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TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

I watched a couple 'behind the scenes + how much do I make streaming' vids from some of the youtube streamers and holy poo poo their CPM's are absolutely insane if they're accurate.

38k in a month?

this one in particular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2a1Ezyvkx8&t=577s

TheKevman fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Feb 13, 2021

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AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Yeah I have heard some twitch streamers with pretty low viewercounts of around 50-100 talk about their YouTube channels and apparently some people can make some pretty good money on what I would have thought was a relatively low amount of views.

One guy’s videos got like 3-5k views each on average, but he uploaded nearly every day, so he was making around $3000 a month, because he turned on ads before and after and also explained that it wasn’t only the newest video that got views, but all of his videos as whole (of which there were hundreds since he uploaded so frequently) that he was getting around 50k views a day total across his whole channel. He said it was important to saturate the market and flood peoples’ subscription feeds.

That’s why you see these dumbasses like MeetKevin and ClearValueTax uploading literally 4-5 videos a day providing what’s essentially non-information and clickbaity filler about stimulus checks and GameStop stock and poo poo like that.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





TheKevman posted:

I watched a couple 'behind the scenes + how much do I make streaming' vids from some of the youtube streamers and holy poo poo their CPM's are absolutely insane if they're accurate.

38k in a month?

this one in particular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2a1Ezyvkx8&t=577s

She says she flucuates between $17-$22 CPM. even after google takes their cut that is insane. It looks like her RPM for that time was $10.47 with her CPM being $18.56. Does YouTube allow gambling sites to advertise on their site?

Look at this lady's revenue pages, She had 3.9M total views and earned $30,561.57. off that face value, RPM should be $7ish. She cites anywhere from $3 to $9 RPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwEjZnHszFMff

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Strong Sauce posted:

Does YouTube allow gambling sites to advertise on their site?

Yeah, I've definitely been served gambling ads on YT videos

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Really enjoying this guy's streams lately, lots of big buy-ins. He got 4th in a $25k buy-in a week ago for like $240,000 or something, and today he's in a three $5k tables and going deep:

https://twitch.tv/raiseyouredge

Mr. Toodles
Jun 22, 2004

I support prison abolition, except for posters without avatars.
The raise your edge youtube page has an amazing amount of great information as well, and not just highlights of tourneys.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
The legend himself and possibly best streamer Tonka got signed to PokerStars and will be streaming Sundays and occasionally during the week.

https://www.twitch.tv/tonkaaaap

aksuur
Nov 9, 2003
"Ryan DePaulo: Degenerate Gambler" is in the top echelon of youtube gambling content (it's mostly poker).

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClHTtNkaedA5x0aWedOnauw

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





aksuur posted:

"Ryan DePaulo: Degenerate Gambler" is in the top echelon of youtube gambling content (it's mostly poker).

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClHTtNkaedA5x0aWedOnauw

his video where he busted joe mckeehen was pretty funny.

i've been watching this guy, ethan yau, aka rampage poker on youtube. this is not his main poker channel but here he talks about how much money he made in 2020 off just his poker channel which exploded during covid because he was basically the only one playing live poker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jft-BkeT2II

tl;dw says he made $44,965.14 from just his poker channel. pretty nice chunk of change.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!

tetsuo posted:

MG Slots 21
High roller slots and blackjack. Pretty chill husband and wife duo and I like they're upfront about post winning and losing totals on sessions, not just the BIGGEST WIN ON SPARTACUS YOUTUBE CLICK HERE type.

I like their blackjack content a lot, it's fast and professional and I like that they edit in the running tallies for the shoe. It's a nice way to spend 30 minutes and, indeed, sometimes he wins and sometimes he loses and they don't sugarcoat much of anything about gambling.

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.





Soiled Meat
I've been watching MG Slots 21 as well. Good content for sure. I have a feeling that he's doing some sort of card counting because sometimes he doesn't hit a 12 vs dealer 6+. Most often yes, but occasionally he doesn't. So it's either card counting or a gut feeling.

I've been off Roshstein for a while. His schtick got old, and he has another two friends who started their own streams and basically act the exact same way.. like they talk with the same cadence and everything. It is interesting that he hit a million dollar pot a week ago, so he's gambling with a ~1.3 million euros in his account.

Anyone have a better thread title?

aksuur
Nov 9, 2003

Canuckistan posted:

Anyone have a better thread title?

Gambling Streams - Losing Money Vicariously

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!

Canuckistan posted:

I've been watching MG Slots 21 as well. Good content for sure. I have a feeling that he's doing some sort of card counting because sometimes he doesn't hit a 12 vs dealer 6+. Most often yes, but occasionally he doesn't. So it's either card counting or a gut feeling.

I'm willing to say he's not counting and going off a gut feeling the few times he's off book but I'm only passingly familiar with speed counting and haven't done card counting live myself. Maybe some kind of bet progression system? I don't know.

quote:

Anyone have a better thread title?

I know we have a new one but 'Gambling Streams - The cocktail service sucks.'

