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Now that it's over it feels weird NOT checking this thread every morning after 10 months. I was a bit disappointed by the ending as well, I was hoping the ending storylines would have more impact than just numbers. I was expecting there to be a final dilemma deck built out of the storyline endings based on which endings we got (do we emply the Silver Mallet against the Black Dawn, help/betrayal from the Gatekeepers, help directly from US via Face Book, etc.)
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Bellmaker posted:Now that it's over it feels weird NOT checking this thread every morning after 10 months. 
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Oct 21, 2021 18:06
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That Italian Guy posted:This would have been a bit complicated to implement, considering that there are more than 20 potential endings for the main storylines and some of them are wildly different than what we got...this means taking into consideration quite a lot of potential combinations! As I mentioned before, different choices would have led to the Silver Mallet never being founded and Celestina as Eternal Queen You could probably do it, though. Just have a 'red envelope' for each possible ending card and have the game tell you to shuffle 'em all together for the endings you got.
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Quackles posted:You could probably do it, though. Just have a 'red envelope' for each possible ending card and have the game tell you to shuffle 'em all together for the endings you got.
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Oct 21, 2021 18:26
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That Italian Guy posted:Yeah but then you'll only have your ending reference 1 out of 6 storylines at random. Maybe I should elaborate. Like... so once the grand finale kicks off, open the correct six red envelopes and create a new Dilemma Deck. Then have 6 more rounds. Put the cards in the regular place in the tracker as they're resolved. Dunno exactly how dilemmas would work, but they'd give Cohesion and Dissent in addition to other benefits? IDK on exactly how to do this. Could be balancing gaining cohesion against Prestige, or Dissent against Crave. Then, once all the red envelope dilemmas are exhausted, use the calculator card to figure out whether the kingdom is in one piece.
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Oct 21, 2021 18:38
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Ah yeah that could work! By the way, I had made a boo boo and no one could post in their own Discord channel I've just unlocked everything for everyone so go wild!
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Oct 21, 2021 18:47
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Time for some brief epilogues. The seeds of family and unity that Edgarn and Laera planted so many decades ago grew into a tree of such magnificence and beauty that even the House of Cyfoeth, ever vocal extollers of its virtues, could scarcely believe possible. During the terrible crisis of the Black Dawn, Enkhali bravery was instrumental in defending the kingdom and the people. In the north, the Black Dawn crashed was found wanting aganist Enkhali warriors, as roots of blood and brotherhood held fast against the dark tide while branches of steel protected those who couldn't protect themselves. It is said that whenever an Enkhali child is in danger, one of their cousins from the Duchy of Coden will always be there in the nick of time. It is said that whenever a grandson needs counsel, a message from their distant grandmother will bring them a piece of Enkhal wisdom right when they need it.
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Oct 21, 2021 19:44
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 "At the last, death finally comes for me." And so the ancient, nobleman finally dies. Well, that was a different style of game. Wish there was a better of a balance of things, but it was fun.
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Oct 22, 2021 05:17
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Gang tags have been activated! Here they are:  House Lethe members should have automatically received a copy of the second one by now.
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Oct 22, 2021 22:54
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I've never been a prouder LP participant  Also seconding Bellmaker's statement that it feels weird not checking this thread first thing every day.
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They've announced The Queen's Dilemma, but not much in the way of details. Hopefully it'll work on some of the weaker elements of The King's Dilemma. This is what they've said, apparently (that and it's set in Ankist so, yeah, the current peace is definitely temporary): quote:Much of the gameplay of The Queen's Dilemma will be focused on a big map of the kingdom: players will take control of different regions, and manage them. There will be several resources to gather, with different uses, and players will be able to exchange them to construct buildings and other personal improvements. When my group played we definitely had less consensus at the end and there was a much closer cohesion/dissent balance.
