the movie the wwitch is pretty sick
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# ? May 5, 2024 03:06 |
it's got the big eyed lady from queen's gambit in it
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 17:48 |
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Admiral Ray posted:one of the interesting things to me about witchcraft is how gendered it is. at least in the Americas and Europe it seems like it's highly associated with women, but that may just be due to Christian cultural flattening and genocide. it seems appropriate to say that the shamanistic beliefs would also be considered witchcraft, much the same as many of the other pagan beliefs and systems were. still, it would be weird to say that shamans are witches. There is actual blood ritual and belief systems based around it but the the perception of it as it is now is also a bit uncharitable for obvious reasons. The central underpinning of the aztec flower war style sacrifice was that with royal bloodletting and heart sacrifice of war captives the victim was rejoining their energy with the sun, improving quality of life for everybody. It's interesting to me and I learned a lot about it ages ago. The priesthood were of course wiped out by the Christian priesthood the conquistadors brought with them but theres a lot of parallels to their kind of blood worship and christian rite and tradition in terms of repaying a sacrifice of life the gods gave to us.
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 17:59 |
nice meltdown thread
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:00 |
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just lol if you don't drink Christ's literal blood at least every weekend
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:05 |
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god drat what I wouldn't give to have absolute fuckin sicko freaks like the podesta brothers throw gigantic sacks of money at me for making GBS threads out this sort of stream of consciousness drivel on an old timey typewriter and getting it posted up at the moma or whatever. absolutely incredible grift.
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:09 |
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:god drat what I wouldn't give to have absolute fuckin sicko freaks like the podesta brothers throw gigantic sacks of money at me for making GBS threads out this sort of stream of consciousness drivel on an old timey typewriter and getting it posted up at the moma or whatever. absolutely incredible grift. Yeah the fine arts world is basically an exclusive club now (arguably always has been) and the best way to make it as an artist is to either be related to someone with connections or hook up with someone with connections. Your level of actual skill and talent is maybe 10% of the total, and that 10% is getting the interest of someone with connections if you don't already have them
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:15 |
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Kit Walker posted:Yeah the fine arts world is basically an exclusive club now (arguably always has been) and the best way to make it as an artist is to either be related to someone with connections or hook up with someone with connections. Your level of actual skill and talent is maybe 10% of the total, and that 10% is getting the interest of someone with connections if you don't already have them Yeah its very focused on auction houses and dealers and your relationship with both. Satchii has made a killing uplifting new talent like damien hirst and getting exclusive first pick contracts to store in a warehouse until its time to profit. The 12 Million Dollar Stuffed Shark is an interesting book although I don't recommend it if you want to make art your career cause even without an eye towards that level of fame its pretty depressing.
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:18 |
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Kit Walker posted:Yeah the fine arts world is basically an exclusive club now (arguably always has been) and the best way to make it as an artist is to either be related to someone with connections or hook up with someone with connections. Your level of actual skill and talent is maybe 10% of the total, and that 10% is getting the interest of someone with connections if you don't already have them fine arts is part of money laundering on a scale never before seen in art history
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:19 |
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also it's always good to remember the CIA basically created the modern art ecosystem as part of their propaganda war against the Soviets. It is and always has been worthless imperial capitalist bullshit.
