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Tag! I'm Tias, a reconstructionist norse heathen / animist, which I guess is a bit less strange than your regular vikingaboo since I actually live in Scandinavia. My thread is linked in the prior sentence, but I'll be happy to answer neo-heathenry/paganism stuff itt as well.
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By popular demand posted:A quick thumbing through the wiki article makes the SBC sound like all the 'Bad Christians' characters I see on the media but this gave me pause: Cool beans! It's only 8 odd pages at present, and if you have any questions just let me know.
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Jan 13, 2021 14:57
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Why the gently caress would they keep this name for the church? Just one step removed from "The Slavery YAY Baptist Tabernacle" .
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That's a good church. Have my local protestant church, Hyltebjerg Kirke, which is quite a paunchy chorchh: Nth Doctor posted:Hey faithGoons! That's cool. What do you recognize of deities besides Christ/G_d? Tias fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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Jan 13, 2021 15:14
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E: double postin'
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Fritz the Horse posted:Does anyone have recommendations for places to purchase Catholic religious items? Like Etsy stores or something? I'd rather patronize artists than big stores. The medallion is of course, for the fine dogge, yes? The woman is very catholic, she'll have her own. But think of the dashing figure DevoutDogge will cut zooming around the place with Poor Francis on his collar!
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Jan 19, 2021 07:17
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Dear Josef, One benefit of self-examination that often appears in conjunction with a spiritual practice, is the realization that you are not unique. The doubts, self-loathing, fear and confusion, we all deal with it in our own way - and since you're talking to us, we can mirror those feelings and help you with them. Also, keep in mind that the self is an extremely unreliable narrator, as is the fact that it's clothed in flesh. Everything from forgetfulness to hormones can give us the notion that we should despise ourselves, in spite of us having done nothing wrong at all.
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Jan 20, 2021 17:19
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Shower thoughts: Does Jesus ever say in the bible that he is going to die for our sins? Or was it tacked on later to make sense of his death and/or prophecies?
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Jan 22, 2021 16:55
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Hey all. I'm a lifelong Christian but a bit of an ecumenical mutt. I grew up Presbyterian though my dad was president of a Baptist seminary. I went to a Baptist church when I was in graduate school but am now attending a United Methodist church while teaching at a Nazarene University. I really appreciate the tenor of conversation in these threads that I've read, hope to contribute a bit more in the future. Welcome! What's a nazarene university?
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Jan 24, 2021 21:20
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Cool, a prestige class! What powers does it afford you?  ((you too!  ))
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Jan 25, 2021 09:13
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The only stuff I remember about hutterites are that they still practice communal ownership of property and anti-resistance, that is, whatever the government of their locality does to them, they do not react against it.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:50
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It's me, I am the mushroom smoking bog mummy No, seriously, wide experience with 2CX, ketamine, LSD, shrooms and a great deal of other entheogens, and I got to say that the religious experience couldn't be forced that way. It can be a focus for religious practice, but I wouldn't say it's necessary, nor does it provide a lasting insight.
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Jan 27, 2021 17:51
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Deteriorata posted:Not necessarily. God knowing how things will turn out is not the same as God willfully making things happen that way. This is exactly the case in norse heathenry. Odin sacrifices himself (to himself), to learn the secret of everything, which unfortunately (or however you want to look at it) includes the secret of the end of the world, which he is powerless to stop or affect, even as it meanst his own death. Liquid Communism posted:Yeah, it reads as kicking the can down the road to me as well. I don't personally find it a very compelling argument, given the existence of evil that occurs to those who are blameless, such as children abused by clergy (moral evil), or afflicted with crippling degenerative disorders (natural evil). Not really on topic, but this is my atheist partners reply to most arguments of benevolent spiritual action: "What about the starving kids who have their eyes eaten by blowflies? Yeah, thought so."
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Feb 5, 2021 13:19
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ulmont posted:Yes but Odin is only omniscient, neither omnipotent nor omnibenevolent. Odin is definitely omnipotent. Not sure where you'd get that claim from. White Coke posted:Is she saying the blowflies are evil, or that God not stopping them is evil? Because while I can see the issues with the idea that evil is merely an absence of good, I think there is some value to it raising the question of whether evil is just a human label for things versus some kind of absolute moral principle beyond human definition. God either not stopping it, or not designing a world without it, seems extremely pointless for a good God and/or universe.
