Doctor Who and the Shoes that Fit Perfectly (Library No. 171)

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The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

CommonShore posted:

Woah the last thread was the 8th doctor of threads. Didn't last long, however memorable.

In 17 threads' time, there'll be a surprise revival, completely out of left field.

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 03:11

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Open Source Idiom posted:

Paradise of Death, by Jonathan Morris.

And if you're looking for recommendations, I think the best Who option you could be looking for, if you can find it, is The Crooked World by Steve Lyons.

Paradise of Death is a really good read, Crooked World is not. I�d recommend either Lawrence Miles� Adventuress of Henrietta Street or Simon Bucher-Jones� Grimm Reality over it.

For TV stories, shout out to It Takes You Away.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2021 11:55

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Open Source Idiom posted:

Oh gently caress, you're right.

Festival of Death, by Jonny Morris.

Paradise of Death is Jeremy Fitzoliver.

Oh poo poo, yes, Festival. That's the good one.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2021 18:06

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Open Source Idiom posted:

Anything by Kate Orman (The Year Of Intelligent Tigers), Lance Parkin (Just War), Lloyd Rose (The Algebra Of Ice), Phillip Purser-Hallard (Nobody's Children), Kelly Hale (Erasing Sherlock), Mags L Halliday(History 101), Simon Bucher-Jones (The Taking Of Planet Five) and Lawrence Miles(Down). Simon Guerrier has written some excellent short stories, and does a pretty good job editing collections. His The Time Travellers is excellent.

Ben Aaronovitch is very good, though Transit suffers from a few issues. If you can track down Genis Loci or The Also People it's well worth your time.

These are all great opinions. The Also People is a wonderful book, well worth tracking down.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2021 16:22

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

https://twitter.com/connxrbradshaw/status/1350724452561121281

# ¿ Jan 18, 2021 12:08

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Big Mean Jerk, was this from you?

# ¿ Jan 18, 2021 15:46

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Khanstant posted:

Toss out Rory and I'd watch a season or two with just those best girls

Why would you toss Rory, the best of them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajRRbnerug8

# ¿ Jan 18, 2021 17:50

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Nope, the only board game coming from me was Forbidden Desert.

Huh, ok thanks! This arrived today with no note or anything. :ohdear:

# ¿ Jan 18, 2021 18:40

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

marktheando posted:

I forgot how good Flatline is. The tiny TARDIS is such a great idea, I'd have been happy if they stretched it out to a two parter with more tiny TARDIS antics. And 2D monsters is a cool and good idea.

Why the heck hasn't Chibnall had Jamie Mathieson back? Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, and Oxygen are all top tier stories. Yeah The Girl Who Died was less good but nobody's perfect and that was co-written with Moffat.

He wanted all new writers, rather than have anyone from Before who had been successful.

# ¿ Jan 18, 2021 22:02

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 02:17

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Mel's back! Also Season 24 on Blu-ray!

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1352224428235522050

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 14:01

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

egon_beeblebrox posted:

The second half of Deep Breath is p. good. Too bad about that first half.

Basically everything from the restaurant onwards is decent.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 15:03

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Rhyno posted:

It's penis monsters all the way down

Sounds gay, I'm in. :hmmyes:

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 15:28

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Gameko posted:

The best part is they can bring back Mr. I-ain't-gettin-no-Disney-Plus as Dr. #15:

He should be ready to get paid by then.

I would love to see this. Also, he�s getting paid now? John Boyega is still in things? Check out Steve McQueen�s Small Axe: Red, White, and Blue. He absolutely shines in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZBlM2q5HA

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 16:32

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Do you think Oscar Isaac �crawled back� when they offered him the Moon Knight gig?

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 16:45

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Love it.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 19:01

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Paterson Joseph was already asked once and turned them down. :smith:

On the plus side we got Matt Smith out of it.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2021 23:41

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

There�s the UK TV thread? Maybe spoiler some/most things there, as some people (including me) haven�t even started it yet?

# ¿ Jan 24, 2021 08:49

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Same, how is the impersonator?

# ¿ Jan 30, 2021 15:32

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Apropos of this conversation, I should get this at some point.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2021 02:34

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

TinTower posted:

Spotted this in B&M a couple of days ago.