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Oct 23, 2021 01:00
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malkav11 posted:They've announced The Queen's Dilemma, but not much in the way of details. Hopefully it'll work on some of the weaker elements of The King's Dilemma. Having an actual map would be better for more Diplomacy-like gameplay but worse at keeping friendships intact And thank you for the tag Quackles 
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Bellmaker posted:Having an actual map would be better for more Diplomacy-like gameplay but worse at keeping friendships intact I figured it out during the grand finale, you know. Quackles, but in a DM posted:I realized that what we were doing was playing f'ing Mario Party.
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Quackles posted:Gang tags have been activated! Here they are: These are great!
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Oct 23, 2021 08:02
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Epilogues, cont: There's an Ankistine Historian joke: "with judicious use of the gold from the Golden Temple, Ankist's Council led the kingdom into an economical golden age." That's it. That's the joke. Ankist was the first country in the world to abandon the gold (and/or other precious metals) standard for their currency, instead backing it by the full faith and credit of Ankist's government. As every economist in later years observed, it's not like there was any difference. Note: gimme a break the hell do I have to work with here, especially with how we treated wealth? Technically this is House Lethe's achievement but I'm shifting them to the Silver Mallet.  Despite the perennially empty treasury, famine is well forgotten in Ankhist, even amongst the poorest members of society, and the effect of other kind of disasters are mitigated by the presence of weak and strong Seers at figuratively every street corner. The Black Dawn thought they could recruit those left behind by the kingdom, the desperate, the unlucky and the destitute, but they found this well almost empty. Reviewing with the benefit of hindsight local documents from various towns and villages, it is quite clear that Ashers had begun preparing against the Black Dawn months and in some cases even a couple years in advance, unseen and unnoticed. Not even the strongest of Seers concsiously realized what they were preparing for, but well prepared they were nonetheless.
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Having more dilemmas affecting the houses directly seems like a great addition, yeah. After we were done with the secret house cheevos it felt a lot like there wasn't much incentive to vote one way or the other besides getting things in the right slider position for the current agenda (or the wrong position for whatever you figured the other houses had), and the actual thing the sliders measured didn't really enter into it that much. And once people got the cheevos for picking their preferred agendas, there wasn't ever much way to predict what the other houses had based on in-lore information. That said, it's very telling that we didn't get a single check on the "Knowledge lowest at the end of reign" cheevo. It really felt like all the dilemmas that involved knowledge were "hey you wanna discover a cool new thing?" vs "do nothing except kick a dog and also you get a negative sticker" Also loving the writeups Omobono!
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Oct 23, 2021 16:48
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Yeah, it would have been cool to have cards test the sliders. Maybe have up to three options, such as one always available, and one for a high / low position. Or you flip a card and "oh, you want to buy the farmers off? They only trust you and accept if they're on the positive scales. Otherwise they riot".
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Covski posted:Also loving the writeups Omobono!  Also I think the Devs agreed that there needed to be some extra impact to the choices, and the resource and map management that were mentioned as part as the sequel are probably going to address that. I am confident they'll make a good job, since so far both their games (Railroad Ink and this) have been personal faves of mine - they definitely shown that they have range in their game development toolkit since the two games couldn't be more different.
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C... posted:Yeah, it would have been cool to have cards test the sliders. Maybe have up to three options, such as one always available, and one for a high / low position. I fully expected one of the Seer King cards to have three options instead of the usual two, just to have him pushing the envelope again. Ah well.
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Y'know, I had a thought. What if you could make the two days the entire voting period somehow? Or the one day. For forum play. So the 'ante' style where everyone states their contributions publicly could still work. Have a day for negotiation, then a day for voting - and whatever's publicly pledged at the end of that goes. (With the assumption that to edit your public pledges is breaking the rules.) That might fix forum play of this game.
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Quackles posted:Y'know, I had a thought. What if you could make the two days the entire voting period somehow? Or the one day. For forum play. So the 'ante' style where everyone states their contributions publicly could still work. The problem is that you can't really do consecutive bets with "turns" (cause then people from a certain House need to be available at specific times); and you can't do a free for all open betting system cause then you run into eBay syndrome (where it's more convenient to bet at the very end of the voting window trying to sneak in the highest bid at the lowest power cost).
