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COVID, dog racing ending, and the Tampa Hard Rock really killed Derby Lane. They used to have much more business and a better variety of tournaments.
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The Weds $100 $3K guarantees in Feb did okay, getting 40+ players which isn't bad for a mid-week. Very curious to see what these Sunday $55s look like.
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skaboomizzy posted:The Weds $100 $3K guarantees in Feb did okay, getting 40+ players which isn't bad for a mid-week. Very curious to see what these Sunday $55s look like. They used to get 100+ players for their Tuesday night $200+7 tournaments. It was the best value in town even if the structure wasn’t the greatest. They used to also host bigger events on the other side of the room which isn’t used any more. I get it though, all of the big tournaments belong to the Hard Rock now as they’ve pretty much taken over all of Tampa. But even smaller rooms like the Silks and Sarasota Kennel Club used to have pretty decent tournament series but are now pretty dead.
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Silks has great ribs if they still do food, and luckys in tampa was a goldmine if you want to play against degens. Granted that's 5ish year old info, but I doubt locations changes a ton E: I also still have a 50c piece from hard rock's 7-card game that I played while waiting for a nlhe table to open, i wonder if that game still runs Sentient Data fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 04:06
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Sentient Data posted:Silks has great ribs if they still do food, and luckys in tampa was a goldmine if you want to play against degens. Granted that's 5ish year old info, but I doubt locations changes a ton The Silks was my go-to spot and yeah, they had good food and good promotions (I think like $2 an hour for the 2/5 game, I never had to pay for food). They had by far the juiciest 2/5 NLHE games in town like 6-7 years ago but they haven't run for a few years now. They recently (like 1-2 years ago) had 1/3/6 running but it wasn't a good game. I didn't want to get robbed in the parking lot so I never played at Lucky's, though I did hear they used to have a pretty good PLO game that ran. The Hard Rock's 2/5 and 5/10 games were garbage too the last time I played them and I imagine they are even worse now during Covid. Once things are safer I'll probably give it another shot and see if the games are better but I kinda doubt it, I feel like the degens just don't have money any more or are playing table games instead of poker. I hear the action is better in South Florida but also trending toward not being nearly as good as it used to be.
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I sat down and played live poker for the first time in about 10 years the other week. A "home" game near me, a converted factory space with a few tables that runs games several times a week. Played $1/$2 and ended up about $50 down on a 5ish hour session which I'll take as a win in my book after not playing for so long, ended up throwing most of my profit away trying to bully someone off of a hand that he really should have folded but called my bluff on a board that had straight/flush and straight flush opportunities and his pair of 8's ended up beating my pair of 5's. Going to go play some more again, was good to play again. Also just ordered a new table for home and a set of nice semi custom ceramic chips for cash games, and my old tournament set of chips is still in the shed so I'm set now to run some low stakes home games
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KTS posted:I sat down and played live poker for the first time in about 10 years the other week. A "home" game near me, a converted factory space with a few tables that runs games several times a week. Played $1/$2 and ended up about $50 down on a 5ish hour session which I'll take as a win in my book after not playing for so long, ended up throwing most of my profit away trying to bully someone off of a hand that he really should have folded but called my bluff on a board that had straight/flush and straight flush opportunities and his pair of 8's ended up beating my pair of 5's. Going to go play some more again, was good to play again. Nice. Yeah i had been itching to play live again. Hit up a 1/3 home game recently and it was a great time. We switched to 2/5 for the last hour or two. I punted off my first buy in on a really stupid hand, but ended up making it back, I think I was down like $40. Pretty good cost/hr for the most fun I’ve had in like a year lol. We also did bomb pots once per rotation playing two boards, which was kinda weird at first but got the hang of it and took a whole bunch of those down. A few of them I just got super lucky and connected hard with both boards, then as I got a little drunk I was using the previous wins to bluff at them pretty successfully.
