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Mr. Nemo posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump Well we don't want to be confused with the "Second"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump ""not to be confused with the first impeachment of donald trump ""
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Jan 13, 2021 22:40
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Mr. Nemo posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump quote:Not to be confused with Second impeachment of Donald Trump. This is great.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:41
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Yeah, i wanted to send the screenshot, but imgur requires way too many steps. They were lighting fast.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:47
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The Second Impeachment of The Coward Donald Trump
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Lost popular vote twice, impeached twice, TWO SCOOPS
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Jan 13, 2021 22:48
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10! 10 rebel republicans! AH AH AH AH AH!
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Mr. Nemo posted:Yeah, i wanted to send the screenshot, but imgur requires way too many steps. Got you, fam. 
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Jan 13, 2021 22:49
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Not American: What, if anything, does this mean?
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Here are the 10 per the NYT: Representative John Katko of New York was the first Republican to publicly announce that he would back the impeachment proceedings. Not holding the president accountable for his actions would be “a direct threat to the future of our democracy,” he said. Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the No. 3 House Republican, said on Tuesday evening that she would vote to impeach, citing the president’s role in an insurrection that caused “death and destruction in the most sacred space in our Republic.” Representative Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, a frequent critic of Mr. Trump, joined his Republican colleagues on Tuesday evening, saying the nation was in uncharted waters. He said that Mr. Trump “encouraged an angry mob to storm the United States Capitol to stop the counting of electoral votes.” Representative Fred Upton of Michigan issued a statement saying that he would vote to impeach after Mr. Trump “expressed no regrets” for what had happened at the Capitol. Representative Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington State issued a statement saying, “The president’s offenses, in my reading of the Constitution, were impeachable based on the indisputable evidence we already have.” (An earlier version of this item incorrectly stated which state Ms. Herrera Beutler represents.) Representative Dan Newhouse of Washington announced that he was backing impeachment, attacking his party’s core argument, that the process was being rushed. “I will not use process as an excuse,” he said during the impeachment debate, to cheers and applause from Democrats. Mr. Newhouse also offered a mea culpa, chiding himself and other Republicans for “not speaking out sooner” against the president. Representative Peter Meijer of Michigan said that Mr. Trump had “betrayed his oath of office by seeking to undermine our constitutional process, and he bears responsibility for inciting the insurrection we suffered last week.” Representative Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio said Vice President Mike Pence and lawmakers in the House and Senate “had their lives put in grave danger as a result of the president’s actions,” adding, “When I consider the full scope of events leading up to Jan. 6 including the president’s lack of response as the United States Capitol was under attack, I am compelled to support impeachment.” Representatives Tom Rice of South Carolina and David Valadao of California also voted for impeachment. ... Place your bets on which one will be the first to be surrounded and threatened at in an airport, have their office/home vandalized or have to evacuate somewhere due to a bomb threat? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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Jan 13, 2021 22:50
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Dog Kisser posted:Not American: What, if anything, does this mean? Sort of nothing. Now it goes to the Senate to decide if he gets punished. But the Senate is not going to convene until after the 19th. However, it is funny because it almost never happens and you have to really really gently caress up.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:50
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Dog Kisser posted:Not American: What, if anything, does this mean? Now a vote is held in the senate (requires 2/3 votes) whether to convict the president to remove him from office and strip him of all the benefits of having held that office- -- Pension, travel stipend, (maybe) secret service protection.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:51
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Dog Kisser posted:Not American: What, if anything, does this mean? the impeachment is 'filing charges' now the senate gets to vote on those charges.
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Velocity Raptor posted:Now a vote is held in the senate (requires 2/3 votes) whether to convict the president to remove him from office and strip him of all the benefits of having held that office- -- Pension, travel stipend, (maybe) secret service protection. But by the time this possibly happens Biden will already be President, or close to, correct?
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Dog Kisser posted:But by the time this possibly happens Biden will already be President, or close to, correct? Correct, but the big win of conviction would be barring him from ever running from office again. Losing the pension and security detail is just gravy.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:53
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Dog Kisser posted:But by the time this possibly happens Biden will already be President, or close to, correct? Yes, Biden will probably be the sitting president by the time this actually goes to the senate, but they can still hold the vote to convict. AFAIK so long as the impeachment itself was done before the term ended, they vote in the senate can still be held.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:54
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Bloody Pom posted:Correct, but the big win of conviction would be barring him from ever running from office again. And seeing Trump froth in real time.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:56
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host at "NBC NEWS" to commentator: "I assume you are able to speak Mitch McConnel and tea leaves?"
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mmkay posted:And seeing Trump froth in real time. Twitter has denied us this. I desperately want Trump to have a press conference tonight about this...
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Jan 13, 2021 23:02
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Random Stranger posted:Twitter has denied us this. He's supposed to release one of his stupid videos.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:04
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Velocity Raptor posted:Yes, Biden will probably be the sitting president by the time this actually goes to the senate, but they can still hold the vote to convict. AFAIK so long as the impeachment itself was done before the term ended, they vote in the senate can still be held. yeah apparently there's precedent where some corrupt official back in the day resigned after the articles of impeachment were introduced and the house went ahead and impeached him anyway seems reasonable to me that because the constitutional punishments go beyond just being kicked out of office and can include cancellation of pensions, ban from holding future office, etc that aren't mooted by someone leaving office, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to give congress the power to impose those punishments if the accused can just nullify them by resigning. OK it was this guy. He was successfully impeached even after he resigned but was acquitted in the senate along partisan lines (with Republicans arguing not that he wasn't guilty, but that the senate shouldn't have jurisdiction). So there's precedent for it, but don't hold your breath on a conviction
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Jan 13, 2021 23:07
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:He's supposed to release one of his stupid videos. Oh goody. Wherein he calls the 10 people I just posted up the page sad, weak and traitors. I still don't get why HE doesn't get that resigning is the move here. I mean...I GET it I just... God. How did someone this loving stupid and narcissistic become the leader of the free world?
