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I'm the guy that loses a few pass line bets and then plays the dark side to spite everyone and ends up losing there too.
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AHH F/UGH posted:Actually it's great fun to be the Don't Pass player because who cares, gently caress em, if they don't like it they can leave I mean, I honestly don't care if someone is playing don't pass or not, it's just less fun. It's the same reason I'll make some place bets or hardways even though the odds are worse. I'd rather maximize the fun than maximize the odds. If I wanted to maximize the odds I'd stay home. TheReverend posted:I'm the guy that loses a few pass line bets and then plays the dark side to spite everyone and ends up losing there too. This however is a noble sacrifice
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Jan 14, 2021 06:14
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Does anyone ever set up informal, low stakes games with friends? We are getting older so its rare these days but once a year or so if we have a rowdy house party going on, we will set up a game. We keep it super simple, first roll same as a casino, set the point, and then roll till its hit or a bust. And then to keep the game moving and action involved, we mandate any bet has to be matched, so if I put $2 on the shooter, the group needs to pony up $2 total. Keeps more people invested and hooting and hollering as they root for/against the shooter over relatively low stakes. Also super easy to get partners and other less rowdy people to have a few rolls as the shooter.
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Jan 14, 2021 16:51
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Jose Valasquez posted:I mean, I honestly don't care if someone is playing don't pass or not, it's just less fun. It's the same reason I'll make some place bets or hardways even though the odds are worse. I'd rather maximize the fun than maximize the odds. If I wanted to maximize the odds I'd stay home. This is basically my logic. I will play the hell out of the Don't if I'm at a bubble craps machine though, and sip on my drink while commiserating with them when another 7 out is rolled
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Jan 14, 2021 20:08
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Does anyone ever set up informal, low stakes games with friends? We are getting older so its rare these days but once a year or so if we have a rowdy house party going on, we will set up a game. When we were teenagers, we used to gamble by rotating which friend in the group got to be the 'house' that night -- we'd play blackjack, craps, whatever and yes the house usually won. We probably bet more than we should have at that age, but money passed around and debts were sacred in my friend group and there was never any fights over honoring them. Often they were just rotating "person X owes person Y $Z" balances in a notebook that were claimed  or a pizza at a time. All was well.Then one night the kid (who probably could least afford it) dealt craps and the players had a hot night and got up literally thousands of dollars on him, at a time when we were all working stuff like $6/hr grocery and fast food jobs in high school. It was super awkward and we just sort of changed the subject and started playing Mario Kart 64 and never really spoke of it or gambled in that way again. We're all still buddies to this day. e: The fondest degenerate gambling moments in that friend group were betting on CPU vs CPU games of NES Tecmo Super Bowl. You could set both teams and it would sim out a football game (with ridiculous NES dice roll/RNG playcalling and fumbling). I still miss swearing at a 13" TV because QB Eagles made threw an interception and cost me 5 dollars. Pakistani Brad Pitt fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Jan 14, 2021 20:15
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ive never played craps. Do people who play the pass line actually become "that guy" at the table? Do people cast aspersions
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Jan 14, 2021 20:32
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Alan Smithee posted:ive never played craps. Do people who play the pass line actually become "that guy" at the table? Do people cast aspersions Nah man, playing the Pass line is essentially being on the side of the shooter. Yes, I called my friend a dick for playing Don't Pass when I was shooting, but I did it with a smile on my face... and also 7'd out in like two rolls.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:36
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You guys are saying playing don’t pass can be a faux pas just because you’re casting doubt on the shooter, right? Like it doesn’t actually work against the other players in a tangible way? Just curious. I’ve never played craps but I’m definitely going to whenever I can get to somewhere that has a table. Seems fun as hell.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:44
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Tetramin posted:You guys are saying playing don’t pass can be a faux pas just because you’re casting doubt on the shooter, right? Like it doesn’t actually work against the other players in a tangible way? Just curious. I’ve never played craps but I’m definitely going to whenever I can get to somewhere that has a table. Seems fun as hell. Yeah Don't Pass is basically rooting for all the other player's bets to fail. It's also the best odds at the table, so ironically, all the other players are rooting for the house to win, and you're the lone rear end in a top hat rooting against the house's interests. It's fascinating to me how the game is set up in such a way as to get the majority of the players (and the fun part of the game) aligned with the house's interest, while players who try to get the best odds are naturally positioned as the villain.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:49
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:This is basically my logic. I will play the hell out of the Don't if I'm at a bubble craps machine though, and sip on my drink while commiserating with them when another 7 out is rolled the little light flashes if you win so you cant pretend to be playing light side with them if they know
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Jan 14, 2021 20:50
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Tetramin posted:You guys are saying playing don’t pass can be a faux pas just because you’re casting doubt on the shooter, right? Like it doesn’t actually work against the other players in a tangible way? Just curious. I’ve never played craps but I’m definitely going to whenever I can get to somewhere that has a table. Seems fun as hell. Nah it's all just superstition. Nobody is having their bets altered due to the presence of a Don't Pass better. Leperflesh posted:Yeah Don't Pass is basically rooting for all the other player's bets to fail. It's also the best odds at the table, so ironically, all the other players are rooting for the house to win, and you're the lone rear end in a top hat rooting against the house's interests. It's fascinating to me how the game is set up in such a way as to get the majority of the players (and the fun part of the game) aligned with the house's interest, while players who try to get the best odds are naturally positioned as the villain. It's genius, really. Unless you actively pull your cash off the table while playing the Pass Line, you're pretty much guaranteed to end on a loss. Don't Pass clears your bets when you win, rather than lose
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Jan 14, 2021 20:51
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i'd say one of the biggest mistakes of craps is to constantly let bets ride until they're taken
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Jan 14, 2021 20:59
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The culture of craps is superstitious. If you ignore that, and you care at all what other people think (I do), you will feel weird playing the don’t or talking about how much you love the number 7.
