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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Mebh posted:

Hey we made it a whole 24 hours before the first slap fight.

Vit P is certainly a high impact poster

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Blueshirt posted:

Vitamin P's a bit all over the place but the BLM protests definitely didn't help in terms of compliance. Your average punter doesn't go "oh well they're outside and mostly masked and you can't always plan your flashpoints in a long overdue social movement", they go "here they're out doing stuff and I've been sat in watching Netflix and our Sharon's eldest got fined for going to that beach barbecue, gently caress this poo poo".

And when the media touched on the whole "wait, covid though?" aspect of the protests it did tend to be a bit peremptory and "it's fine, stfu" in tone. Which is a failure of our garbage media, rather than the protestors, but if you're a spluttery reactionary type that's gonna elude you.

Presumably there's some sort of evidence to back these claims up beyond your hypothetical anecdotes

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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winegums posted:

Anyway I'll leave you with a tweet thread that's quite good.

https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1345711455220412418

I read that twitter thread, and his response to people asking about safety of teachers and their families is pretty much what you'd expect from someone crowing about how "moderate" they are: loving disgusting.

He's saying that because other essential workers are having to work in unsafe workplaces, teachers should too. Weird how all the jobs he lists for comparison don't have unions worth a drat. Also weird how none of the jobs involve being stuck in a closed room with 30+ disease spreaders who have been told by dickheads like this that they're not at risk and can, by implication, do whatever they want.

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Nov 25, 2013

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Grey Hunter posted:

Lads school is shut for two weeks, he's already climbing the walls and I'm going to have to work hard to keep him sane, but I can understand the risks.

I'm still not sure why they didn't make wave 1 of the vaccine all NHS, police, fire and teachers, then move on to the OAPs.

The cynical answer is that the consent manufacturing machine has already cast NHS workers as heroes to be sacrificed in a war, and teachers as workshy lefties who want more time off.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Unfortunately for Labour, no one considers any of their MPs to be authority figures

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Judge in the Assange case just refused extradition, because the US prison system is so hosed it would destroy his mental health while simultaneously being unable to prevent him committing suicide.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jose posted:

So the judge agreed that assange committed the crimes he was accused of just that he'd kill himself if extradited. Great precedent

Yeah and the reason he'd be likely to kill himself is because he'd have to be kept in permanent solitary to avoid being murdered by US intelligence agencies. Sorry, because "special measures" would have to be used in his incarceration due to the "hostile attitude" of US Intel agencies.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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crispix posted:

Yeah it's particularly poo poo at this point to blame the public for not following the rules when the rules are so (somehow simultaneously) half-arsed and complex and change so drat often

I don't think you need the (somehow simultaneously) here. They are half arsed because they are full of exceptions and loopholes, and they're complex for the same reason.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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I know he's probably the biggest melt at Novara but this thread seems pretty solid

https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1346078666237816833

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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They brought in Agile consultants at the last place I worked. The end result was a 15 minute stand-up meeting every morning that everyone hated, 15 minutes less time to do the same amount of work every day, and another spreadsheet to fill in.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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stev posted:

Lmao I think every office is falling for this scam. We spent millions on a consultancy firm who was with us for a year and the end result was a 15 minute meeting each morning, which everyone abandoned as soon as the consultants had left.

We at least got a nice whiteboard to meet next to rather than filling in a spreadsheet though.

We had the whiteboard too. They updated it based on the spreadsheet.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Also we knew why they were trying to increase our productivity: we were in a year-long ever-deepening hole because they'd closed 2 offices and made a load of people redundant at a point where we were just barely on top of the incoming work. So we knew what would happen to our jobs if we did get more done.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Convex posted:

God I hope so :pray:

Why would they do it now when they can hold it back for the next manifesto (and then not do it)

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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jiggerypokery posted:

Anything that gets the likes of Amazon to pay tax of any flavour is cool and good imo.

This isn't amazon paying tax, this is their customers paying an incredibly regressive tax

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Absolutely amazed at the number of people in here that think VAT is a tax on businesses

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Bets on BBC educational programming becoming a new front in the culture wars?

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Nov 25, 2013

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Butternubs posted:

This is a few pages back but I'm convinced six sigma/agile etc are pretty much just middle management scams. Having seen some six sigma training its just common sense stuff?? with numbers?? and then they charge you 5k??? and they call themselves blackbelts? also I'm pretty sure in some places scrum is a euphemism for butthole.

