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On reflection, my choice of name kinda sucks. As the first registrant of House Pinchay, which is the far superior name, I would like to retain my role as Sitting Councilman for the duration of my liege's reign. However, if someone else prefers the role and it is the will of my fellow members that they be seated, then for the sake of fairness, I would be willing to step down.
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malkav11 posted:Be careful about your decisions if you're not ready for a King's reign to end - just a couple of decisions that send stability in the same direction can end reigns if there's enough of a spike due to dilemma results and existing momentum. Momentum is a hell of thing and yes, I've seen Kings being toppled after 3 rounds of voting  EDIT: I've received council from nobleperson C... to raise the access level to the Sheets to "Commenter" from "Viewer". This way it should be easier for each House to ask questions/leave comments on certain details that are only accessible to them without a ton of mental gymnastic or 200 PMs. Please note that the thread is the default comms channel, so only use this to address specific queries/discussion objects that would be difficult to talk about in the main thread without a point of reference. I reserve the right to rever the access level to "Viewer" if this becomes the default way of communication though 
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Jan 7, 2021 17:37
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Senator of Ganmam Sir Grandalt Pinchay turns from his tea towards Blastinus. "I agree, Blastinus should be the sitting councilman of our house. He should be a fine enough guide for us and King Harald V."
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Jan 7, 2021 17:51
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Omobono posted:
 Hey, that's King Incident the V, now, our Lord. Best get used to it. I agree that Nea the Namer should represent us first. In terms of a deputy to assist in negotiations - perhaps the family member furthest in rotation from the sitting councilman should be our Navigator?
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Jan 7, 2021 17:58
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Gambol senator How about the next one in line for sitting councilmember*? This way they get a round of practice with the lower stakes decisions before playing with the big boys and girls? *which would be me right now and I suck at negotiating  Agenda: when we get our choice, I'd say to simply go with our most favored one (second favored if unavailable) since we're first pick. Nea the Namer can decide once the choices come in. Can we ask our sages to invent a spy-repellent spray? We got shark-repellent spray, you'd think spy repellent would be easier. E: Bargaining questions, are bargains always binding or only some (basically along Twilight Imperium 4 rules). Example, if party A gets paid X coins for a promise to vote with Y influence on a single future dilemma on party B's demand, can party A renege afterwards? Omobono fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jan 7, 2021 |
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Jan 7, 2021 18:18
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Next in line makes the most sense to me as Navigator, on the basis of wanting people to have a chance to "wake up" before being put in the hot seat. You think with all the money we've invested in spyglasses, we'd have a better time spotting spies.
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Jan 7, 2021 18:26
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 I will humbly accept the responsibility of being Sitting Councilman for the House of Lethis, unless my esteemed bretheren feel that this is not the will of the Mother. Furthermore, I propose that we follow the system of having the next in line be the negotiator, this being megane for this dilemma. Question for OP: I didn't see this mentioned, are the kingdom resources modified/reset in some way between reigns, or do they carry over as is? Covski fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 7, 2021 |
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Jan 7, 2021 18:36
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Although if C... wants the job because they're currently the furthest in play line that's also fine by me. We good with doing a turnover each dilemma, right? This way there's less lulls for everyone.
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Jan 7, 2021 18:39
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Omobono posted:
No rush, I can bide my time  Per-dilemma sounds good to me, unlike our crabbier Pinchay allies. Once they get a scrap of power into their claws, they hold onto it until death!
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Jan 7, 2021 18:45
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 Senator for House Cyfoeth, I'd be fine with a rotation between each dilemma, beginning with Danaru for our first sitting Councilmember. I hold no strong feelings regarding the position of negotiator, whether it be the same as our sitting Councilmember to consolidate their negotiating ability or for the next Councilmember in line. Alternatively, we can buck tradition and have our vote be democratically selected from inside our house, with the Councilmember making the proposal for the rest of the House's senators to approve. Note:This suggestion isn't necessarily practical as much as maximum chaos, I'm personally for a single empowered councilmember.
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Jan 7, 2021 18:49
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Senator for House Cynfoeth, rotation on each dilemma is the less complicated, plus gives me the most time before making any real decisions so I can
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Jan 7, 2021 19:00
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Sitting Councilperson (unless otherwise stated) of the House of Pinchay here. If it be the general will of this assembly, then I would be likewise willing to pass along my duties to the next in line at the conclusion of the present dilemma. I was under the initial impression that I would be locked in until the king's demise, so stepping down beforehand didn't occur to me.
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Jan 7, 2021 19:08
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Senator of House of Pinchay Sir Grandalt Pinchay nods at the suggestion. "It would give me an opportunity to make some suggestions to his majesty. I am fine with that rotation."
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Jan 7, 2021 19:19
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Blastinus posted:
Each house does what they want with their succession, it's not an assembly thing.
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Jan 7, 2021 19:38
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 Olywnians, as interim sitting councilperson by lieu of "First!", I hereby suggest that we maintain that methodology & just go in the present order, rotating each dilemma, unless someone wants to shuffle ranks, including my own! I'll go not first if somebody else wants it.
