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It'd be neat to get an idea of the audience of PITR, and what level everyone is playing it. I think one of the coolest things for me as a mod in the old PITR was seeing people rise through the levels. Seeing people start with play money or at fixed limit $0.05/$0.10 and then within a year they were playing $50 Pot Limit Omaha. So three pretty simple questions: - Where do you play? - What game(s) do you play? (or type ie if you focus on tournaments more etc) - What limits? For me I'm a casual player these days. I still play 7 Card Stud but I play it for fun more than anything else. I'm lazy so I haven't researched if there is any great places on the internet to play it. My bankroll is solely at Pokerstars right now and I will pop on there occasionally and just play whatever is going. Very rarely there will be something like $10/$20 but most of the time it's as low as $0.50/$1. I don't mind too much about the limits though as it's an entirely different challenge and quite fun. What about you guys? (And if there is anywhere good to play Stud let me know!)
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I was a kind of serious live recreational player before COVID, now I don’t play at all and likely won’t until I am vaccinated. I played NLHE 2/5 and 5/10, and would occasionally play higher buy in MTTs when they came into town, typically in the $500 to $2000 range. I never really got into online poker and I actually enjoy the social aspect of live poker even if you get far fewer hands. The competition is also far, far weaker. I’m looking forward to getting back to poker once I can.
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Jan 11, 2021 03:38
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I'm on Global Poker and it's not fantastic but the games are pretty soft and there's usually an ok amount going, the spread is just NLHE and PLO, though. I usually dick around playing low stakes since it's a recreational thing for me. Amusingly now that I've gotten my tilt issues under wraps and sidelined all the stuff that killed my roll when younger I just don't have the drive to put in the hours anymore. Wow, getting older, didn't see that coming! I would not recommend global unless you can't get your money on another site or you're not too concerned about pulling it. They use a sweepstakes model and it's pretty goofy and I would not want to deal with the tax implications.
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Jan 11, 2021 04:12
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When I get the chance to play live, it's usually 1/2 to 2/5, or if I'm really drunk then 5/10. Online is mostly .25/.50 to 1/2 on either Ignition or a private game - when on Ignition I prefer either zone or HUSNGs. I've dabbled in PLO but pretty much stick to NLHE. For regular tourneys I'll go anywhere from $25 to $500, or more if I satty in. aksuur fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Jan 11, 2021 04:37
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I have not played since 2019. I basically stopped playing online after the initial websites got shutdown. I think I may have played on Cake Poker afterwards but now I don't even know where that money is. My plan in 2020 was to go to Vegas more often and play live poker, while also playing video poker to get diamond status at Caesars. That plan obviously went out the window. I do see that the casinos were open when I was watching Andrew Neeme's poker blog. They seem to be dividing the players with plastic panels and everyone wears masks... that doesn't seem that safe to me...
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Jan 11, 2021 06:22
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I’ve been wanting to get out to Vegas too but I’d feel like an rear end in a top hat doing it right now. I’ll usually play holdem 1/2-2/5 on ignition. Mostly been playing .50/1 local games on an app recently, I like the social parts of poker more than just sitting silently grinding. Ignition removing the chat function kinda annoyed me. Hopefully we can get back to playing live games in the future. I’ll dabble in some blackjack but I’m just barely passable at it, interested in baccarat and craps too but never tried either as they don’t really have them where I live.
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My main game is 5/10 on ignition, I've tied up probably too much of my real life roll in real estate investments so I've been limited to just shot taking at 10/20 when I can, which used to be my main game and hopefully will be again whenever I can free up some money. During the past couple years I briefly played on Chinese apps and played as high as like probably the equivalent of $30/$60 but ended up running bad and losing a bunch, also I think running into botters and cheaters in some form. It would be very funny if I started off as IK here by immediately breaking the rules and starting an "is it rigged debate" and I don't think any of the sites were rigged as far as assigning outcomes or changing the deal but I do think there were obvious bots and people colluding. I tried ACR recently just to try 1/2 zone and found it seemingly very tough. I only played a couple thousand hands but only occasionally saw what were obvious mistakes, compared to all the time at 1/2 zone on ignition. It's possible people are making mistakes like being too tight which would be hard to spot but I dunno, it seemed very solid.