You'd be surprised how much common sense appears indistinguishable from magic to people raised on "that's how we've always done it" orthodoxy

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Gort posted:

Well, I'm stumped. Why did people think 15% of a hundred is 6.67?

Edit: Oh naturally it comes to me the moment I post, they divided 100 by 15

I like this one, because then you ask them to work out 1% of 100 using the same method

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Red Oktober posted:

"Should educate people" is infuriating. The last 5 years AT LEAST in the UK, USA and others have shown that education is not the problem - people just want to believe a contrary stance because it makes them feel smart. Educating them to the reality isn't going to do poo poo.

Edit: Page number is the number.

Which people? Why those people in particular?

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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You can't just make laws without considering the reality of how our society chooses to enforce laws. And the reality is that the people with a platform who spread this stuff are not the kind of people who get prosecuted for the things they say. Do you really believe that Allison Pearson or Toby Young would ever see the inside of a prison cell for the covid denialist columns they write? Or even be charged?

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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OwlFancier posted:

Agreed that while combatting antivax ideas is important, the fact that coplord stamer can only solve problems by putting people in prison is loving stupid.

And, of course, citation loving needed on the "solves problems" part of this particular equation.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Dogatron posted:

Not all megaboomers are like this. I write this in defence of my father, born in 1944. He lives in a former council house with two other members of my family. His NHS pension is only slightly less than my monthly wage and he gets a state pension, a bus pass and all sorts of free poo poo. He also told me that for a short while, during the 50s to early 70s England was almost a socialist society and the only nostalgia he has is for that brief economic period.

Then OPEC.

He marched with CND, tried to storm the American Embassy in 1968 and then settled down and had kids. I write this to refute a blanket condemnation of working class boomers in council houses. Some of my uncles you would also write off as boomers in former council houses with their old National Coal Board pensions and memories of picket lines. They did achieve everything they have by their own hands and the miners before them.

I believe not one of them has ever voted Tory in their life and they are all despairing of the way this country is going. So you can gently caress off with your blanket condemnation of an entire generation.

Having to preface every mention of a generation that overwhelmingly votes Conservative with "the vast majority of" is just as tedious as having to say "in my opinion" before expressing what is obviously an opinion. We've all seen the demographic voting breakdown, we've seen the small red blip at the end of the bar chart. What you're doing here is no different to Not All Men.

Also lol at still going for the "achieved everything by their own hands" bollocks. Built those council houses themselves did they? No one in this country has achieved everything they have by their own hands, that's literally the loving point of society.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1347590552863305728

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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stev posted:

Wasn't he made aware of the danger in September?

The official line is that the new strain was discovered in October. Once they knew about it, they found it in samples taken in September, so that's accepted as when it showed up. At some point between October and December, they worked out that it was more transmissible. The Tory line is that the government was briefed on the nature of the new strain on the morning of the 18th, and if that's not true then no one involved has been willing to break ranks.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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It's possible, but at the time of the "Christmas is cancelled, sort of" announcement the general sentiment was of something politically convenient being pulled out of the bag at the last moment.

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Nov 25, 2013

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Right, but I at least got that impression because in the Commons the week before I'm *certain* Hancock used it as justification for the massive spike in London, and at the time it seemed like a convenient lie to excuse them putting London in T2 despite still having some of the highest numbers in the country.

You're probably right, there's too much history happening too fast for me to keep up

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Nov 25, 2013

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Right, but I at least got that impression because in the Commons the week before I'm *certain* Hancock used it as justification for the massive spike in London, and at the time it seemed like a convenient lie to excuse them putting London in T2 despite still having some of the highest numbers in the country.

14 December according to this

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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The bigger worry is when we hit 12 weeks from people's first jab and they're way behind their target (which they will be), will they use that to justify giving more first doses and delay the second even further?

Then after that's dealt with, we run into the fact that phase one ends after everyone over 50 has been vaccinated, which by pure coincidence is the age bracket below which demographic voting patterns break in Labour's favour.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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What percentage of a thread's posters do you have on ignore before you wash your hands of the whole burning pile of garbage altogether. You know, hypothetically speaking.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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The Social Dilemma is interesting if you want to know what the inside of Carole Cadwalladr's brain looks like

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Communist Thoughts posted:

Yes it would be. Its not the same sorry.