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Jan 7, 2021 19:51
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oldskool posted:
Fine for you to go first and just to follow the order in our Excel sheet. That Italian Guy: Any chance you can add a new tab to the Excel sheets labelled "Legend" or similar that includes that very helpful special abilities key and the Realm Board / House Politics info?
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Jan 7, 2021 20:30
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Covski posted:
~The Great Mother~ cares more about our results than our arrangements to fulfill Her Will, so there will be no issue with this decision.
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Jan 7, 2021 20:52
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Covski posted:Question for OP: I didn't see this mentioned, are the kingdom resources modified/reset in some way between reigns, or do they carry over as is? They reset to the middle point, and then are modified up or down based on ongoing factors like stickers or story cards. (But that doesn't affect starting stability, which is solidly in the middle.)
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Jan 7, 2021 21:03
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Bellmaker posted:~The Great Mother~ cares more about our results than our arrangements to fulfill Her Will, so there will be no issue with this decision. Agreed; this order is surely by the Mother's design. Otherwise she would not have made it so.
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Jan 7, 2021 21:09
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Senator for house Cynfoeth Yeah, it seems fine to just cycle the title
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Jan 7, 2021 21:42
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Bellmaker posted:
Yo mama so great, everyone in Ankist worships Her.
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Jan 7, 2021 22:04
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Well, if I've been elected I'll figure out a fun little duchess character and get ready to make decisions plots and plans once the selection is official.
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Jan 7, 2021 22:07
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oldskool posted:Olywnians, as interim sitting councilperson by lieu of "First!", I hereby suggest that we maintain that methodology & just go in the present order, rotating each dilemma, unless someone wants to shuffle ranks, including my own! I'll go not first if somebody else wants it. (Senator for House Olwyn)Sounds good, as long as we promise to try to listen to one another. Do we want to appoint a Treasurer? Also, do we want to discuss hidden agendas in public, or just tier them based on the House card? (hint, hint) BTW, from a mechanical perspective, when does the 'Star' ability on Achievements trigger? If you get it in one game, you get the benefit in the next game? Quackles fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jan 7, 2021 |
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Jan 7, 2021 22:30
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Quackles posted:BTW, from a mechanical perspective, when does the 'Star' ability on Achievements trigger? If you get it in one game, you get the benefit in the next game?
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Jan 7, 2021 22:57
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Blastinus posted:
Second Cousin Thrice Removed of House Pinchay: I agree with the sitting councilperson of House Pinchay. A rotation of the seat in order every dilemma should be fine, assuming that 'pass' is available in case of
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Jan 7, 2021 23:30
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^^^ Of course real life comes first, so as long as it's clear for everyone itt that there has been a passage of power I see no problem is skipping/replacing someone who is unavailable!Omobono posted:E: Bargaining questions, are bargains always binding or only some (basically along Twilight Imperium 4 rules). Covski posted:Question for OP: I didn't see this mentioned, are the kingdom resources modified/reset in some way between reigns, or do they carry over as is? TravelLog posted:That Italian Guy: Any chance you can add a new tab to the Excel sheets labelled "Legend" or similar that includes that very helpful special abilities key and the Realm Board / House Politics info? Quackles posted:Also, do we want to discuss hidden agendas in public, or just tier them based on the House card? (hint, hint) The Star symbol means "this bonus triggers at the start of each King's reign" (EDIT: and yeah, you only trigger Achievements completion at the end of a King's reign, during the scoring phase). There's a list of all symbols in one of my latest posts, but I'll also copy that to each House's sheet soon. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 7, 2021 |
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That Italian Guy posted:If two Houses are in disagreement on the way an accord has been fulfilled, the current Moderator will decide on the matter. Of course, the Moderator can be swayed...If the Moderator is part of one of the Houses in dispute, the King (me!) will decide. The King is notoriously weak willed, though, and will always side with the party offering the largest amount of Coins to influence him. Btw, there is a bargaining section in the OP, in case of doubts Saying you'll ALWAYS side with whoever pays you the most actually seems problematic now that I think about it. For example, House A is the current Moderator, then posts "Deal to accept payment of 20 coins from House B in return for (insert action House A was going to do anyway) accepted". House B objects because they made no such deal, but House A pays "the King" 10 coins to resolve in their favor (they don't even need evidence?). Either House B has to live with it, losing 20 coins while House A gains 10 after their bribe, or they can pay a higher bribe still losing a high amount of coins while House A isn't penalized at all. Then House A just goes and does it again and again to other houses bankrupting everyone (and since they're the richest house, they become Moderator each turn even if other houses try for it). This example is kind of absurd and it would be really obvious what they're doing to everyone but the rule says you're going to side with whoever bribes the most no matter what. Can't you just enforce the deals yourself without bribes (have a rule against editing "deal posts" just in case)? whitehelm fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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Jan 8, 2021 00:49
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Well I would have to receive a screenshot with an officer of House B agreeing with the absurd proposal of House A first, so this is probably a very marginal case to beign with (also the Moderator would have to be part of either House A or B). The OP has the "bargaining" rules that include the need to strike it itt and the need for a screenshot of the agreement to be sent to me for it to be valid. That said, we need some kind of objective method to decide such marginal cases; and "amount of Coins offered" is as objective as it comes - especially considering Coins are already part of a "spend them for bribes or save them for score" mechanic to begin with. EDIT: also to reiterate...by the normal rules of the game, if the agreement is "give X Coins > receive Y Power on the Aye for the current vote" or something like that (and it's concluded with valid proof), the agreement is automatically biding with no further discussion. I expect most people will only enter in agreements that are similarly automatically eforceable, so bribing the King is a marginalx2 case, imo. EDIT: spelling, clarifications. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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The king can intervene only after a bargain has actually been struck and there's a disagreement on execution when one of the parties is the current moderator. Considering all communications is supposed to happen in-thread anybody trying to fake a bargain is in for a bad time. As in, actual SA mod intervention because  in trying to cheat in a fun narrative game.(Which I fully expect to metaphorically lead to a lot of cut throats and stabbed backs but that's neither here nor there)
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Jan 8, 2021 01:07
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Yeah, if there's any backstabbing to do, it'll all be out in the open. Which I suppose makes it frontstabbing instead.