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I enjoy playing 4/8 Omaha Hi-lo with half kill, but everytime I decide to drive to the poker room the game breaks before i get there. It's mostly an older crowd and they're all done before 8pm. So, I end up playing 1/2NL and I get very bored very quick. There arent too many soft games at 10pm on a tuesday in bumfuck florida so I stick to 1/2 NL and I really wont ever go to 2/5. As far as Florida poker rooms I know that Tampa/Hollywood use plexiglass barriers for their tables and i think they're still 7-max at the table. The other smaller rooms are all 8 max and they don't use plexiglass, but masks are required at all times. We've had some players and employees get covid, but compared to a normal year where the entire room gets sick once or twice a year it's been relatively calm. I Brake For MILFs fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Mar 15, 2021 19:46
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I hate that Indiana is still just doing 5-max with no promos, yet still a 10% max 5 rake. Even worse, they hardly care if people get up for 20-30 minute stretches. It's stuffed with people that don't like to fold to raises preflop but will call drat near all in with top pair; may as well just play bingo or roulette since it's purely up to the deck at that point
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Mar 15, 2021 20:15
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That sounds like its soft as hell and rockin' baby
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Mar 15, 2021 20:47
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Yeah. I consider myself an idiot when it comes to these things but that sounds easy as hell to exploit
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Sentient Data posted:I hate that Indiana is still just doing 5-max with no promos, yet still a 10% max 5 rake. Even worse, they hardly care if people get up for 20-30 minute stretches. It's stuffed with people that don't like to fold to raises preflop but will call drat near all in with top pair; may as well just play bingo or roulette since it's purely up to the deck at that point Jesus, it's brutal when just one person get's up at 8 max. I couldn't imagine playing 4 handed max rake because someone needs to take a poo poo. Do they still take a jackpot drop if they aren't running any promos? They shouldn't be doing that. Edit: I mean, you're seeing more hands per hour, but if it's a nit fest and everyone's just trying to play bingo that really takes the fun out of it. I Brake For MILFs fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Mar 15, 2021 21:16
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Easy to exploit, sure, but I know myself enough that turtling up and playing top value-only bingo against nits with sub-$200 stacks leads to terrible boredom tilt
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Mar 15, 2021 21:28
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Sentient Data posted:Easy to exploit, sure, but I know myself enough that turtling up and playing top value-only bingo against nits with sub-$200 stacks leads to terrible boredom tilt this is a good opportunity for you to plug that leak and make some money. or dont
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:this is a good opportunity for you to plug that leak and make some money. or dont I mean, does table image matter at all on a live 1/2 game?
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Mar 16, 2021 00:02
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I Brake For MILFs posted:I mean, does table image matter at all on a live 1/2 game? I think that's the point, they won't notice if you just play for huge hands and you will win tons of money if you prioritize that over not being bored
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Mar 16, 2021 00:06
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I’m a little confused. Are the players you’re playing nitty, as in tight and passive old men types who only play the nuts? Or are they the type that won’t fold preflop and won’t fold when they have even a marginal hand? It seemed like you said it was both. Depending on which it is you’ll have a vastly different strategy to win.
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Mar 16, 2021 01:29
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I too hate when my opponents play their hands face up.
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Eh, unironically yes. I'm not living off of poker right now, so the money is secondary to the challenge and fun of playing against people who do play well or at least in an interesting manner. I have zero desire to play a stale 4.5-handed slot machine for hours on end, even if it's +ev
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Sentient Data posted:Eh, unironically yes. I'm not living off of poker right now, so the money is secondary to the challenge and fun of playing against people who do play well or at least in an interesting manner. I have zero desire to play a stale 4.5-handed slot machine for hours on end, even if it's +ev Yeah I mean fair enough honestly, far be it from me as someone who makes a living off people playing recreationally to discourage people from playing recreationally as long as that's what you know you're doing, if your goal in poker is to just get in there with good players and mix it up for a challenge and fun for some -EV price that's totally reasonable I would not describe the +EV poker I play as particularly exciting or something I would usually do for fun if I didn't have to
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It sounded like the horrendous rake really pulls back from the +EV environment of those bad players, though? If you can grind out $20 an hour above the rake at 1/2, by playing one hand in ten and otherwise just loving around on your phone for hours on end, that's... a living, sure, and better money than a lot of Americans make, but if your job already pays better, why would you want to do that? I pulled that $20 figure out of my rear end, though. What kind of actual hourly income does a given +EV imply at 1/2?