Baddog
May 12, 2001

BlackIronHeart posted:

I'm willing to say he's not counting and going off a gut feeling the few times he's off book but I'm only passingly familiar with speed counting and haven't done card counting live myself. Maybe some kind of bet progression system? I don't know.


I know we have a new one but 'Gambling Streams - The cocktail service sucks.'

I was about to say "you can't count online", but wow he's streaming from a live table huh? They let that happen now? I guess he's got his own table in the high limit area, so they relaxed a bit eh. Looks solid enough that he must have a tripod set up.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!
Yeah, in their blackjack video posted today he remarks that the tripod he's using isn't the normal one, for whatever reason. They also remark about which dealers they're playing with that session and if they're fan favorites or not, and if any friends of theirs are joining them that day. A lot of friends will cut but not play, but sometimes they play as well. They don't often lose $13,000 like he did today though.

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.





Soiled Meat
The casino he streams from allows him to stream but he's not allowed to film the shuffle process.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

BlackIronHeart posted:

I'm willing to say he's not counting and going off a gut feeling the few times he's off book but I'm only passingly familiar with speed counting and haven't done card counting live myself. Maybe some kind of bet progression system? I don't know.


I watched about half of one of these sessions and at least the one I'm watching he's playing "match the dealer" more than blackjack (betting double his blackjack bet on the match sidebet).

Don't see any counting going on, looked pretty random to me.

It is possible to play thousands of hours and be a long term winner btw. Probably not a big winner, but he may not be lying about betting like this "working for him" over a decade or so. The expected losses just playing basic strategy over thousands of hours playing 1K a hand are hundreds of thousands though.

Edit - at first glance it looked like counting match the dealer was pretty much impossible, but looking at the actual numbers it might be good to throw in to look like a degen every now and then. The issue is the true count has to be more than +-10 for it to have about a 2% edge, and that is pretty rare. And the payouts the hard rock is offering this guy are worse than average. And he's betting it *way* too often to be using any sort of count.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-bets/card-counting-the-match-the-dealer-side-bet-in-spanish-21

quote:

"An AP using the rank count should make the MD wager whenever the count is either 10 or higher or -10 or lower. Then the AP will make the MD wager on about 1.28% of his hands, and when he does make the wager, his average edge will be about 2.06%."

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tao of lmao
Oct 9, 2005

mostly stopped watching poker streams when jcarver stopped doing personal streams to focus on the runitup network, but occasionally I'll watch pokerstaples on twitch

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!

Baddog posted:

I watched about half of one of these sessions and at least the one I'm watching he's playing "match the dealer" more than blackjack (betting double his blackjack bet on the match sidebet).

Good info, thanks!

He did stop matching the dealer at some point and doesn't do it anymore, which I think was around the time he started filming 3+ shoes instead of 2 shoes.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

BlackIronHeart posted:

Good info, thanks!

He did stop matching the dealer at some point and doesn't do it anymore, which I think was around the time he started filming 3+ shoes instead of 2 shoes.

This guy gets so many views, its crazy. Even on his pure slots videos, which are just hitting the button.

I think he might be covering his expected losses just on the youtube revenue. 200 half hour sessions at 1K average a hand is only (expected) to be a 48K loss. Of course there is a decent chance he could lose 300K+ on that amount of action, but he'd probably get a crazy amount of views from a meltdown like that.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
Not sure if it is the same guy, but my parents were in vegas a few months ago, and said one of these guys had a booth set up and was giving autographs, taking pictures, etc. Might be getting kickback from the casino as well for giving appearances.

tetsuo
May 12, 2001

I am a shaman, magician

Harminoff posted:

Not sure if it is the same guy, but my parents were in vegas a few months ago, and said one of these guys had a booth set up and was giving autographs, taking pictures, etc. Might be getting kickback from the casino as well for giving appearances.
Possibly Brian Christopher if it was a slot streamer? Don't know if there's another personality large enough to get that.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽

tetsuo posted:

Possibly Brian Christopher if it was a slot streamer? Don't know if there's another personality large enough to get that.

Just asked, and yeah that is exactly who it was.

Mr. Toodles
Jun 22, 2004

I support prison abolition, except for posters without avatars.
Jamie Staples (pokerstaples on twitch) streamed his third place finish in the $530 $1mil guaranteed wpt event. He usually posts highlights a few days after on YouTube and Facebook. Came into the final table 9/9 so it was pretty cool watching him ladder up to a $76k finish.

Mr. Toodles
Jun 22, 2004

I support prison abolition, except for posters without avatars.

Mr. Toodles posted:

Jamie Staples (pokerstaples on twitch) streamed his third place finish in the $530 $1mil guaranteed wpt event. He usually posts highlights a few days after on YouTube and Facebook. Came into the final table 9/9 so it was pretty cool watching him ladder up to a $76k finish.

Related to this, apparently someone in the final two of that tourney got booted for a security violation so everybody moved up one spot.

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.