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:23 |
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Sharkopath posted:There is actual blood ritual and belief systems based around it but the the perception of it as it is now is also a bit uncharitable for obvious reasons. The central underpinning of the aztec flower war style sacrifice was that with royal bloodletting and heart sacrifice of war captives the victim was rejoining their energy with the sun, improving quality of life for everybody. It's interesting to me and I learned a lot about it ages ago. i'm not sure how much we can draw from that, tbh, since the Aztecs were basically a post-apocalyptic civilization that suffered from civilization ending plagues, famine, and civil war. the conquistadors were as successful as they were because they arrived while the Aztecs -- and other indigenous societies -- were barely hanging on. in that context human sacrifice makes some sense because they were so desperate, but i don't really believe that human sacrifice -- unless it was a war captive and even then i'm still somewhat skeptical -- was a central part of their non-crisis belief system. that's an internal bias of mine, tho, because frankly human sacrifices are extremely goddamn wasteful. a cow or pig or whatever, sure, but a human? lotta stuff that human could be doing instead of bleeding out on top of a pyramid. the popular conception of Aztecs is that they just chopped people open willy nilly with no thought to the greater logistical issues that causes (thanks Mel Gibson, you loving racist hack) which seems awfully convenient for the conquistadors. there's some parallels with the christian and jewish blood rituals, but there's a bit of historical context there that we don't have with the Aztecs since the conqies destroyed their history. judaism is an outgrowth of a polytheistic religion with a specific god winning out and eventually becoming the only god, so there's all kinds of rumors and poo poo about the other contenders. some, like the baby sacrifices to moloch, read a bit like exaggeration to me. part of that is because moloch is essentially the ancient hebrew way of mocking someone's god, basically the spongebob meme of the god's proper name. the other part is that judaism still demands human/blood sacrifices, but just the tip, in order to continuously solidify the pact with god. pretty good deal compared to the baby/child sacrifice that moloch was said to have demanded or what yahweh apparently asked of Abraham at first. christians, of course, have the weird as hell "blood of christ" thing and the eucharist, as well as a bunch of them performing circumcision despite it being unnecessary for their deal. the self-flagellation rituals of some christian sects and Shia islam are also blood sacrifices, but in terms of enduring pain and suffering as proof of devotion. devotion ain't useful if you're dead. now though, people don't react to those as blood rituals, even tho they are, and don't associate them with witchcraft. they are too embedded in the cultural practices of our day so even if someone thinks they're hosed up and weird (self-flagellation is controversial to say the least), they aren't seen as spiritually heinous in the same way witchery is. to some degree this may be due to sexist belief systems -- these religions are all extremely patriarchal -- , but overall i think it's just because they are familiar to us. Pentecoastal Elites posted:god drat what I wouldn't give to have absolute fuckin sicko freaks like the podesta brothers throw gigantic sacks of money at me for making GBS threads out this sort of stream of consciousness drivel on an old timey typewriter and getting it posted up at the moma or whatever. absolutely incredible grift. yeah podesta's brother paid $10k through kickstarter to have a dinner with her. fun fact, tho, one of the other $10k tier rewards was this: amazing grift. the kickstarter page is even still up, so you can see what she was selling.
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:44 |
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:also it's always good to remember the CIA basically created the modern art ecosystem as part of their propaganda war against the Soviets. It is and always has been worthless imperial capitalist bullshit. this is always the dumbest take and ignores early soviet art
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:46 |
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lissitkzy and malevich ftw
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:47 |
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the CIA obviously didn't create all nonrepresentational or experimental forms of art but they did absolutely fund and develop, like I said, the modern art ecosystem. In America, which doesn't really matter because after the cold war it exists exclusively as a vehicle for the world's ultrawealthy to launder their money, like Marzzle said e: in rereading my post I guess I should make clear that I don't mean it to be read as saying like "only soviet realism counts as Real Art", or whatever Pentecoastal Elites has issued a correction as of 18:57 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:the CIA obviously didn't create all nonrepresentational or experimental forms of art but they did absolutely fund and develop, like I said, the modern art ecosystem. In America, which doesn't really matter because after the cold war it exists exclusively as a vehicle for the world's ultrawealthy to launder their money, like Marzzle said yeah there's a book about this that i've been meaning to read called Think Tank Aesthetics.
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 18:57 |
those dots connect to budd hopkins and his less artistic workings on the world
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:02 |
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Admiral Ray posted:yeah there's a book about this that i've been meaning to read called Think Tank Aesthetics. this looks dope from what I just read and im going to get it. where did you hear about it?
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:03 |
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gay_crimes posted:this looks dope from what I just read and im going to get it. where did you hear about it? the epstein thread lol
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:04 |
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oh poo poo i guess i should read all cspam threads always and all day
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:05 |
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Admiral Ray posted:i'm not sure how much we can draw from that, tbh, since the Aztecs were basically a post-apocalyptic civilization that suffered from civilization ending plagues, famine, and civil war. the conquistadors were as successful as they were because they arrived while the Aztecs -- and other indigenous societies -- were barely hanging on. in that context human sacrifice makes some sense because they were so desperate, but i don't really believe that human sacrifice -- unless it was a war captive and even then i'm still somewhat skeptical -- was a central part of their non-crisis belief system. that's an internal bias of mine, tho, because frankly human sacrifices are extremely goddamn wasteful. a cow or pig or whatever, sure, but a human? lotta stuff that human could be doing instead of bleeding out on top of a pyramid. the popular conception of Aztecs is that they just chopped people open willy nilly with no thought to the greater logistical issues that causes (thanks Mel Gibson, you loving racist hack) which seems awfully convenient for the conquistadors. I thought I read somewhere that the other civilizations were more than willing to assist the conquistadores when they first arrived in no small part because everyone was so fed up with the Aztec's poo poo. Or did I make that up?