Can you elaborate? I'm genuinely interested, not trying to set up some gotcha. Seems necessary to be clear given the current thread climate

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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If there's two candidates splitting the left vote, why would there even need to be smears? Just shooting themselves in the foot.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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I'm sure Facebook and Twitter are terrified of being subject to our legendarily strict newspaper regulations.

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Nov 25, 2013

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kecske posted:

Plinkey has run the cspam goon benevolent fund, patreon and all, for years and receives and hands out not-insignificant sums of money all the time without a Constitution - is there some reason all that business is needed to run one here?

Do the live in the UK and do it using a UK bank account? If so they're opening themselves up to some pain if they get audited

I also vote Aye on Resolution 1.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Endjinneer posted:

I had this but with 9,000 miles/10,000 miles per year. One of the advantages of price comparison websites is that it's way easier to optimise these sorts of things. The voluntary excess is another one that benefits from experimentation.

A word of warning: insurance companies log quote attempts through comparison sites against your IP address. So fiddling with stuff like mileage and voluntary excess is no issue, but if you start messing around with quotes at lots of different postcodes, changing whether or not your car is modified, adding and removing past claims, then that all gets recorded and they may use that against you if you take the policy and then make a claim.

source: used to work in an insurer's counter-fraud dept :guillotine:

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Nov 25, 2013

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Borrovan posted:

I bought a car with a cheap parking sensor attached & after getting my quotes went outside & ripped it out to get the better deal, am I going to jail?

Non-performance mods don't tend to matter.

With modifications it tends to work like this: you make a claim, the insurer gets your car into one of their garages who report back that your car is modified. If you didn't declare it, your policy can be made void back to inception, but if they can prove you lied on purpose they don't have to refund your premiums. Entering different quotes with and without mods can be used as proof you knew about them but lied for cheaper premiums

Evidence I have used to prove deliberate misrepresentation of modifications:

- trying lots of different quotes with or without mods
- forum or social media posts under an account linked to the same email address as the quote, talking about the mods on the car
- the fact that the insured was a lecturer in automotive engineering but claimed not to know what an aftermarket air filter was

Tarnop fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 11, 2021

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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stev posted:

To add to this, if they can't prove you lied deliberately there's a good chance you'll still get something out of the claim and keep the policy, they'll just adjust your premium to what it should be and pay a proportional settlement (eg if you paid half of what you should have they'll pay half the claim).

They'll usually be able to prove if it's deliberate though via the aforementioned IP tracing so it's not worth the risk.

I worked for an insurer that didn't offer quotes at all on modified cars, so the policies would get voided because there was no level of premium where we would offer cover. If there had been, then you're right, insurers are obliged to offer to correct the policy and charge the difference in premium.

In the case of heavily modified vehicles, there were almost always forum posts to prove that it was deliberate.

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Nov 25, 2013

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

We are enemies now.

I'm sorry (I know you're kidding but I do feel bad for being part of the problem)

Working there destroyed me mentally, insurers are cunts, and I'm glad I'm out. I'm posting this stuff because I don't want anyone here to get caught out by insurers' lovely tricks.

Also, complain. Complain about anything that even slightly inconveniences you. Don't be a Karen, don't take it out on some poor abused call centre worker, but make it clear that you want to make a complaint whenever you're not happy, and escalate that poo poo as far as it will go. Complaints handlers, more than anything, dislike dealing with people who yell and have no idea what they want to resolve the complaint. So do everything you can to stay as calm as possible and go in with an idea of what would be a good outcome for you.

If they don't deal with your complaint then you can take it to the Financial Ombudsman Service . Insurers hate the ombudsman service, and every complaint that is escalated to them costs the insurer around £400. This is how the FOS is funded, so when an insurer tries to lowball you with a compensation offer, bear that in mind. A lot of insurers' worst behaviours are altered by repeatedly losing cases with the ombudsman, so by doing this you might be making things better at a level that helps a lot of people.

My PMs are open if anyone ever needs advice with this stuff.

Tarnop fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jan 11, 2021

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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stev posted:

It's £650 now. :ssh:

Do not under any circumstances quote that to your insurer and ask them for £600 to avoid it going to them though. You'll look like a loving prick and will be laughed away.

Yeah, should have included this in my post. If you let on that you know, insurers will eat the cost just so that you gently caress off and don't post "one weird trick" on every forum you can find. Just know that when they offer you a £25 voucher with one of their preferred suppliers, they can do much better

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