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Feb 6, 2021 12:05
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Nessus posted:I think the terms get used a little sloppily and are often taken to mean the Abrahamic conception of God (or perhaps Allah) who may in some ways be understood as actively re-creating the universe each individual moment. In other words, God is essentially an active partner in all activities. Similarly this conception of omniscience suggests that God is actively watching all things at once. Are either of these presented as true for Odin? (Of course heathenry has had somewhat fewer formal theologians...) Hm, interesting. Odin does not re-create the world constantly, to our knowledge - but he is omniscient. He specifically sacrificed first his life and then his eye, to gain knowledge of all things - and should something slip past, his two ravens view the entire world every day, and whisper those secrets in his ear every night. White Coke posted:But he can't prevent Ragnarok or otherwise change his fate. We've moved this to the heathenry thread, but essentially: Odin has power over more or less everything, but is bound by fate so Ragnarok is an exception, kinda. I've tried going over the possible reasons for the blowflies things, but it seems like a crux of reasons a good God cannot exist to her. Some things are best to let lie, I think. Tias fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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Feb 8, 2021 07:49
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Read it as the parable of talents or ninjas, and was not notably more confused.
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Feb 8, 2021 10:17
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Whoaaa forgiveness, awesome thread material! Thanks for bringing it up, even if I have to look at Bruenig. (Forgive me  )Forgiveness is central to healing, but nowhere more so than inside yourself. As many of you know I came to faith through the 12 step program, which is heavily christianized in places, and places forgiveness of yourself as central. You are made to go out to people you've wronged and apologize, but not seek forgiveness - you're supposed to make clear that you know now that what you did then was wrong, and if people have anything to add to what you did to them or (ideally) what you can do to make it better, they can say it without you defending yourself. This has an enormous healing effect, because in admitting and not defending your prior 'broken-ness' or dishonesty, you attain some measure of forgiveness for past sins. This has been my experience anyway. White Coke posted:I'd also like to hear about the Islamic answer to the Problem of Evil. Reminds me of something I read about, that a Mongol Khan invited Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists to convince him about which religion to convert to, and that the Christians and Muslims teamed up because they were offended by the Buddhists. It really depends on who you ask in the islamic world. Zaydi and Twelvers are on the moral realist side of things, in that the moral value of acts is accessible to unaided reason, so that humans can make moral judgments about divine acts. They posited that individuals have free will to commit evil and absolved God of responsibility for such acts. God's 'making things right' more or less consists of punishing evildoers ex facto. Older sunni thought insisted on ultimate divine transcendence and teaches that human knowledge regarding it is limited to what has been revealed through the prophets, so that on the question of God's creation of evil, revelation has to accepted bila kayfa (without [asking] how). Somewhere in this period you also have the Ash'ari, argued that ordinary moral judgments stem from emotion and social convention, which are inadequate to either condemn or justify divine actions. Anyway, on to Avicenna( Ibn Sina), who, while nominally Sunni, brought an analysis of teodice viewed through a neoplatonic ideal that was much followed from then on. He believed that God, as the absolutely good First Cause, created a good world. Avicenna argued that evil refers either to a cause of an entity (such as burning in a fire), being a quality of another entity, or to its imperfection (such as blindness), in which case it does not exist as an entity. Thus, such qualities are necessary attributes of the best possible order of things, so that the good they serve is greater than the harm they cause.
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Feb 9, 2021 08:30
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BattyKiara posted:How do you seek out people who you have lost all contact with, you have no way of contacting, or even dead people? Apologies if that is too personal. Not at all! There are two means of making amends to those you have lost all contact with: A) Symbolic. With the dead, you might write a long letter, and place it or burn it by their grave. Alternatively, you can share it with a sponsor or other person, like someone who knew them. B) "A lifelong amend", which is to say that you think on what you did wrong to the person in question at some interval (yearly would work), and consider how you can change your life and actions to be more in accordance with a way that helps others, and not to treat them in the way you treated the person in question.