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I'd probably use a simulated auction system where each player just states their maximum limits. If I understand the base rules correctly, this solves most of the problems. (It does require a fair bit more bean counting per episode though) As an example: House 1 wants Aye, has a limit of 1 power. House 2 wants Aye, has a limit of 10 power. House 3 wants Nay, has a limit of 3 power. House 4 wants Nay, has a limit of 4 power. Assuming every house has to bet 1 power on their turn as long as their favoured option isn't winning, this ends up with 8 for aye and 7 for nay, all houses having bet up to their limit except house 2, which has spent 7 in total. I'm sure this runs into some other metagame issues, but it would make being on the winning side a lot less costly on average.
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Covski posted:I'd probably use a simulated auction system where each player just states their maximum limits. If I understand the base rules correctly, this solves most of the problems. (It does require a fair bit more bean counting per episode though) This is something I had actually considered, but that ran into the problem that the pools would be massive. Assuming 4 as the limit and 5 for 1 House, you would routinely get 20+ power in the pool assuming everyone wants the same option to win. The betting system we have used resulted in an average pool size that was closer to the one you see in the real game (because if someone is the chip master, they're still going to go high and scare everybody off - is is a tactic that often works irl games as well). The big difference is that compared to regular Poker, some houses that want the opposite option to win compared to the leader's chosen one good coordinator and do two to medium beds that would result India option to win without the leader being able to 2 to call or raise. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Epilogues, cont. Man, I am tired these few days.  There's a saying, that Ankistine science is a series of footnotes to Hysadora's works. The incredible influence of Hysadora the Wise Witch on the development of Ankistine knowledge cannot be underestimated. The most striking monument to Hysadora is without a doubt the Great Hospital in the Duchy of Olwyn. In this great complex funded by the kingdom, doctors and nurses work incessantly to heal their patients and continue to expand the limits of what is known about the human body, inspired by their great predecessor. Some historians have advanced the hypothesis that Hysadora was a defector from the Black Dawn, trying to guide Ankhist into surviving its future trials. The truth on this matter is probably lost forever, now just a matter between Hysadora and Mother's judgment. Note: I'm really curious why the spirit option would have caused dissent; unless by accepting Hysadora we locked in a cohesion ending.  The Silver Mallet was the shield that protected the innocent during the trying times of the Black Dawn. The organization demonstrated to be surprisingly resilient to Dawn infiltration, thanks to its dual martial and religious lines of command. After the Kingdom started to rebuild, the Silver Mallet expanded to assume the duties of the various guard organizations in the kingdom, judged less reliable after a significant part of their chain of command was revealed as traitors. The Silver Mallet adapted to its new responsibilities with their usual zeal, and they quickly became an organization that kept Mother's justice, protecting the innocent and delivering the accused to their fair judgment. Oversight of the religious half of the Mallet was given to the Duchy of Natar, well known for their adherence to the faith. The House of Lethe has since discharged their duty to the kingdom with honor and faith, ensuring that the Mallet never strayed from the path of Caertas, the Saint Daughter of Justice. OOC: good thing they called themselves the Silver Mallet, 'cause gold is worthless *gets burned by the Lethe Inquisition*
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I made a silly thing. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3983292 Come join us and discover what happened to Sebastien and other mysteries.
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 The reigning family's inspired madness didn't go away, and the council quickly assigned some scholars the duty to decipher the King or Queen's mad ramblings. Behind the Eagle's nest a Great Ash has fallen - King Orm the Unquenchable [ooc]Like that one, yes. Stay on your side of the fourth wall please.[/ooc] Queen Pacifica herself hadn't actually been murdered per se: she had acted on her visions and committed suicide about a month before the traitors' planned date, disguising her death as an act of the Dawn to force their hand before they were fully ready, dying for the sake of Ankist. The cards defining our reality were going to say she had been murdered, her survival was not, pardon the pun, in the cards - King Orm As for the Obviously, all people who read the Book become insane; some, however, also gain a spark of inspiration and a glimpse of the truths of reality allowing them to also achieve greatness. My successors will be the only ones to have it comparatively easy in the Book's labyrinth. No other walkthroughs allowed - King Orm __________________________ I think I'll do a last epilogue for Pinchay since they didn't get their narrative achievement.