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Jan 14, 2021 21:21
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I usually play the don’t pass because I like being stared at and then I will always play field bets. It’s fun hitting a few of those on a hot shooter.
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Jan 14, 2021 21:27
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bort posted:The culture of craps is superstitious. If you ignore that, and you care at all what other people think (I do), you will feel weird playing the don’t or talking about how much you love the number 7. the dice dont care what anyone believes
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Jan 14, 2021 21:41
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Tetramin posted:You guys are saying playing don’t pass can be a faux pas just because you’re casting doubt on the shooter, right? Like it doesn’t actually work against the other players in a tangible way? Just curious. I’ve never played craps but I’m definitely going to whenever I can get to somewhere that has a table. Seems fun as hell. It doesn't change anything, but craps is a very social game in that generally everyone is winning together or losing together which imo is what makes it more fun compared to something like Blackjack. It's only like a 0.01% difference in the house edge, so to me it isn't worth that small advantage to lose the camaraderie of the game
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Jan 14, 2021 21:45
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Jose Valasquez posted:It doesn't change anything, but craps is a very social game in that generally everyone is winning together or losing together which imo is what makes it more fun compared to something like Blackjack. It's only like a 0.01% difference in the house edge, so to me it isn't worth that small advantage to lose the camaraderie of the game exactly. the best part is you can go with all your friends, post up like 6 deep along the curve of the table, and then chill forever. as long as you don't prevent anyone from playing, the dealers are happy to let you just sit there and spend money on booze as long as you bet occasionally. so you can just root for your friends as they bet, jump in on a hot shooter for the fun of it, and then be the shooter yourself every 10-30 min. so yeah, betting against the shooter is just seen as anti-social, but most people don't really care that much. I personally can give a drat what someone on the other side of the table is doing as i am not superstitious. However a lot of craps players are, so bet the don't pass at your own risk
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Jan 14, 2021 23:00
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I haven’t played craps for real in a casino because it was too intimidating but I’d imagine there’s nothing worse than betting pass line and having the shooter crap out or roll a 2/3 like a few times in a row, betting don’t out of frustration, and seeing a come out 7 immediately. It’s like being in heavy traffic and moving to the lane that is going faster only for that lane to start moving slower the second you get there
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Jan 15, 2021 03:27
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While I do like me some regular Vegas Craps, I have to admit I am not that lucky at it anymore I feel. Though, that might be because I buy the numbers too much and get 7s on point. I dunno. I'll have to consider that Iron Cross though... never thought of it like that. Also, I would like to point out the Craps tables at Excalibur. Last I saw, you can buy 2/3/11/12 I think. I'm almost certain the larger buy selection has some dumb house advantage.
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Jan 15, 2021 04:54
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i'd say one of the biggest mistakes of craps is to constantly let bets ride until they're taken How do you decide when to take a bet off the table though?
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Jan 15, 2021 05:08
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I take my bets off when I feel like I've pushed my luck on a roll, after maybe three or four rolls after setting the point. There's always a 7 just around the corner
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Jan 15, 2021 05:15
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Ok, this thread is the first I’ve learned about actually playing craps and it sounds super fun to play. Blackjack and slots never clicked but I want to try craps now. Can you take any bets back or just certain ones?
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Jan 15, 2021 06:17
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Snack Bitch posted:Ok, this thread is the first I’ve learned about actually playing craps and it sounds super fun to play. Blackjack and slots never clicked but I want to try craps now. Can you take any bets back or just certain ones? Everything else can be turned off or taken down (even the odds on a Come bet). Don't Pass or Don't Come can be taken down anytime. Remember, too, that most bets are off on the come out. Places, hard ways, the odds on a Come bet - none are at risk from a come-out 7 unless you turn them on. Snack Bitch posted:How do you decide when to take a bet off the table though?