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Feb 9, 2021 19:08
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Good lord(s), how many ADHD folks are in this thread? I count 4, myself not included.
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Feb 11, 2021 10:29
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ᛖᛄᚱ, at ᛗᛖᚾᛚᛡᛞs knee, give White Cokes father and his doctors healing hands throughout their lives.
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Welcome CarpenterWalrus! Is there not, or did there not use be, 'theistic satanists', who worship a more classic ideal of Satan as the Anti-God? I could have sworn I heard about this back when I was checking out satanism myself, but it's like twenty years ago and I can't remember.
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Feb 24, 2021 07:22
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Lutha Mahtin posted:my mom just informed me her church has to-go communion kits. there's 2 little pouches you peel back, one for the bread and one for the wine That is some serious transsubstantiation right there
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Feb 25, 2021 12:26
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Where is Guns? Why isn't he posting more? He's doing fine, and hangs out on the discords, among them the one for this thread. Come say hi!
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Mar 3, 2021 08:12
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Aren't there a sect of radical Jain who, upon taking their vow, sits down in one place completely still without eating or drinking until they die?
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Mar 8, 2021 18:00
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A phd in norse animism recently put up a pretty funny academic takedown of anti-christianity in the norse heathen milieus, I thought you guys would get a kick out of it:Rune Hjarnø posted:1) It prevents the development of knowledge and thinking with weirdly anti-dogmatic dogma, that impedes thinking and dialogue, because positions can not really be assumed, tested against each other and developed. Someone will often close down the process of thought with some relativist dogma about agreeing to disagree. (this is an extremely prominent feature of DK heathens)
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Mar 12, 2021 10:50
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TOOT BOOT posted:I honestly have no idea and that's one reason I'm skeptical of the practice. Then things are further clouded by the fact that there seem to be two different phenomenon that are both referred to as 'speaking in tongues' in the NT. I had a friend who tried every radical sect he could in his quest for meaning, and he said that in the charismatic and pentecostal groups he joined, you just picked it up by listening to others doing it, but that there were no rules to the language, nor any interpretation. Bar Ran Dun posted:We’ve got an elk herd close to that where I live. They tolerate runners and bikers. Dogs and particularly aggressive photographers get the why don’t you gently caress off display. On occasion we'll have a major loving accident with elk in Scandinavia, most often when a bull gets completely hosed up on fermented fruit and charges a car intersection.
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Mar 16, 2021 10:24
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Hot drat: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...lX9wIC2TvZOCuF4
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Mar 16, 2021 20:50
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Uuuh guys he specifically thought it was okay to murder asian american women and discard their bodies like garbage on the ground. The fact that US politicians and media talk about his tragic addiction or bad day or whatever is because they hate asians as well, not because he doesn't.
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Mar 22, 2021 09:05
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Islam works the same way (tm) You're supposed to have the spiritual benefits of fast, but health is paramount in most schools of jurisprudence, and if you're ill, elderly or a child, then god doesn't mind.
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Mar 24, 2021 14:57
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Don't make me post the Orthodox hymn trap remixes again!
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Apr 6, 2021 11:27
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CarpenterWalrus posted:I absolutely agree with that. There seems to be quite a disconnect between LaVey as a bible writer and LaVey on his off time. I have several interviews with him in, I believe, Modern Primitives (a body art/piercing/kink stuff magazine), where he comes off extremely weird, saying that most people are basically zombies and should be controlled, and that some personal expressions are gross and should stop. I chalk it up to him doing cocaine with Psychic TV at the time, but it still shook my perception of him as a rather bright chap.
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May 12, 2021 06:52
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Not strictly true. The sciences have long imagined dimensions that transcend both time and space, but as I always say, don't be surprised if you find a whoole lotta angry gods behind the doors you open.
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May 15, 2021 10:08
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This is kind of already baked into a lot of faiths. Paradise / Kingdom of God, the new God-cycle coming after the Kali-yuga, the new world growing from the ashes of Ragnarok, etc.