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Stefan Prodan posted:I tried ACR recently just to try 1/2 zone and found it seemingly very tough. I only played a couple thousand hands but only occasionally saw what were obvious mistakes, compared to all the time at 1/2 zone on ignition. It's possible people are making mistakes like being too tight which would be hard to spot but I dunno, it seemed very solid. I didn’t even know ACR had zone poker now. But I have gotten emails about getting money back due to bots several times, never big money but it’s been multiple occasions. I’ve always found the competition there to be way harder than ignition. Always seemed super tight and when someone joins a table and is willing to lose their stack, like everybody laser targets them. I’m also a filthy recreational player, I just found it to be way different than ignition.
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I used to do anywhere from 0.25/0.5 to 5/10, online through live. Obviously with COVID that's out the window. I will say, there are some free mobile apps that let you set up a free poker game. I've been doing that with some friends and then we just pay each other through cash app / venmo / whatever. We usually play 1x a week with a $5 or $10 buy-in for a nice 1 or 2 table tourney with friends. It's not perfect but it's been a fun way to stay connected with friends and also get some hands in.
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I never really got past playing $10-20 MTTs online, and don't really keep a bankroll around nowadays as I've moved on to other hobbies. My game's probably a fair bit behind by this point. That said, I do still pop on to Stars or Party every so often because there's got to be some upsides to being in the UK
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I used to do anywhere from 0.25/0.5 to 5/10, online through live. Obviously with COVID that's out the window. I'm actually glad this sub reopened because we are doing this too- weekly ko $10 with about 11 people. It's fun, but the site we're using (pokernow.club) seems a little broken. I can't tell because I'm not a mathematician, but the probabilities seem hosed up. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter too much for our dumb little home game, but we regularly see multiple quads in a night, or just insane hands like boat over boat or hitting the two-outer far more often than expected. I've really wanted to pull the logs and do the math but never seem to get around to it. There's a few of us that think the generator is flawed, but we're yelled down and mocked for it. For the record I don't think it's rigged in favor of a particular player, but rather that you're more likely to hit monster hands. I've made some crazy hero folds because it's gotten to the point where I don't have the nuts I fold, because the game seems set up to generate these dumb coolers. Does anybody use the site? Are you having a similar experience? Edit: or streak issues. Usually we have one player who is hitting monsters for 20-40+ hands and the rest aren't even seeing pairs. It rotates weekly who's seeing that kind of love though. sephiRoth IRA fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:02
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sephiRoth IRA posted:I'm actually glad this sub reopened because we are doing this too- weekly ko $10 with about 11 people. It's fun, but the site we're using (pokernow.club) seems a little broken. I can't tell because I'm not a mathematician, but the probabilities seem hosed up. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter too much for our dumb little home game, but we regularly see multiple quads in a night, or just insane hands like boat over boat or hitting the two-outer far more often than expected. hell yea first one of these and it didnt even take a full day btw this is called confirmation bias
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Jan 11, 2021 17:35
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Stefan Prodan posted:botting Something I've wondered for the past few years, can't someone who's serious about cheating just like, point a camera at their monitor and have a second computer running some kind of screen scraper plus a solver?
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Jan 11, 2021 18:56
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I haven't played in a long time. I pop onto Stars every few months to take a look, and it's so different now. Sports betting and casino games all over it, and all these weird SNG formats that seem to basically serve to let people gamble it up. As an aside, seeing your name Scotsman reminded me of when I won a competition that you ran on Cellsino, I think it was, around 12 or so years ago. Cashed highest in two MTT's you ran and you sent me a PS3. Good times!
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Jan 11, 2021 19:23
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:hell yea first one of these and it didnt even take a full day Good to know, thanks. I knew I was probably being dumb, but I'm largely an uneducated moron and didn't know if pop up sites like this one were built differently than Stars or whatever. I never thought any of those were rigged or anything like that but some dude in his basement could have possibly swapped a zero or something.
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Jan 11, 2021 19:37
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Even with COVID I play a 5/10 NLHE home game with the 7-2 rule that pays 50 dollars from every player at the table if you win a hand with 7-2. Keeps things light.
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Maha posted:Something I've wondered for the past few years, can't someone who's serious about cheating just like, point a camera at their monitor and have a second computer running some kind of screen scraper plus a solver? Probably yeah, it's definitely a real concern about the future of online poker, much more so than the sites themselves rigging anything
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Is poker a solved game for AI? Like the math isn’t that complex that an AI would have an edge. And anyways online poker already had Heads up displays that calculated odds and showed player betting profiles on mined hand data.
