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Good soup! posted:Did anyone ever call Miss Cleo back in the day, what was that like I didn't call miss cleo but I did call a psychic line a couple times out of boredom. The first one told me some nonsense I can't remember now, but the second one told me I would marry a guy who was considerably older than me and a Leo, and my husband is both of those things. So who knows?
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clockwork chaos posted:witchcraft and the like is predominantly born of peasantry and commoners but go off i guess It seems dubious to try and draw a connection from "the one woman in the village who knew about herbs, and midwifing, and germs" to "well off white girls messing about with cards and pretending star signs mean things" and act like that's a meaningful historic throughline, honestly
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look buddy, i dont care to debate on if things mean things in the witchcraft thread
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Crane Fist posted:It seems dubious to try and draw a connection from "the one woman in the village who knew about herbs, and midwifing, and germs" to "well off white girls messing about with cards and pretending star signs mean things" and act like that's a meaningful historic throughline, honestly drat bitch don't talk about poo poo you don't understand
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snoo posted:drat bitch don't talk about poo poo you don't understand drat sorry for my lack of understanding of this completely fake thing, maybe you can recommend me some imaginary reading material on the subject (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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nothing is real and nothing matters  may i have a single card reading, OP, thank you
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Crane Fist posted:drat sorry for my lack of understanding of this completely fake thing, maybe you can recommend me some imaginary reading material on the subject maybe you could gently caress off then and let people enjoy some imaginary fun
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snoo posted:nothing is real and nothing matters For you, I have drawn  Death: new beginnings. As one cycle ends, a new one begins - a fresh start upon the ashes of the old. New experiences await as the unwalked path is travelled
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can we post about carl jung itt? he had some interesting ideas on mysticism 
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this place is open to all discussion of mysticism and esoterica, you might need to start at the beginning, though
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TheSlutPit posted:can we post about carl jung itt? he had some interesting ideas on mysticism Jung suspected the imagery from the I Ching was possibly universal. "Even to the most biased eye, it is obvious that this book represents one long admonition to careful scrutiny of one's own character, attitude, and motives." He was kind of a weirdo. Early in the history of computers, tho, someone set up a program that was essentially a kind of Zork where you would walk around in a garden and run into different trigrams and stuff. Has anyone else heard about this because I can't find it? If I'm remembering this right you would go down a branching path that pretty much stepped through the same algorithm that ends with you getting a hexagram and the reading and all that.
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 took that a few years ago but I guess it’s still relevant
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hungry for crepes n poo poo posted:maybe you could gently caress off then and let people enjoy some imaginary fun imo the question of whether there is an historical through-line from, say, the witches of early modern europe and the american settlers to the people who now call themselves witches is interesting also, i usually get an impression that people today who are into witchcraft, tarot, or other occultlike things don't just see it as imaginary fun Finicums Wake has issued a correction as of 03:37 on Jan 3, 2021 |
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here's a cool book about the witch hunts (among other things) from a marxist feminist perspective: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/403846.Caliban_and_the_Witch i have no real interest in witches or witchcraft, but found it fascinating. Finicums Wake has issued a correction as of 03:42 on Jan 3, 2021 |
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that owns, i love it Finicums Wake posted:imo the question of whether there is an historical through-line from, say, the witches of early modern europe and the american settlers to the people who now call themselves witches is interesting the gotdang OP posted:there's no wrong way to go about it as long as you're not being an rear end in a top hat.
