're trying to attack me for saying we shouldn't go into stage 4 lockdown right now, then go ahead I guess? Sorry for thinking there can be some actual nuance in our response here rather than re-introducing curfews and 5km limits right away.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

We should exercise prudence, I have a trip to a nice park planned for today

What do you suggest we do, then?

The default response to new outbreaks cannot be "immediately go to stage 4" because there will inevitably be new cases that pop up until everyone is vaccinated. It isn't sustainable. Instead just introduce reasonable restrictions as circumstances present themselves - like right now.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

EoinCannon posted:

The problem is nsw didn't introduce reasonable restrictions.
That effects other states with open borders

Yeah I agree?

Eediot Jedi posted:

This pandemic is completely unknown territory. There's no way NSW could reasonably have predicted a limited area lockdown in a big city could fail, with no prominent examples of that happening. Likewise there's no examples of immediately implementing strong lockdown measures until you have the data leading to a positive outcomes. All we can do is wait and see if half measures and dumb luck can save us from looking like we overreacted, truly the worst outcome of all.

So offer a solution. What do you want to happen now?

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

x1o posted:

My 2020 was amazing, which I kinda feel awful about considering how many other people suffered during the year. But I'm going to assume it's going to get worse this virus is incredibly infectious, and as I pointed out, one of the infection sites is a popular shopping center during one of the most busiest shopping days of the year. In the worst case, there are now hundreds of cases resulting from that. It's unlikely, but best get ready for it.

Get ready for it, how exactly? This year is just full of people saying poo poo like “oh the world is ending”. Like you do you if you want to collapse in a puddle of despair.

If your point is that we need to be in stage 4 now then okay but I think that’s overkill.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
https://twitter.com/drvyom/status/1345143679279796224?s=20

Fantastic news.

Next few days will still be important.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
Only three cases in Vic today, all linked and already in isolation.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
More good news in Vic.

https://twitter.com/VicGovDHHS/status/1345854435751325696?s=20

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
Man that Victorian outbreak really got out of hand huh

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Solemn Sloth posted:

Just outstanding timing to post this right after they’ve announced a mystery case they believe might have been acquired at either the MCG or Boxing Day sales at chadstone.

Keep dooming.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Senor Tron posted:

You really are one of the fuckers who throws their cigarette butts out the car window in summer because most of the time it doesn't start a bush fire aren't you.

Who smokes in the year of our lord 2020

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Senor Tron posted:

I know it's bad for him and others but my son really likes it so you know.

loving hilarious to me you idiots can't get over this

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

realbez posted:

Ok I have never heard someone refer to themselves as four weeks pregnant before. This is pretty offensive to people who have suffered pregnancy loss.

How is it offensive?

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

JBP posted:

It's still a miscarriage but most people that experience them before six weeks understand it's a dice game you will lose often. I can't be hosed reading whatever drivel they've churned out for this individual's unfortunate situation.

realbez posted:

It sounds heartless (which is what the author of that article is going for), and she has every right to be sad because I’m sure she was excited and happy to be pregnant, but at 4 weeks it isn’t much more than a period, so writing that article to demonise the border closures is a huge stretch and pulling on heart strings that don’t need to be pulled on basically

...and I'm the bad guy for going to a loving park.

Jesus Christ, you two are loving evil. I'd love to see you say this to the face of any woman who has experienced a miscarriage at any time, and I don't give a poo poo if either of you are women and have experienced it yourself. that's loving heartless. gently caress you both.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

realbez posted:

Eat poo poo fuckwit

gently caress off and literally die in a loving fire.

JBP posted:

Yeah it's evil to clarify the question over what a miscarriage is and then choose not to read a garbage article. You really are a saint, now I see it.

"It's still a miscarriage but most people that experience them before six weeks understand it's a dice game you will lose often"

You're a loving idiot, eat poo poo and die.

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CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

JBP posted:

Are you saying people (in particular people clearly trying to get pregnant) aren't given the odds by doctors and told to hold off on telling their friends and family until 13+ weeks?

I'm saying you're a heartless piece of poo poo.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

EoinCannon posted:

You're upset that nobody agrees with your views on covid and are arguing in bad faith

You don't even know what my views on COVID are. No one here does. The only thing people know is that during the end of the lockdown, I took my son to a park that was slightly further away than the 5km travel limit.

If you want an audit of my views for the sake of it, here you go:

- I agree with everything the Vic state government has done except:
- The curfew was completely wrong and should never have been implemented as it wasn't recommended by health experts
- Specialist schools should have remained open during lockdown
- The 5km travel bubble should have been 10km to accommodate people at the edge of metropolitan areas
- The state government should have provided more financial assistance when announcing the harshest lockdowns in the country
- Daniel Andrews should step down for failing to run a competent hotel quarantine program that led to the second wave
- There should have been more exceptions to travel restrictions, like L platers wanting to practice in their car, or whatever
- They should have implemented lockdown plans during the end of the first wave, rather than scrambling around like fools during the second - they had months to prepare roadmaps and they didn't

That's it. I vote Greens, before you say anything.

CelestialScribe fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jan 6, 2021

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

The Artificial Kid posted:

Daniel Andrews should step up onto a little podium and be given medals and champagne for not being the Liberals, and for doing what needed to be done in spite of constant sledging from the federal government. The states should never have had to run a quarantine program, returning citizens/residents should have been quarantined in a properly organised centre away from major cities.

I don't deny his conviction was exactly what was needed to be done and he remained strong in the face of enormous pressure. That doesn't change the fact that both hotel quarantine and contact tracing were an absolute joke. The resignations clearly show that, and Andrews himself said that he would have fired both women responsible if they were still in their roles.

The fact no one knows who was responsible is the worst part of all. It's a shamble and he should take responsibility for it.

I'm also not going to engage with anyone on this who hasn't read the report.

CelestialScribe fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jan 6, 2021

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

EoinCannon posted:

I think you made most of those views known during lockdown and most people didn't agree with a lot of it. Also there was a sense that everyone agreed to follow the rules (regardless of how they felt about them) but you felt you shouldn't have to. I appreciate that it was a bad time for you, probably worse than most.

I went to a park outside my 5km limit when no one was there. loving sue me. I bet more than one person here went to the supermarket twice or whatever the gently caress.

You accuse me of arguing in bad faith, yet you're the one insinuating that I broke whatever rules I wanted, whenever I wanted, which just isn't true.

CelestialScribe fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Jan 6, 2021

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

RichardA posted:

My understanding is that powers over quarantine is a federal matter by our constitution. Am I mistaken?

The administration is done on a state level, and the report is pretty scathing that the Vic government hosed it up.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

hooman posted:

Amazing, claiming people are cutting corners on the vaccine, our loving prime minister auspol. What a piece of poo poo.

Uh, people in the scientific community are saying this too. Scomo is a piece of poo poo but he's not wrong here.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

It's a much more contagious strain and is an entirely appropriate measure, especially considering QLD hasn't been dealing with outbreaks lately. Completely different than in Victoria, where we've now had two days of 0 cases despite no massive lockdown.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

starkebn posted:

I'm glad the gov in QLD is going hard fast. Better than a "let's see what happens" approach.

Different strain, different approach.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

I'll wear one if I have to go into shops or whatever but I'm not going to wear one anymore if I'm just walking down the street or exercising.

Thanks, I'm no longer the worst person in this thread

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CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The whole Dandrews whining is literally just childish tantrums complete with feeling faintly embarassed when the lockdown ends and they can't remember any substantial reason why they were mad.

Mostly. But he should still resign.

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