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Silly Burrito posted:Alternatively, since everyone is expecting them to lose in the first round, the Saints are going to stomp through everyone en route to their second Super Bowl where they will beat Kansas City. Alvin Kamara will win SB MVP, Brees retires a champ and heads to NBC, and New Orleans has many unofficial parades since all the official Mardi Gras ones will be canceled. Alternatively Kamara dies of Covid and Brees gets his ribs crushed like a Mortal Kombat brutality
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mcmagic posted:You can't draft a QB 6 overall who is worse that Trubisky and be considered a great GM. He also had his pick of all 4 tackles in this year's draft and drafted the worst one. Wirfs and Becton both definitely look good but Andrew Thomas is looking good too. He had some down weeks but when he got it together he was looking worthy of the pick. I think the Joe Judge hire was great, the ODB trade worked out great, he hit on a bunch of picks besides Jones and Barkley (Lawrence, Carter, Hill, LeMieux, Slayton, Love, Ximines, Coughlin, Hernandez), signed a shutdown corner on a cheap deal, a great sign and trade for Leonard Williams, a pro bowl caliber LB in Martinez and a pretty good signing in Fackrell and Logan Ryan. They had a top ten defense and an offense that ranked 31st out of 32nd in points. Jones only had Alex Smith, Drew Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold behind him in QB rating. Jason Garrett was a poo poo rear end hire and Jones was a terrible pick. That alone would get most GMs fired but I think Gettleman has done enough to warrant a good GM label. If he can't fix the offensive woes, yea, can his rear end, but most teams would kill for the turnaround he's done so far.
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Grittybeard posted:I don't know if Gettleman should be fired, I do know that the burden of proof is on Daltos here because...well... The Giants getting Sudded may have broken him for good. *Has one okay FA period while loving up multiple early first round picks* This team.... they have a wealth of talent. Well they have Joe Judge whose cornier than a Bazooka Joe comic strip talking about the respect for the game so they got that I guess. They don't have wins in the worst division maybe ever but they can whine and white knight for the shield like NFL Champions.
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kiimo posted:Alternatively Kamara dies of Covid and Brees gets his ribs crushed like a Mortal Kombat brutality Taysom Hill Super Bowl MVP 
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2017: 3-13 2018: 5-11 2019: 4-12 2020. 6-10 Turn around?
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Ches Neckbeard posted:2017: 3-13 Only another decade to 16-0.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:2017: 3-13 Your team took 6 years to rebuild from Hue to present day. It takes time to develop and assemble talent.
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Doltos posted:Your team took 6 years to rebuild from Hue to present day. It takes time to develop and assemble talent. So you can look at that record and with a straight face still say Doltos posted:but most teams would kill for the turnaround he's done so far. Cause they were 11-5 before Eli finally broke. I don't see a turnaround in that record.
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Also they went 6-10 against a VERY easy schedule in the worst division in NFL history. Their whole "progress" this season is based on one trap game for the Seahawks.
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I hate defending the Giants, but their star player and offensive focus was out for the entire year. Barkley is the difference between making the playoffs and not. They’re still not a good team, but it’s a young team, and they’re not in salary cap hell like some other teams on that tier.
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Abugadu posted:I hate defending the Giants, but their star player and offensive focus was out for the entire year. Barkley isn't even our star player. He's a boom/bust RB that doesn't fit the offense at all. I think it's totally reasonable to lambast Gettleman for the Jones and Barkley pick up but to ignore all the other positive moves he's made is to turn into mcmagic or something equally as worthless.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:2017: 3-13 every now and then I get a little bit lonely And you're never coming 'round
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Now sure, he's hosed up on every single major decision he's ever had to make, but you gotta appreciate his work on the details. If we had somebody else, we might not have been able to reach 2nd place in the worst division in football. The important thing is that we finished better than the Cowboys.
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Doltos posted:Barkley isn't even our star player. He's a boom/bust RB that doesn't fit the offense at all. I think it's totally reasonable to lambast Gettleman for the Jones and Barkley pick up but to ignore all the other positive moves he's made is to turn into mcmagic or something equally as worthless. lol don't take it out on me.
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Doltos posted:Barkley isn't even our star player. He's a boom/bust RB that doesn't fit the offense at all. I think it's totally reasonable to lambast Gettleman for the Jones and Barkley pick up but to ignore all the other positive moves he's made is to turn into mcmagic or something equally as worthless. So what is he going to do to address the QB situation and what do you expect their record to be next season? Because if you don't think he'll have a winning record after five years...