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Leperflesh posted:It sounded like the horrendous rake really pulls back from the +EV environment of those bad players, though? If you can grind out $20 an hour above the rake at 1/2, by playing one hand in ten and otherwise just loving around on your phone for hours on end, that's... a living, sure, and better money than a lot of Americans make, but if your job already pays better, why would you want to do that? Rake at 1/2 is usually like $3-$5 a hand, at least in Florida. Assuming 40 hands per hour and 5 handed tables, that's like $24 an hour per player you're paying into rake on the low end. So to beat 1/2 for $20 an hour net you'd need to make $44 an hour before rake, which is 55 BBs/100 hands. Even for 1/2 that's an insanely good win-rate, and maybe impossible except in the most ideal conditions? 5-handed 1/2 could be fun as a learning experience but 9-handed is definitely easier to make a little bit up money since you'll get bigger pots on average and the rake won't be as much relative to the pots that are won. But in order to make any sort of livable income you really need to play 2/5 and above. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Yeah, that's about what I expected. So unless you're totally into mindlessly playing boring poker for minimum wage, it's understandable a 1/2 player would avoid those situations rather than try to exploit them for profit.
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It's all about the high stakes razz, baby.
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Anubis posted:It's all about the high stakes razz, baby. gently caress. I want to play razz so badly.
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silvergoose posted:gently caress. I want to play razz so badly. A fellow
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Anubis posted:A fellow Legit started with razz, after reading the doyle book and getting a friend to send me some money on ftp.
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silvergoose posted:Legit started with razz, after reading the doyle book and getting a friend to send me some money on ftp. I used to 4 table heads up razz tournaments back in the FTP hayday. You could only find people at the 5-20 range, but it was basically free money because half the time they either meant to play a holdem game or would get bored and force a move in a bad position. I basically only ever qualified for Goon Series of Poker Championship because of razz wins.
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I got to play in a weird mixed game somewhere on the strip once which had a stud high lo no qualifier for low two pair qualifier for high, it was wild
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silvergoose posted:I got to play in a weird mixed game somewhere on the strip once which had a stud high lo no qualifier for low two pair qualifier for high, it was wild A smart and patient person could retire off a game like that.
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Just got deposited into Americas Cardroom. Up $200 on my original $400 deposit so far. I sure hope this place won't vanish with my money!!! Surely that won't happen Playing $1/$2 cash games. Best hand so far was AA all-in preflop and "Wendy" from the Russian Federation goes all in with KK. Faded the king and doubled up. edit: Make that up $278 now lmao People on this site are insanely easy to bully AHH F/UGH fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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AHH F/UGH posted:Just got deposited into Americas Cardroom. Up $200 on my original $400 deposit so far. I sure hope this place won't vanish with my money!!! Surely that won't happen I haven’t played ACR for a few years and I’m definitely better now than I was then, but my bankroll at the time had me playing 25NL I got beat up by the same couple people every night, and everyone else was just ridiculously nitty. The few times I played 1/2 were probably the only times I came out ahead. There were a few multi tabling grinders playing the micros that were ridiculous bullies that at the time I didn’t know how to handle. Tetramin fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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Honestly I'm having a wonderful time playing Party's version of Zoom at the moment - I'm poo poo at cash but people are just desperate to stack off with any part of the flop
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Mind_Taker posted:Rake at 1/2 is usually like $3-$5 a hand, at least in Florida. Assuming 40 hands per hour and 5 handed tables, that's like $24 an hour per player you're paying into rake on the low end. This doesn't take into account that rake is not paid equally around the table. The people playing 40% of their hands and winning 40% of them are paying much more of the $120-200 coming off the table every hour, then the person who is playing 10% of hands and winning 60% of them
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Thom Yorke raps posted:This doesn't take into account that rake is not paid equally around the table. The people playing 40% of their hands and winning 40% of them are paying much more of the $120-200 coming off the table every hour, then the person who is playing 10% of hands and winning 60% of them No good player is going to have a 10% VPIP playing 5-handed. Probably at least 20% and probably closer to 25-30%, though I'm certainly not a 5-handed live expert so these numbers might be a bit off. But it's certainly much higher than 10%. And no winning player is only going to win 6% of hands playing 5-handed. That seems insanely low.