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clockwork chaos posted:witchcraft and the like is predominantly born of peasantry and commoners but go off i guess edit: 
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That’s really loving rad
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clockwork chaos posted:C-Spam's Daily Reading for 1/2 thumbs up, thanks for this
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Finicums Wake posted:imo the question of whether there is an historical through-line from, say, the witches of early modern europe and the american settlers to the people who now call themselves witches is interesting Most of the people I know into that sort of thing tend to be queer and working class. The rationale ranges from "I view mysticism as a sort of self-reflection and system by which I can reorient my mind and will into the direction I desire" to "by lighting these six black candles and burning this poem I wrote, Mitch McConnell will literally fall down and break his balls." It really depends on the person. Honestly a big factor for its popularity in the US almost certainly has to do with the lack of healthcare access. I can't count the number of times I've known people get sick or deal with mental health issues and turn to other friends who will point out some herbal medicine they can try to use until they can actually afford to see a doctor People just want power and a sense of control over their own lives. Whether it's real or just something that eases that drive, people will turn to whatever they can get their hands on to do it
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clockwork chaos posted:witchcraft and the like is predominantly born of peasantry and commoners but go off i guess and used exclusively today by rich people, at least offline, which is the only location that matters (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Larry Parrish posted:and used exclusively today by rich people, at least offline, which is the only location that matters u know what else the rich exclusively have access to? posting. ur cancelled buddy
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Larry Parrish posted:and used exclusively today by rich people, at least offline, which is the only location that matters imagine hating women this much
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Larry Parrish posted:and used exclusively today by rich people, at least offline, which is the only location that matters thats not true, the one used exclusively by rich ppl are doing musical chairs with pedo priest lol
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snoo posted:imagine hating women this much lol
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snoo posted:imagine hating women this much What's wrong with your brain. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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snoo posted:imagine hating women this much lmao
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please stop ruining the vibe, i have like three rules for this place cmon C-Spam's Daily Reading 1/3  Ace of Swords: thoughts of success. Today is a day of goal-setting and planning. Lofty dreams and future doorways remain out of reach laying down, only through effort may they be grasped. Inverted Strength: insecure feelings. Today is a day for learning limits and boundaries. The perimeter of ability, upon discovery, can yield insight of where vulnerabilities lie and how to solve them. Inverted Judgement: actions of doubt. Today is a day of evaluation and awareness. Dysphoria is the progenitor of the harshest critic, upon which impossible standards are set, stifling growth and freedom of expression.
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snoo posted:imagine hating women this much
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edit: nevermind, trying to keep the chill
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I have begun to read a little bit in my kabbalah book. It begins by introducing the concept of kabbalah which is a little different than what I've associated with that term, there's no mention of the Torah for example. According to the book, written in 2004, kabbalah is becoming popular with many people nowadays. Personally I've never heard of it apart from on the internet and in books, so that doesn't jive with my experience. Admittedly most of the people I talk to tend to be pretty materialistic. The book introduces a cosmology, explaining how the universe was created and the nature of souls. It sounds pretty similar to Platonism. Reincarnation is a part of it, and every time a soul is reincarnated it retains experience from its previous time on earth. That should mean that the souls that are around today are the most experienced ever, and according to the book our "generation" is indeed very spiritual. The book talks about the knowledge within being "esoteric" but at the same time "anyone can do it" which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me but there seems to be a kind of "practical kabbalah" that's easy to get into, if you're like me and don't want to learn Hebrew and do hardcore exegesis of scripture, which is what I used to think kabbalah was about. I haven't gotten to the part where you learn how to do magic yet but it should be coming up soon.
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snoo posted:imagine hating indigenous peoples and women this much ftfy Edit:  posted this before I read the vibes warning. Real-talk tho, would it absolutely kill the good vibes and I should make a new thread for it, or can I bring up how anti-magic attitudes are literally almost without fail covers for extreme anti-native/racism and misogyny?
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staticman posted:ftfy Please go ahead.