Soiled Meat
Roshstein hit a 2.5 million dollar win last week and then a 1 million dollar win shortly after. In the last two steams he's lost 1.9 million dollars.. like he literally had a 1.9 million dollar balance and it went down to less than 50k over the course of two streams. The dude is tilted as gently caress and is hitting all the degenerate gambler warning signs.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Canuckistan posted:

Roshstein hit a 2.5 million dollar win last week and then a 1 million dollar win shortly after. In the last two steams he's lost 1.9 million dollars.. like he literally had a 1.9 million dollar balance and it went down to less than 50k over the course of two streams. The dude is tilted as gently caress and is hitting all the degenerate gambler warning signs.

His bet sizing has gone through the roof since his first 1m hit. The worst was when he said that chat would get 10% of everything he won over $500k and so gave them the choice of slot and stake.

Of course, Twitch chat are loving dumbshits so they ended up doing $1,000 spins and shredded $250,000 in less than an hour, wiping out the giveaway

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Huh, well RIP basically all slots streamers



E: it seems like some folks are seeing this as "I can't do direct links to affiliates, but I can link to my website which has them all". Doubt that'll survive contact with reality

mfcrocker fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Aug 13, 2021

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





i'm sure some goons like them but i honestly didn't care for the slot streams. but i am conflicted about them. on the one hand it seemed like people liked watching the streams since it helped curb some of their gambling desires but on the other hand... i don't really want kids watching these kinda streams if there's even a chance of causing them to want to gamble.

tetsuo
May 12, 2001

I am a shaman, magician
For me it's bizarrely fascinating watching psychos evaporate 10's of thousands with $500 pulls on slots. My own gambling desires are unaffected.

Banishing affiliate links probably cripples a few of the scummier ones but won't affect any of the larger streams. Or they'll move to Youtube. I think the likes of Daskelelele already multi-cast since they're not affiliate/partner.

Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

I can't get on with those that are obviously being bankrolled by the casinos.

And those that are absolutely over the top with their reactions.

tetsuo
May 12, 2001

I am a shaman, magician
Twitch pretty serious about it. Just yeeted the biggest (dedicated, not counting trainwrecks etc) slots streamer live. Think he had some spare stake.com banner in his overlay.

https://twitter.com/ROSHTEINS/status/1427728663160700928

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Isn't Roshstein, like most of the other slot streams, just play money that the casino loads onto their account them to make it appear like they're gambling to lure the sucker viewers in, but the streamer can never actually withdraw because it's fake?

tetsuo
May 12, 2001

I am a shaman, magician

AHH F/UGH posted:

Isn't Roshstein, like most of the other slot streams, just play money that the casino loads onto their account them to make it appear like they're gambling to lure the sucker viewers in, but the streamer can never actually withdraw because it's fake?
That's not the case for most slot streams at all. Are you thinking of fills? Fills can look kinda dodgy but at the end of the day even they aren't fake - depending on the deal the gambler can either take winnings after having gambled some amount, or they can take some % of their winnings at the end of a session. Like Xposed just calling up howie for another $10k refill from RooBet until something lands. I don't like that guy.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

AHH F/UGH posted:

Isn't Roshstein, like most of the other slot streams, just play money that the casino loads onto their account them to make it appear like they're gambling to lure the sucker viewers in, but the streamer can never actually withdraw because it's fake?

Na, he makes bank from being an affiliate for a channel that regularly has 25k viewers and has been getting very, very lucky lately with some absurdly high bet sizing.

Plus his rakeback alone is starting to push $1m a month :stare:

Mr. Toodles
Jun 22, 2004

I support prison abolition, except for posters without avatars.
Is twitch streamer doSAkees a goon?

Burning Rain
Jul 17, 2006

What's happening?!?!

Mrenda posted:

Are there any good cash poker game focused streamers? Everyone I've watched seems to be completely for big tournaments and even the guys who do cash game streams only have one table on the go while they're playing other tournaments.

I can't deal with the time pressure of tournaments, so I'd like to be able to see how cash games play out with good players.

This is from ages ago, but I went looking for smth similar and my two main finds have been Weazel_1991: https://twitch.tv/weazel_1991 and MatthewGambles: https://twitch.tv/matthewgambles.

Weazel is the more entertaining one, especially when he just started doing 500 to 10k challenge and couldn't adjust to 10NL (and had a few ridiculously bad beats), but his streams are always pretty fun. He also has some good coaching videos on youtube where he has recorded some coaching sessions with micros players.

Matt does more hand analysis/GTO stuff in his streams, so it's a bit more dry, but still quality.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Well, from what I can see, it looks like the Twitch gambling ban is only going to apply to Stake, Rollbit, Duelbits and Roobet :psyduck:

Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

Probably a good thing considering they are the dodgiest casinos out there.

But it definitely should go further.

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IED enthusiast
Nov 6, 2006

Love is Packed in Cylinders and Smells Like Ammonium Nitrate.
i am a fan of slotmassacre for video poker content.

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