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Jan 11, 2021 20:27
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laxbro posted:Is poker a solved game for AI? Like the math isn’t that complex that an AI would have an edge. And anyways online poker already had Heads up displays that calculated odds and showed player betting profiles on mined hand data. I think heads up limit hold em is basically solved but as far as I know NLHE multi handed is not. There are still for sure bots around, who knows how well they do though
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I don't know how an AI can account for human opponents who inconsistently make mistakes (which can be a disadvantage to you), but if they are it'd be interesting to read how. IMO one cheating problem that I'm not sure how sites can cope with, is one player playing multiple seats at the same table, perhaps by using VPN to disguise IPs etc. More knowledge of which cards are in hands, being able to fold the worse of two+ hands, etc. would be a big advantage.
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Jan 11, 2021 20:48
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Leperflesh posted:I don't know how an AI can account for human opponents who inconsistently make mistakes (which can be a disadvantage to you), but if they are it'd be interesting to read how. it does it by not caring what its opponents do. it plays gto and if its opponent doesnt play perfect gto then they lose money and multiaccounting the same table is a problem but it's also incredibly obvious when anyone tries to do it and if the site is watching they get caught rapidly
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Jan 11, 2021 20:53
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$5 max bet Bovada slots baybee. Wheel 'em and deal 'em!
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Is there a non betting poker platform? I am in the UK and play on the William Hill platform normally, usually double or nothing games.
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Stars Play Money, as I am in the US, lol. I play in the 5 million NL “cash” table to try and pretend the chips have weight, but it really doesn’t work, it’s all funny money regardless of IAP value. Actually it helps because I bet like a psycho and people fold like a cheap chair to protect their imaginary money. So when I get back to playing live post-COVID my game will be ruined. 
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I’ve always felt like doing lots of play money games would build really stupid habits. Like part of poker is def removing yourself from the emotions you get by betting money, but also taking advantage of others emotions about it. E: not trashing on you or anything, but I would be curious to hear what some people who know more than me think about the play money stuff
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Jan 11, 2021 22:29
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The Ignition site says it's open to US poker players. Is this true? I am in the US and quit playing online back when poker sites were cutting off US players left and right.
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Jan 11, 2021 22:40
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Lutha Mahtin posted:The Ignition site says it's open to US poker players. Is this true? I am in the US and quit playing online back when poker sites were cutting off US players left and right. Yes, ignition works in the US. Personally, my card carrier rejects their transactions though so Bitcoin is required for me to get to play. You’ll want to use it to withdraw too, just make sure you convert it to cash asap or risk losing a bunch of your winnings to the ridiculous swings of btc value.
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I was playing at Bovada until I burned through my roll playing blackjack (don't play blackjack online) and now I can't figure out a way to deposit since my bank seems to have flagged them and lol Bitcoin. So I guess it's Global Poker for now. I'm mostly saving up so I can play live MTTs again once I get my second Covid vaccine shot.
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I only ever played NLHE for play money on Stars, both ring games and tournaments, through maybe 2015 or so. I never built an enormous "account" so I was usually playing for like 40k chips or something. Unquestionably, betting behavior is different with play money. The main things I observed back then, some or all of which may be no longer true now:
My conclusion was that yeah I was undoubtedly learning bad habits from figuring out how to take chips in fake money poker. I was still having fun, though, so I kept doing it for a long time, especially when I could get my buddy to join a table with me so we could talk poo poo about the other players over skype. We didn't cheat, never told each other what cards we had, and actually constantly tried to get each other's chips too, which if you're gonna play free I would suggest is the fun way to do it. But you could also still learn useful things too. Behavior on the bubble in free tournaments is similar to real money tournaments: some folks playing super tight just trying to last into the money without losing, other players taking advantage of that first set by aggressively stealing blinds and using their chip advantage to best effect, and a middle set who just stick to their normal strategy and hope for the best.
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Tetramin posted:I’ve always felt like doing lots of play money games would build really stupid habits. Like part of poker is def removing yourself from the emotions you get by betting money, but also taking advantage of others emotions about it. If I played the same either way, you’d be absolutely correct, but even just the change of surroundings lets me keep having two minds about it fairly easily.