I'm not sure about that date�

There�s also a Remembrance of the Daleks set with Ace and an imperial Dalek, which they�ve got the date confused on! :eng101:

# ¿ Feb 4, 2021 11:05

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

I love how inevitable that was. Big Finish must have been salivating at the thought of Rory having 2000 years' worth of adventures.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2021 18:44

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

I honestly feel like Chibnall would be the showrunner to bring back the pure historical. Much more so than RTD and Moffat.

# ¿ Feb 8, 2021 02:26

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Definitely canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doMFoiZfPvc

# ¿ Feb 9, 2021 17:30

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

DWM this month comes with a free* Target novel!

*not actually free. The cover price has gone up from �5.99 � to �9.99 to cover the cost of the novel.

�_{I feel like this is already very expensive for a magazine.}

# ¿ Feb 10, 2021 14:48

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Zaroff posted:

And rather than being an actual new novel, it's a collection of the opening chapters of the new novels coming out next month.

Aww, that's a swizz.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2021 23:29

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

https://twitter.com/floellaumbagabe/status/1359231210115989506

# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 12:43

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

People are getting more creative in recreating the missing episodes. Refilming and deep faking and using the existing telesnaps and audio. It�s all very clever.

https://twitter.com/the66ramblers/status/1358780599482294272

https://twitter.com/the66ramblers/status/1359050712668278785

# ¿ Feb 13, 2021 22:05

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 18:51

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Rhyno posted:

I adore this

It's a design by Paul Burley, and he's got it on Redbubble!

# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 23:53

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

I don�t think Whittaker�s run has been helped by another Doctor showing up who is much more forceful and bolder personality wise, and people have latched onto way more. RuthDoc is surprisingly very popular, even among the moaners on FB posts.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 12:33

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

ikanreed posted:

People keep referring to that. Did Doctor Who make the joker?

You should watch Vengeance on Varos. Some say it's a classic.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 15:03

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Comics and TV writer Si Spencer has died. Spencer was commissioned to write an episode of S1 Torchwood that never made it to air, consequently writing a book about it under a pseudonym called 'Torch, Wood, & Peasants'. It contains his script and a bit about how he got entirely hosed over by the production team.

There's a really good Reddit post summing it up, and sounds pretty damning of whoever this 'Crumpsall' character is. :thunk:

quote:

I recently discovered that TV and comics writer Si Spencer (who, I learned as I was writing this post, has sadly just passed away at the age of merely 56(?, or 60? Sources seem confused about his age)) was once upon a time commissioned to write an episode of Torchwood Series 1. RTD wrote in an April 2006 issue of DWM (see above thread) that Spencer "brings a whole new energy and attitude to the scripts. And his idea is one of the boldest of the lot". This episode, Blood (which was originally lined up to be episode 3 of the season), never ultimately materialised.

No doubt by pure coincidence, Spencer occasionally tweeted about a curio of a book called Torch, Wood & Peasants: Adventures in British Sci Fi by one 'Webley Wildfoot' (the connotations of shooting oneself in the foot are no doubt clear), whose bio on the back reads as practically identical to Spencer's, ending with "five years ago [Wildfoot's] confidence and career were almost destroyed by a single show. Webley Wildfoot is a pseudonym". It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to work out that the account given in the book, that is, about Wildfoot's experiences writing for Alien Sex Cops, a dark and gritty spin-off of beloved television classic Mercury Steele which had just been rebooted by 'notorious ladies' man(!) Stone D. McFerris', a dark and gritty spin-off starring one 'Lieutenant Jonny Hanks' ... is in fact an account of Spencer's experiences on Torchwood. Experiences which, it's safe to say, he did not look back on fondly. Since some of the revelations are ... juicy, to say the least, I thought I'd write some of them up here.

Torch, Wood & Peasants is a slim volume. After a brief introduction, 'Wildfoot' presents his script, with various names amended for legal reasons, which is followed by 9 pages detailing what exactly went down. I've not read the script in its entirety yet, but suffice to say it shares a lot of DNA with RTD's Second Coming in that it's about a Messianic figure appearing in present-day Cardiff. The BTS commentary, though, paints a fascinating picture. Obviously we can't be 100% certain that things transpired as 'Wildfoot' maintains they did - it's not as though Chibnall or RTD is going to come out and discuss this - although I have been in touch with a writer of Who spin-off fiction and comics who knew Spencer a bit, and from what they've said it sounds legit.

According to Wildfoot (sorry for the length):

He was approached to write for Alien Sex Cops under the proviso that schedules & deadlines were going to be very tight and he would have to drop all other commitments. He agreed, despite the payment on offer being lower than the other jobs he's turning down, so enthused was he to collaborate with McFerris ('the greatest writer currently working in TV').