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oldskool posted:
I had meant to post much earlier that I was fine with the "default" order suggested by the king in these matters, including the role of treasurer staying with the sitting councilmember. I do have mechanics questions, mostly down to the differences between in-person and online play, I guess. So, achievements are secret until completely fulfilled, right? Since at that point they affect the overall game. However, in person, marking the boxes would be, well, a noticeable action, even if the achievement isn't fulfilled yet. I guess what I'm asking is if we'll have some notification when rival houses are making progress of some kind on their side of their house card, or if it's going to be a huge surprise to everyone else when House Daucus kicks down a fifth peasant while no-one else is looking and unlocks the secrets of immortality. (This is not an actual goal, it is a joke example)
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Oblivion4568238 posted:I do have mechanics questions, mostly down to the differences between in-person and online play, I guess. So, achievements are secret until completely fulfilled, right? Since at that point they affect the overall game. However, in person, marking the boxes would be, well, a noticeable action, even if the achievement isn't fulfilled yet. I guess what I'm asking is if we'll have some notification when rival houses are making progress of some kind on their side of their house card, or if it's going to be a huge surprise to everyone else when House Daucus kicks down a fifth peasant while no-one else is looking and unlocks the secrets of immortality. (This is not an actual goal, it is a joke example) They're screens, so it isn't obvious what you're marking and you always mark at least Prestige or Crave after a reign. And generally marking off a box for the hidden agenda you've selected unless you for some reason have to take one for the fifth time.
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What about bargains like "We'll pay you # coins in exchange for you voting our way on the next future vote that deals with [Influence] [military matters] [etc]"?
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Quackles posted:What about bargains like "We'll pay you # coins in exchange for you voting our way on the next future vote that deals with [Influence] [military matters] [etc]"? Since the dilemmas don't usually explicitly say what they're going to affect, just give general ideas I don't know how practicable those kind of deals would really be, also there'd likely need to be more stipulation in terms of Affirmative or Negative vote and for how much power when voting. Having a deal to vote a certain way on the next vote or something would probably work, but the wording doesn't usually explicitly what's going to change until after the dilemma is voted on.
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I think something like "we will vote Yea this time, as you've asked; in exchange, during the reign of this king, the next time we say Dragonfly you will abstain" is a totally fun and enforceable deal... if the king lives long enough for it to matter. E: reread the OP; favours for favours is not in favour. Something like "we'll abstain this round, but for the next three rounds if you don't vote with us you pay us a dollar", even? Lots of possibilities for fun, doable weirdness I feel. C... fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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Oblivion4568238 posted:So, achievements are secret until completely fulfilled, right? Since at that point they affect the overall game. However, in person, marking the boxes would be, well, a noticeable action, even if the achievement isn't fulfilled yet. Quackles posted:What about bargains like "We'll pay you # coins in exchange for you voting our way on the next future vote that deals with [Influence] [military matters] [etc]"? C... posted:Something like "we'll abstain this round, but for the next three rounds if you don't vote with us you pay us a dollar", even? And when I say "favour<>favour" is not possible as an agreement, I only mean in the specific game terms - you could strike one of these, but they are not binding or enforceable in any way (or: nothing stops you from saying to another House "if you abstain, we will do the same"...but it's just words. You can change your mind any time). That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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EDIT: moving to the start of the new page for visibility.
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Jan 8, 2021 10:18
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Question - so do we get to see where the resource tracks start at the start of a game before we pick hidden agendas? (I mean, I personally don't get to pick this round, but generally speaking.)
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Quackles posted:Question - so do we get to see where the resource tracks start at the start of a game before we pick hidden agendas? (I mean, I personally don't get to pick this round, but generally speaking.) Current Resources  EDIT: ah, also you should now be able to see a cheat sheet with the meaning of almost every symbol in the game in the second tab of your House Sheet! That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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Also: For purposes of keeping order, would it be possible to have a 'table of contents' in the OP that links to all the Dilemma cards and their resolutions as they are decided? (So there'd right now be one entry linking to card 0, celebrating the coronation of the king.)
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