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My teams marquee players were mistakes but my GM is still good.Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:So what is he going to do to address the QB situation and what do you expect their record to be next season? Because if you don't think he'll have a winning record after five years... 18, 19 and 20 were Gettleman years. Don't know why I included 17. Perspective maybe
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:So what is he going to do to address the QB situation and what do you expect their record to be next season? Because if you don't think he'll have a winning record after five years... Then you can him. I think he's gone no matter what because he missed the boat on the QBs. That's usually the death sentence for GMs and I doubt any draft talent will really turn Jones around, regardless if its Chase, Pitts, or Smith. Ches Neckbeard posted:My teams marquee players were mistakes but my GM is still good. You're not wrong. Prior to this year I was calling for Gettleman's head like the rest of them. He built a top ten defense through several decisions that other GMs probably wouldn't have been good enough to do though. That's intriguing. I just wish he wouldn't be allowed to draft offense outside of the line.
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Gettleman is a terrible gm because hes all about the body and potential and not about what's on film or between the ears and that ends badly. Quite often.
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I feel iffy calling John Lynch a good GM and he built a super bowl team from scratch in 3 seasons.
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The Texans have hired Nick Casiero, formerly of the Pats, to be their GM. Sorry Texans fans, looking like you're getting the Patricia/McDaniels redemption tour.
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Spoeank posted:I feel iffy calling John Lynch a good GM and he built a super bowl team from scratch in 3 seasons. He at least seems to be really good at finding players to fit the systems that his coaches run which in and of itself is pretty impressive. I know all GMs to this to an extent (well the ones that don't suck) but he and Shanahan kind of seem to just keep pulling guys they can plug in out of anywhere. That team was pretty loving dire too before he was hired. I'd definitely call him good.
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tarbrush posted:The Texans have hired Nick Casiero, formerly of the Pats, to be their GM. Matt Patricia is also a possibility. He's a defensive wizard and the Houston D looks really, really, bad.
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Hizawk posted:Matt Patricia is also a possibility. He's a defensive wizard and the Houston D looks really, really, bad. I feel cruel even thinking of that, given how generous the Texans have been to the Dolphins
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Spoeank posted:I feel iffy calling John Lynch a good GM and he built a super bowl team from scratch in 3 seasons. His fleecing of the Bears was artistic.
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Reading this story on the Athletic about Earl Thomas:quote:Harbaugh publicly supported Thomas in early May after TMZ reported about an altercation a month earlier in which Earl’s wife Nina pointed a gun at his head after she allegedly found him in bed with another woman. Quietly, team officials fumed that Thomas did not notify them of the embarrassing incident but instead took to Instagram to get ahead of the story. quote:Earlier this season, Houston expressed interest in Thomas. It was a move that made sense on paper, but things changed after the Texans and Ravens played in Week 2. Players from the two teams talked about Thomas after the game, and when word leaked that Houston had interest, Texans players reached out to then-coach Bill O’Brien and the front office to tell them they didn’t want to play with Earl Thomas. https://theathletic.com/2300975/2021/01/06/earl-thomas-iii-where-seahawks-ravens/
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There's a lot of discourse about this play online and I don't care about any of it, I just find it very funny https://twitter.com/_rone/status/1345944919895105537
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Also FO finished DVOA for 1983, which is only important in that it finally gives us Marino's rookie season and to no surprise: https://twitter.com/FO_ASchatz/status/1346841589826654208
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From the eye test and my faulty memory I don't remember Ben's rookie season being all that impressive. I mean he won all the time, but I didn't feel like it was him winning so much as maintaining a platform that allowed the rest of the team to get the job done.
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Same, I remember him being adequate and the team relying on their running game and defense.
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Grittybeard posted:From the eye test and my faulty memory I don't remember Ben's rookie season being all that impressive. I mean he won all the time, but I didn't feel like it was him winning so much as maintaining a platform that allowed the rest of the team to get the job done. It was 2004, so everyone was absurdly efficient, but yeah, Ben's thing as a rookie was that he could just complete 15 yard passes at will, then they'd get into the red zone and Bettis would rush 7 consecutive times to eventually maybe score.
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Kalli posted:It was 2004, so everyone was absurdly efficient, but yeah, Ben's thing as a rookie was that he could just complete 15 yard passes at will, then they'd get into the red zone and Bettis would rush 7 consecutive times to eventually maybe score. Or fumble at the 1
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Kalli posted:Also FO finished DVOA for 1983, which is only important in that it finally gives us Marino's rookie season and to no surprise: DVOA is stupid
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a neat cape posted:DVOA is stupid
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Grittybeard posted:From the eye test and my faulty memory I don't remember Ben's rookie season being all that impressive. I mean he won all the time, but I didn't feel like it was him winning so much as maintaining a platform that allowed the rest of the team to get the job done. That was back at the beginning of his running around in the pocket and shrugging off defenders until Burress or Ward uncovered. It was undefendable for years
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Kalli posted:It was 2004, so everyone was absurdly efficient, but yeah, Ben's thing as a rookie was that he could just complete 15 yard passes at will, then they'd get into the red zone and Bettis would rush 7 consecutive times to eventually maybe score. Also because of how good their defense and running game were, Ben threw a lot less than other QB. IIRC, I want to say his record in games where he had 25 or more pass attempts his first few years was atrocious until Santonio Holmes started showing up around 2008 and their second run.
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