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christmas boots posted:I thought I read somewhere that the other civilizations were more than willing to assist the conquistadores when they first arrived in no small part because everyone was so fed up with the Aztec's poo poo. Or did I make that up? Nah u right. cortes did leverage internal conflicts as well to stop from getting massacred. i also got it mixed up, i had thought the timeline went smallpox -> cortes -> civil war but it was cortes -> stoking civil war -> small pox -> more civil war.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:the CIA obviously didn't create all nonrepresentational or experimental forms of art but they did absolutely fund and develop, like I said, the modern art ecosystem. In America, which doesn't really matter because after the cold war it exists exclusively as a vehicle for the world's ultrawealthy to launder their money, like Marzzle said amerikan abstract expressionism is not 'the modern art ecosystem'
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:33 |
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Admiral Ray posted:i'm not sure how much we can draw from that, tbh, since the Aztecs were basically a post-apocalyptic civilization that suffered from civilization ending plagues, famine, and civil war. the conquistadors were as successful as they were because they arrived while the Aztecs -- and other indigenous societies -- were barely hanging on. in that context human sacrifice makes some sense because they were so desperate, but i don't really believe that human sacrifice -- unless it was a war captive and even then i'm still somewhat skeptical -- was a central part of their non-crisis belief system. that's an internal bias of mine, tho, because frankly human sacrifices are extremely goddamn wasteful. a cow or pig or whatever, sure, but a human? lotta stuff that human could be doing instead of bleeding out on top of a pyramid. the popular conception of Aztecs is that they just chopped people open willy nilly with no thought to the greater logistical issues that causes (thanks Mel Gibson, you loving racist hack) which seems awfully convenient for the conquistadors. That seems like a really poor and pop-history revisionist reading of Aztec culture to me since they were a powerful empire that existed for a long time and codified the flower wars over generations. The amount and nature of the sacrifice is misunderstood in popular understanding but we have records of its existence and importance to both aztec culture and the earlier, bordering mayan culture.
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:39 |
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Admiral Ray posted:the epstein thread lol did not know "think tank aesthetics" touched on stuff like this I assumed it was just something along the lines of "programmed to kill"
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:43 |
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it ain't easy distilling book recs from the epstien thread
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 19:43 |
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gay_crimes posted:oh poo poo i guess i should read all cspam threads always and all day
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 21:45 |
my offbrand pop tart had frosting stigmata this morning. have i been breakfast hexed?
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# ? Jan 6, 2021 21:49 |
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https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/1347002063847243776?s=20 US democracy is witchcraft
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# ? Jan 7, 2021 03:10 |
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Sharkopath posted:That seems like a really poor and pop-history revisionist reading of Aztec culture to me since they were a powerful empire that existed for a long time and codified the flower wars over generations. The amount and nature of the sacrifice is misunderstood in popular understanding but we have records of its existence and importance to both aztec culture and the earlier, bordering mayan culture. i have not take a course on it so you are likely very correct in your estimation.
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# ? Jan 7, 2021 03:11 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/1347002063847243776?s=20 obviously, that's why there's no documented evidence of it working lmfao
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# ? Jan 8, 2021 13:41 |
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Truga posted:obviously, that's why there's no documented evidence of it working lmfao This is a frankly absurd claim. The US Gov't works extremely well.
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# ? Jan 8, 2021 13:51 |
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please, he said democracy not govt
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# ? Jan 8, 2021 14:01 |
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carry on then
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# ? Jan 8, 2021 14:07 |
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your body is a democracy
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# ? Jan 8, 2021 17:07 |
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# ? May 5, 2024 03:06 |
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it's all true
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# ? Jan 10, 2021 16:34 |