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Mind_Taker posted:No good player is going to have a 10% VPIP playing 5-handed. Probably at least 20% and probably closer to 25-30%, though I'm certainly not a 5-handed live expert so these numbers might be a bit off. But it's certainly much higher than 10%. And no winning player is only going to win 6% of hands playing 5-handed. That seems insanely low. sure, but you get my overall point, don't you? That I exaggerated for effect?
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Thom Yorke raps posted:sure, but you get my overall point, don't you? That I exaggerated for effect? Yes but you still need to achieve a pretty incredible and perhaps unrealistic win-rate in order to net $20 an hour in live 5-handed $1/$2 NLHE is my overall point. Edit: contrast that with 2/5. Assuming $5 rake per hand and 40 hands an hour, that's $200 an hour off the table. Assuming you're paying 20% of the rake in a 5-handed game, that means $40 of rake per hour (in reality this might be less for the reasons you mentioned, but for the sake of argument let's go with 20%). So if we want to net $20 an hour we need to make $60 an hour before rake, which is a much more reasonable and achievable 30 BB/100 winrate at 2/5. And as you mentioned maybe even a slightly lower winrate would be necessary if we're paying less rake than an average player. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Wow, I leave the forums for a mere two years, and PITR is back! Oh how the times have changed. Poker is loving BOOMING in Texas right now. The card rooms are hopping, and incredibly bad players are playing for waaaaay too much money. It's hard to explain the stakes in Texas, because they don't work the way they do in the rest of the country, but I'm grinding a lot of what are essentially 5/5 and 5/10 games these days. Also running a low stakes (.25/.50) NLHE/PLO/PL Dramaha mixed home game, and playing a 20/40 limit mix in another card room. I'm booked to play the WSOP ME for the first time year, which I'm excited about, and probably going to play the $1.5k Dealer's Choice as well. Once in a blue moon I grind tournaments on ACR, but COVID has basically killed my will to spend any more time sitting at the computer.
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Imaduck posted:Wow, I leave the forums for a mere two years, and PITR is back! Oh how the times have changed. Can you explain em anyway? I'm curious now!
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The short answer is the games play much bigger than their stakes suggest in Texas card rooms. At the room I play at, the stakes I typically play are 1/3. However, the buy-ins are match the biggest stack, and at these games, the biggest stack is usually $5-10k. The median stack at a 1/3 on a Thursday or Friday is usually going to be $1-2k. On top of this, the pots aren't raked; instead, you pay an hourly fee. This means all the money that gets put on the table stays on the table, unless a player leaves. This means stacks grow and grow and grow. Even at the 1/2, which is capped at $300, about half of the stacks at the table are going to be $500+, with one or two $1k+ stacks. At 1/3, it's not uncommon for me to be in pots that are 1000+BBs effective. The opening bet sizes are also totally out of whack in Texas. If you raise for 3 BB, people will laugh and ask why you're betting so small. You'll get 7 callers. A typical open at a 1/3 table is $15-40, depending on the table. Commonly, I'll open for $30 UTG and get 4 or 5 cold calls. 2/5 and 5/5 games also run at this room, but most semi-pros/pros who know what's going on stick with the 1/3, because the way folks play the pots and stacks are basically the same at 1/3 and 5/5; really the blinds are completely irrelevant. And then there are the straddles. Most of the rooms in Texas allow unlimited straddles and re-straddles under the gun for any amount. It varies by table, but we often do rounds of $10 straddles at 1/3, and usually there will be multiple players who bump it to $20 and get re-straddled for $40. Every orbit. "Bomb pots" have also become the standard here. Every dealer change - and sometimes every orbit as well - there will be a pot where every player puts in a mandatory $15-25 (depending on the room), is dealt in, and there's a flop (no preflop betting) with everyone in and $100-200 already in the pot. Typically, these are double board, and in many rooms they run them as PLO. As you can imagine, these pots get enormous, inflating stacks even further. So yeah, I've seen a few Vegas pros say "I can't play in Texas because they don't run 5/10!" They have no idea what they're talking about, lol. Check out Brad Owen or Andrew Neeme's hands from when they've been in Texas, or look up the Texas Card House streams. The action here is unlike anywhere else I've seen. Oh, and the pro:amateur ratio is so, so much better than Vegas. At a typical 5/10 table in Vegas, 80% of the players will be professionals. Here, people will say there are "too many pros" at the table if there are two.
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