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I played casual kitchen tournaments for a few years before the pandemic and mostly sucked because I was just doing it for the social aspect. Once the pandemic hit and I had a ton of time sitting around at home I started playing online in cashless games just to practice and get a baseline skill level. After a few months I was winning pretty reliably and took that as the sign to move on to reading up on more intermediate strategy. We started playing the kitchen tournaments again online and, surprise surprise, I started coming out on top way more often. I'm now playing two tournaments a week with 8-10 players on a $20 buy in and winning fairly reliably. At the moment I'm on the hell of a hot streak and have managed to win the past 7 games straight. I have definitely gotten the bug and cannot wait until this shitvirus is finally behind us as I want to start dabbling in table games with higher stakes and better players. If I feel like I can handle my own there or even do well I'll probably start looking into jumping into real tournaments just to see how I do. This game is fun as gently caress By the way I managed to find a great free online poker site for running games with friends : https://www.pokernow.club The guy is still actively developing it. At the beginning of the year it was very basic and fairly clunky and it's incredible how many features he's added over the past few months.
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I play PokerstarsVR because it’s rad as hell and fun to sit around a virtual social table and play poker or blackjack It’s funny money, but that’s probably for the best for me anyway.
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Leperflesh posted:I don't know how an AI can account for human opponents who inconsistently make mistakes (which can be a disadvantage to you), but if they are it'd be interesting to read how. Yeah so expand on what MY INEVITABLE DEBT said, if you aren't familiar with the principles of GTO, basically the AI can play a strategy where it is perfectly balanced across all lines and runouts in a way where say if you fold too much, it will make too much money with its bluffs and if you call too much, it will make more money than average with its value hands, and it plays in such a way that since it's perfectly balanced it doesn't like lose as much on the other side of it. Basically you are correct in that it suffers an economic loss by not maximally exploiting its bad opponent, for example it will pay off someone who never bluffs when it shouldn't, but the upside is that like apart from rake it can never lose and people play pretty far from perfect so most GTO bots will win even after rake.
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So the idea is, against what we know of as the whole panoply of poker players, the AI has a +EV; but if a given player knows they're playing against an AI, they can in theory exploit that and beat the AI consistently by adopting specific strategies it is slightly -EV against. But you'd have to know you're playing an AI, which could be all but impossible to suss out.
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Leperflesh posted:So the idea is, against what we know of as the whole panoply of poker players, the AI has a +EV; but if a given player knows they're playing against an AI, they can in theory exploit that and beat the AI consistently by adopting specific strategies it is slightly -EV against. But you'd have to know you're playing an AI, which could be all but impossible to suss out. No, anyone playing true GTO can never lose, they can only break even at worst, they can only suffer an opportunity cost by not maximally exploiting their opponents and not winning as much as they COULD, but they'll never lose (before rake anyway)
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Huh. I had always assumed that any given betting strategy, if applied consistently, has at least one counterstrategy available.
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:and multiaccounting the same table is a problem but it's also incredibly obvious when anyone tries to do it and if the site is watching they get caught rapidly Isn't that exactly what stoxtrader was caught doing ~10 years ago? e: IIRC he wasn't caught by the sites but by other players who knew something was up and took months of data analysis to figure out what exactly he was doing and compile proof
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Eric the Mauve posted:Isn't that exactly what stoxtrader was caught doing ~10 years ago? Stoxtrader was also colluding IIRC, but it was definitely the players who caught it and reported it to the sites, not the site's security on its own. Anyway, I play mid-stakes lottery sngs and MTTs on wsop.com and ACR because eventually i'll have a big enough score to quit practicing law. Maybe I'll play live here in Vegas again if I get vaccinated or what not. But tbh I'm extremely washed up at live MTTs. Last live MTT I played was the 2019 WSOP "Big 50" and some random middle aged white guy (correctly) folded KK preflop face up against me. Unamuno fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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I play low-mid stakes hyper turbos MTTs on Stars these days, with the rare shot at some bigger event during series (55 to 215). My days of hitting the register button for a 2k SCOOP on a whim are far gone.
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Leperflesh posted:Huh. I had always assumed that any given betting strategy, if applied consistently, has at least one counterstrategy available. That's probably true if you're playing heads up and you have knowledge and certainty of the opponent's strategy, can't really count on that though.
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