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Jan 15, 2021 06:42
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Snack Bitch posted:Ok, this thread is the first I’ve learned about actually playing craps and it sounds super fun to play. Blackjack and slots never clicked but I want to try craps now. Can you take any bets back or just certain ones? iirc (someone correct me if I'm wrong) but when craps or point is hit, at that time before a new point or new shooter you can take anything off that you want. Craps rules because 1. Street cred, tossin' bones, etc. 2. Some of the best odds in the casino 3. Generally lively atmosphere 4. A bunch of ways to play 5. Not played sullen, old-rear end degenerate gamblers like slots or smoking, pissed off tourists like baccarat Here's a good video showing some live craps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zNTZiEGFw
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Jan 15, 2021 06:50
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Also, not lotto bets like the Fire, Sharpshooter, Repeater or Feature (All/Tall/Small). Those can’t be taken down. Good video. If you’re a novice, watch where the dealers place the bets the shooter makes. Each box number will have three slots on the bottom and three slots on top, corresponding to the player in that position at the table. We got to page three without saying this: Don't bet late. It's rude and you put the dealer in the awkward position of having to book your bet or not. Once the stick person moves the dice to the shooter, keep your hands and chips on the rail. The post earlier on this page about placing 2, 3, yo & 12: that's called “crapless craps”. I don’t like it much, but it's a popular offshoot. Makes more money for the casino.
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Jan 15, 2021 06:58
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bort posted:We got to page three without saying this: Don't bet late. It's rude and you put the dealer in the awkward position of having to book your bet or not. Once the stick person moves the dice to the shooter, keep your hands and chips on the rail. Yeah that's why I put it in the OP to ask the dealer about how and when to bet. I got scolded a few times for trying to bet late, but the trouble is there's a very short amount of time in which to place new bets, so that's tricky for someone new to the game.
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Jan 15, 2021 07:20
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The unfortunate reality is that the more rolls per hour that happen, the more money the casino makes. The stick will try to move the game along. That’s a good reason to bet the pass only, or to maybe have a place out there too when you get started. It's easy to feel like you’re missing out when the numbers are hitting, but if you have less out there, there's less risk and you can play longer. One other tip: to bet Place bets, you put your chips in the Come area. Don’t put your hands in the box number area. Players can touch the Pass, Don’t Pass, Field, Come and Don't Come areas. Dealers place chips everywhere else. bort fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Jan 15, 2021 07:29
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Yeah the dealers and stickmen at the tables have everything down to virtual muscle memory so even though it looks complex, they'll get what you mean 99.999% of the time Usually you can just fling chips onto the table in the general area you want them and say where you want your bet and in what amounts and they're so one-with-the-game that they have no issue with a ton of complex bets coming in at once
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Jan 15, 2021 08:41
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bort posted:We got to page three without saying this: Don't bet late. It's rude and you put the dealer in the awkward position of having to book your bet or not. Once the stick person moves the dice to the shooter, keep your hands and chips on the rail. Jesus, this. Once I got it into my ADHD impulsive head to bet on any craps and was in the process of tossing my chips over to the stickman. A die in flight hit my hand and sure enough the shooter rolled a 3. The boxman said "no bet" while nearly dripping with contempt. I felt mortified.
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Jan 15, 2021 14:03
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I'm usually a pain in the rear end with my betting style in that I put up a lot of chips and then I'll turn the bets off after a few rolls but I'll always try to tip the dealers a fair amount for putting up with my poo poo
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Jan 15, 2021 15:04
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How come in some games you can bet directly on a number but other places you apparently have to place a come
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Jan 15, 2021 15:11
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life is killing me posted:How come in some games you can bet directly on a number but other places you apparently have to place a come A place bet is on a number, and the bet is on when the button is on. If that number is rolled, the bet pays, and a 7 loses. A come bet is a flat bet with the come out roll on the next roll. It otherwise behaves like the Pass line.
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Jan 15, 2021 15:32
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A small tidbit: you can play the game putting money wherever you want normally but if you're the shooter you have to have a pass or don't pass bet to shoot, else you'll pass shooter to the next player
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Jan 15, 2021 16:00
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The video and its sequels in the op are pretty cool. Craps looks like fun. What happens if your place bet is on 8 and the point is 6, they hit the six and on the next roll they hit the 8? the button thing will go to your 8 so where does your bet go?
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Jan 15, 2021 18:28
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ilmucche posted:The video and its sequels in the op are pretty cool. Craps looks like fun. they'll ask you where you want to move it. it can stay place 8 if you want it to but at that point if you want money on the 8 its better to put it as odds instead
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Jan 15, 2021 18:38
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oh, since the button goes to on then all the bets in those areas are free to be taken back right?
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Jan 15, 2021 18:45
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ilmucche posted:oh, since the button goes to on then all the bets in those areas are free to be taken back right? you can call back a place bet any time you want
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Jan 15, 2021 19:09
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Feel like this is pretty important for new / novice players but here is a list of common 'superstitions' and best practices to do/don't do at the craps table that can be considered bad luck and get you dirty looks at the table.
I'm sure I'll think of more later, been a while since I played. Snazzy Frocks posted:don't pass bet to shoot, else you'll pass shooter to the next player Also, I generally find it a professional courtesy if you're a don't player to just pass on shooting the dice. Fuck My Ass fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Jan 15, 2021 19:47
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the only way i could ever believe setting the dice would make a difference is if you stack it and lob it such that the bottom dice sticks in place when it lands but the dealers will know what the hell youre doing immediately
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Is there a good way to play craps online with friends while chatting over Discord or whatever? I know that Tabletop Simulator exists but it doesn't resolve rules at all and I've found that's kind of intimidating to new players.
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