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Jan 13, 2021 23:08
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VitalSigns posted:yeah apparently there's precedent where some corrupt official back in the day resigned after the articles of impeachment were introduced and the house went ahead and impeached him anyway Yep! Legal Eagle actually just release a short about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OufpQZ0Nhbs
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Jan 13, 2021 23:10
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BiggerBoat posted:God. How did someone this loving stupid and narcissistic become the leader of the free world? He said a cute catchphrase on a TV show 20 years ago when he still had a smidgen of charisma left in his hollowed out husk. buglord posted:Our systems reward people like that. This too.
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BiggerBoat posted:God. How did someone this loving stupid and narcissistic become the leader of the free world? Our systems reward people like that.
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BiggerBoat posted:Oh goody. Wherein he calls the 10 people I just posted up the page sad, weak and traitors. I still don't get why HE doesn't get that resigning is the move here. I mean...I GET it I just... He is what a lot of white America wishes they were. He is the perfect face for a large portion of America. The way he talks could literally be my father, another 70-something racist boomer(who lives in Florida and of course loves Trump). I mean, literally the same speech patterns in how they tell self-aggrandizing stories and mock people. It's eerie.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:25
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Pick posted:Sort of nothing. Now it goes to the Senate to decide if he gets punished. But the Senate is not going to convene until after the 19th. It's really sad how blasè we've all become to impeachment. It's supposed to be a big loving deal and yet it's basically not even as painful as a slap on the wrist.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:28
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Silly Burrito posted:It's really sad how blasè we've all become to impeachment. It's supposed to be a big loving deal and yet it's basically not even as painful as a slap on the wrist. This was the goal. That's why the Republicans impeached Clinton for lying about marital infidelity(and honestly really icky predatory behavior, but they were OK with that). It was to be reduced to a partisan weaponry, and now it has in popular culture.
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BiggerBoat posted:Oh goody. Wherein he calls the 10 people I just posted up the page sad, weak and traitors. I still don't get why HE doesn't get that resigning is the move here. I mean...I GET it I just... America is dumb as gently caress friend Like we are an extremely anti-intelligence country
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Jan 13, 2021 23:34
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Jaxyon posted:He is what a lot of white America wishes they were. My dad died about 10 years ago and, sadly, I think he would have been into Trump. Almost glad he passed when he did since it saved me the trouble of having to shut him out of my life and then feeling like poo poo when he did croak. I'm currently in the process of severing all contact with any friend, family member or coworker that's down with this MAGA poo poo. It honestly feels good.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:40
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Silly Burrito posted:It's really sad how blasè we've all become to impeachment. It's supposed to be a big loving deal and yet it's basically not even as painful as a slap on the wrist. It doesn't help that Trump needed to be impeached a dozen times over but the only crimes significant enough for Democrats to do it were the ones where Trump went directly after them.
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Random Stranger posted:It doesn't help that Trump needed to be impeached a dozen times over but the only crimes significant enough for Democrats to do it were the ones where Trump went directly after them. Well when one side doesn't even acknowledge that crimes were made, that sort of screws it up too. Didn't the Republicans in the 70s basically or at least somewhat agree that what Nixon did was illegal?
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Jan 13, 2021 23:43
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TulliusCicero posted:America is dumb as gently caress friend Oh, I know. In a lot of ways Trump makes perfect sense and is the end result of decades of defunding education and just general anti intellectualism. He IS the embodiment of our collective id in a large way. I just meant "HOW" in the sense that I thought W was the rock bottom for stupidity for that high of an office. And now I loving hope it was Donald. I don't need the prospect of president Gaetz, president Gibbs or candidate Green hanging over my loving head the next time a recession hits under a democrat.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:46
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I didn't actually know you could impeach people not currently in office, could congress like, impeach andrew jackson if they wanted? or george bush?
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Jan 13, 2021 23:48
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I didn't actually know you could impeach people not currently in office, could congress like, impeach andrew jackson if they wanted? or george bush? The Constitution says they have to be in office when they're impeached. It says nothing about the Senate trial. Conviction in the Senate can lead to more punishment than mere removal from office.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:51
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I didn't actually know you could impeach people not currently in office, could congress like, impeach andrew jackson if they wanted? or george bush? Theoretically you could do a Synod yes Good luck getting votes and political will to do it though My favorite thing is all the work being done to insure Trump's name is never on anything again
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Dog Kisser posted:Not American: What, if anything, does this mean? It means he gets an asterisk by his name in every history book.
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Deteriorata posted:The Constitution says they have to be in office when they're impeached. It says nothing about the Senate trial. Conviction in the Senate can lead to more punishment than mere removal from office. Does it? It looks like it doesn't really say anything about it, if anything it kinda reads like the senate part talks in present tense of "the president" and the house part just mentions they have the power to impeach in general with nothing about timing.
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Jan 14, 2021 01:02
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Deteriorata posted:The Constitution says they have to be in office when they're impeached. It says nothing about the Senate trial. Conviction in the Senate can lead to more punishment than mere removal from office. I assume they could come up with all kinds of creative penalties but it’s not a criminal trial and shouldn’t be used as one. Really everyone is too sensitive about impeachment. It really should be, “we don’t like this guy. gently caress em he’s out.” All the ‘undoing the will of the people who elected him” malarkey is just that. The people doing the impeaching are far more beholden to current public opinion than the president is.
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