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Age of Disorder, Chapter 1 TIG's note: the Queen's Dilemma had just launched its Kickstarter and they decided to tie in a CYOA event to the KS itself! So I've decided to lend my ear to the Council of Ankist - I will cast my backer vote according to the decision of the thread! It's also a nice way to get introduced to the Lore of the Queen's Dilemma. It's nice that they are not just repackaging the same game - it's still a GoT Diplomacy, but this time the whole game follows the reign of a single Queen and the players take the role of a cast of named characters, each with their own story and preferences. What is the Age of Disorder? It is a Kickstarter-exclusive event where you will shape the world and lore of Ankist through narrative dilemmas and tense voting sessions held in the campaign updates. The result of these votes will determine which stretch goal will be unlocked next… and which one will be lost forever! Join the event and take part in the creation of the world of The Queen's Dilemma!  quote:The king is dead.  quote:The weakness of the crown has made the Houses arrogant. Dark winds of war whisper between Tork and Wylio, as the two Marks are vying for control of the Tramp Hills at their border. Apparently, the people living in the hills consider themselves proud fighters, not sneaky Wylio merchants, and would like to join Tork. As the hills are rich in silver, Wylio strongly opposes such a change, and rumors say that Tork is about to attack Wylio to force the issue.
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Nay let these fool houses sort this out between themselves
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Between voting Ayaya and Nya, I must vote Nya. Tork seems cooler.
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Interesting to see these two get involved when they just happen to be two we didn't see. A coincidence, but a welcome one as a breath of fresh air. Either way, while speaking as an individual, this noble lady would assert Nay. Let the warriors join their kindred spirits if they see fit; I see no reason they cannot claim such a future for themselves, and the other end of the scale is a petty grievance over lost access to inflating a house's treasury.
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Nay! It is time for a new kind of kingdom, one of personal determination! The people there wish to be Tork, then Torkists they be.
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 NAY, let the people in the Hills decide for themselves Someone alert our treasurer to go contact Tork and draw a trade agreement for that silver  The early ship catches the morning wind, and Gambol is always early
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Aye, the Marquis of Tork has refused negotiation and wishes Dominion over lands not rightly theirs. Fie to them and their saber rattling, we should stand up for order.
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Nay I respect the will of the people that live there over the silver under their feet.
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Nay. Gotta love a good siege
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If there's one thing we should have taken away from the main game it's that our military is the one consistently competent and loyal aspect of our kingdom. I'll also point out that the Royal Cartographer has clearly already taken a side and put the contested area inside Tork borders. With an ailing monarchy it may be best to conserve the military for an external threat. I'll vote Nay for now but if any gold wishes to sway me I am open.
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Aye. We're not going to make a name for ourselves as a promising new leader by just sitting out of every conflict. Few leaders were ever remembered for the actions they didn't take.
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We are voting Nay and supporting Tork! May the will of KS bend to ours. NOTE: they said this is going to be a daily thing apparently, so I'm sending our vote now to avoid it being wasted, since Nay has a good lead. I'll see how the timings work in the next few updates and adapt accordingly.
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Age of Disorder, Chapter 2 Looks like KS is a cesspool of uncouth simpletons.  This means that the game will now contain a Riots of Tork event during the Age of Disorder expansion - that is a Kickstarter exclusive and will add extra events, cards and content to the game. quote:
 quote:A hunter found a large cave in the woods of the Royal Woods, just outside Lybra. Hoping for big game, like a great brown bear, they found something otherworldly and terrifying instead. Laying on a roughly sculpted rectangular rock were the remains of a girl, weirdly well-preserved and surrounded by an unpleasant metallic smell. The time has come to cast your vote. Choose one of the two options, AYE or NAY, then submit your votes/comments below this update!
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Not again!  Nay, tentatively.
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