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staticman posted:ftfy no this sounds right at home for this place, the vibes warning is for the drive-by shitposters who bring nothing to the table
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This is gonna be some dumb gay goonrant, BUT LET'S HOP ONBOARD MY WILD RIDE ANYWAY~! Let me get straight to the point: Raise your hand if you've killed the cop in your head. Good.  Now, raise your hand if you've killed or are killing the colonizer in your head. Many of you are asking "w-what...?", "lol are you serious?", etc. We all know about the entity called "the cop in your head", and it's death is a necessary part of unchaining oneself and others from the prison of Capitalism. There's just one problem, especially if you're pale, there's another entity implanted in you called the Colonizer. This entity's actively driving you to not just hate non-Christian faith, but to destroy it in whatever ways you can. As above, so below, just like fascists use liberal free-speech as a Trojan horse to deliver white supremacist An Orwellmaidenheirazilneworltheylivatrix's Tale, the Colonizer's favorite horse for ecocidal Christendom these days is ~skeptical atheism and loving loving science~. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but scientists are as listened to by the government as Indigenous elders. There's a reason natives are screaming from the rooftops for y'all to listen to them, cause if you keep ignoring them, you're literally going to continue the colonial cycle, but this time forcing the "superstitious savages" to surrender their ways and adopt the immortal science. That's exactly what the colonizer in your head wants, and why you must kill him. Not sure what else to say on this, again, sorry if this came out a dumb goon rant, just my observation 
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staticman posted:This is gonna be some dumb gay goonrant, BUT LET'S HOP ONBOARD MY WILD RIDE ANYWAY~! Good rant I missed the gay part though dunno why you felt it neccessary to include that
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Crane Fist posted:drat sorry for my lack of understanding of this completely fake thing, maybe you can recommend me some imaginary reading material on the subject It is widely known that the first American colonists were murderously superstitious, but fortunetelling, the occult, and western esotericism was no less prominent in later periods of American history. From immigrants living in tenements to African Americans in the post-Civil-War South to traveling carnivals, fortunetellers were often not only working-class people working for working class people, but also often disenfranchised people from the fringes of mainstream society. Some were in it for the grift, sure, but others served a role akin to a therapist for the poor, helping people think about their lives in new ways or to make difficult decisions. In some cases this was a cherished role in the community, and in some places (like New Orleans), this tradition has become so strong as to form a key part of local cultural identity. There are of course Marxist critiques of the sort that would be more in line with Taintrunner’s posting here, such as Theodor Adorno’s critique of astrology: quote:The doctrine of the existence of the Spirit, the ultimate exaltation of bourgeois consciousness, consequently bore teleologically within it the belief in spirits, its ultimate degradation. The shift to existence, always "positive" and justifying the world, implies at the same time the thesis of the positivity of mind, pinning it down, transposing the absolute into appearance. Whether the whole objective world, as "product", is to be spirit, or a particular thing a particular spirit, ceases to matter, and the world-spirit becomes the supreme Spirit, the guardian angel of the established, despiritualized order. On this the occultists live: their mysticism is the enfant terrible of the mystical moment in Hegel. And then there are critiques of the critiques. From an essay on the economics of fortune telling certification programs: quote:Hardly fraudulent, the contemporary psychic practitioner performs an increasingly pervasive form of labor in American society. Part life-coach, part spiritual mentor, their work capitalizes on the conditions of everyday life, particularly as the quest for personal well-being comes to stand in for more structural promises of long-term security. They may, perhaps, be the quintessential affective laborers: those who sell their very capacity to produce in you the feeling that you exist — that you can be recognized, read, interpreted, and advised. But in any case we find that fortunetelling and the occult can be a rich grounds of discussion, even when commenting on economic systems in the abstract: quote:What is perhaps most salient within the history of fortune-telling is the way it both reifies and subverts capitalist economics. Its subversion can be seen when one thinks of the ideological scandal that would ensue if one indeed had the ability to predict the outcome of the lottery, a feature of most capitalist societies. The capitalist ethos of self-mastery is undermined by the possibility of luck leading to success without proportional labor. As a result, games of luck tend to be sidelined in capitalist societies, looked down upon as pastimes of the poor and lazy. And all this without even mentioning the interesting history of things such as the tarot deck itself, the development of particular traditions, and the transmission of these ideas and practices. twoday has issued a correction as of 20:39 on Jan 3, 2021 |
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