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May 15, 2021 12:52
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That owns
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May 24, 2021 10:50
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Shaddak posted:I saw this posted in another thread, and I thought the posters here might get a kick out if it. This touches on a lot of interesting things! The first many baptists in Denmark went straight to jail because of their tenet of adult baptism, which was seen as subversive and dangerous at the time. I believe it got outlawed in 1741 by the Konventikel Plakaten (which I suppose translates to the Conventicle Act, though the literal translation would be 'Conventicle Poster', perhaps a new moniker for our baptist goons? - A 'conventicle' is a religious meeting, and it was at these the many outlawed sects did stuff the main church did not approve of), which also banned sermons by traveling preachers and indeed any religious meeting outside of official church rooms. Getting control of the baptists was only a desired side-effect, as the Konventikel was primarily concerned with the actions of reknowned Pietists like Hans Nielsen Hauge, Carl Olof Rosenius and Peter Spaak. Their Pietism placed the personal relation with God outside the control of the state, and so it was considered dangerous for christian unity (and state control, natch). It didn't work out well (surprise!), and some time in the 1700s we decided to take the sting off the Pietist revolution by, uh, adopting Pietism as our state religion! Still, it was the Hallensian branch that got used, as it had a more positive view of state and church.
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Militant politicized evangelism is a republican death cult with very few ties to actual christendom. I'd caution you against trying to reason people out of a position they never used reason to get into. Best you can do is to offer yourself as a way out when some of them inevitably crack from all the fear and abuse. Also, abortion chat is kinda one of the subjects we'd rather not discuss in here.
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Jun 13, 2021 07:32
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Spacegrass posted:I listen to a lot of Satanic death/black metal bands. Sometimes I wonder wtf are these people doing to get that energy about Satan. I guess its mostly symbolic. I listen to it because they are really good musicians. I probably should not listen to them being a Christian though. If Satan exist and God sends people to Hell, I'm screwed. Maybe there's some bands "down there" though. As someone who was always deep into the Standing Outside God Covered In The Blood of the Goat (tm) TrVe cVlt milieu: Some bands fake it for the rep, others are laveyans, still others practice theist satanism, and most are just metal enthusiasts with big egos who employ a cultural and musical tradition to feel awesome and be (in)famous. Actual human sacrifice from a satanist band would be an extreme outlier, and I haven't heard about any yet, though I've definitely been interested and looked.
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WrenP-Complete posted:What are your favorite places in Rome??? Making. Travel plan... Outside of Rome by Lazio you'll find Tivoli, which was kind of the leisure area of Papal Rome. You can still see the magnificient homes of Cardinals and Popes today, one of which is a UNESCO world heritage site. I've never been, but my Italian acquaintance who's an art historian from Rome's university maintains that it's the most beautiful place in Italy. E: and they're unearthing a huge rear end temple to Hercules now! Tias fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:And I mean, a large percentage of indigenous people in the US and Canada are Catholic (or other denominations of Christianity, with a lot of syncretic beliefs) and cherish their faith. Several of my lakota/mexican/apache teachers have ancestors who included Jesus in their pantheon, though not to the exclusion of the great spirit. Thanks for the reccommendation! magic cactus posted:My question is, did I, through my words and actions, sin against my friend? I know that in her words I broke her heart and made her cry, and that makes me feel terrible. Not that it counts for much, but I took pains to not be mean or accusatory in my language. I genuinely took every precaution I could not to hurt her, but I still did. Honestly, hurting her hurt more than the heartbreak of not having my feelings returned. My thought process on the whole thing is that "I hurt her now so that I don't risk hurting her more down the line." Good intentions basically, and I know what they say about those vis-a-vis the road to hell. Not christian so others will have an easier time analyze the christian merits, but I would caution you against letting feelings of sinning exarcabate an already painful situation. Do you view yourself or your feelings as so destructive that you can't ever be her friend? 'Cause life is a long time, and you may hit a day where those feelings aren't bugging you. We nordic heathens would recommend that you fight for her heart, but our theology is very old and backwards when it comes to women  No means no, though it can be crushingly difficult to accept.
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NikkolasKing posted:Did anybody post this in here? I didn't see it. It's a breakdown of Census results or religion in America. No one answered BAPTIZED_TATAR, smh
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I had this done, and all they said was I had to lose weight :p I hope everything shakes out for you!
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