At the first commissioning meeting, Wildfoot meets one 'Amos Crumpsall' who 'I assumed was just another writer, but it soon became apparent he had a bigger sway than that' (I'm sure you can guess who this is). It transpires that the pitch Wildfoot has for his episode - an angel which kills prostitutes' abusive clients at the point of orgasm - is too close to Crumpsall's Episode 2.

McFerris, 'kindness personified', asks Wildfoot to focus instead on the 'alien angel' aspect, which soon gets updated to 'Christ himself'. Wildfoot gets to work, freely admitting his first draft was terrible and overly literal, including 'a swimming pool being turned to wine' and 'a scene in a bank full of moneylenders'. He gets some critical feedback from a script editor asking for various improvements to the next draft due in 2 weeks' time. Shooting is 7 months away at this point (beginning May 2006, only a month or so after RTD's DWM column).

Two days later, he gets told that 2-week-turnaround is now a mere 5 days. The next day, he gets asked if he can deliver tomorrow ('there's pressure and there's pressure'). An exhausting all-nighter ensues. The following morning, McFerris tells him he was 'a bit disappointed' with the half-rewrite (it turns out they all thought he'd had far longer to work on it than he had actually had). They bat about the notion of a vengeful Old Testament god the Alien Sex Cops team would battle, and the idea that this god would momentarily stop all death on planet Earth (note that both of these ideas more or less get used later on).

The script Wildfoot writes as a result is Blood, included in the book. He gets very positive feedback from all involved with just 'several tweaks to improve it' needed. The increased public image from being announced in DWM is all very flattering - he even gets invited to a comic convention to discuss the show and sign merchandise, despite not being able to tell anyone anything yet.

Wildfoot knows in hindsight that McFerris 'had delegated his responsibilities on the show to Amos Crumpsall', but had no idea of this at the time so was somewhat bemused to be invited to Crumpsall's home, 'some 150 miles away in a remote rural town' (in Dorset, perchance?). He duly makes the trek, arriving in rural Wessex at an unmanned station next to a sewage plant. The taxi that's meant to take him the next 30 miles does not turn up, and there's no phone reception. I quote: 'I could spend a long time detailing the three loving hours I spent standing in the middle of the arse end of nowhere, my nostrils reeking with the stench of poo poo, with no idea whether a car would turn up or whether I should just hop the next trainful of braying Country Life-reading tosspots back to the Smoke or not - but I won't. Suffice to say if you thought the last sentence was overlong, you haven't stood inhaling effluence in a state of bewilderment wondering whether that distant dot on the horizon might be a pub. In retrospect, three hours of breathing in human effluence would turn out to be a truncated metaphor for the next three months'.

Eventually, he gets to Crumpsall's home (4 hours late), noting an entire wall of Buffy memorabilia in the man's office ('don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the Slayer and the Scoobies, but I do try very hard not to consciously steal lines wholesale from the show, and I certainly wouldn't have thought it wise to cast an ex-member of the show and steal lines to put in his mouth'). It turns out that one 'Leon Clark' (guess who), another writer for Alien Sex Cops, is there as well, writing in Crumpsall's garage. Contrary to all the nice feedback he's been getting, Crumpsall tells Wildfoot they need to rethink his entire script from the beginning and 2 hours later he's sent off to write a 'new two-page pitch for a new episode', 6 months and 4 drafts down the line.

This next version, which apparently involved the rendition of suspected terrorists returning from the Middle East but also kept the Christ aspect (hmm) but which Wildfoot has subsequently lost, gets delivered. He waits... and waits... six weeks pass. Shooting has started. Out of the blue he gets a email from another writer on the show, Jackie Martin (who I'm sure bears no resemblance to Torchwood writer Jacquetta May). She was new to TV and had struggled with her own ep and as such Wildfoot had been in touch in the past, sending her reassuring emails about the experience. She offers him 'massive condolences about [him] being dropped from the show', apologising for how long it had taken her to get in touch since she'd learned about the sacking weeks ago. No one from production has been in touch. Leon has also heard he's been unceremoniously dropped and is also angry about this (though this then turns out to be untrue in his case).

Wildfoot argues that 'after the workload, the exclusivity deal and the shoddy treatment it would be reasonable to pay me my second half fee, otherwise I'd been on hold for the last eight months for less than minimum wage'. The production office eventually agree to this, but retain the rights to using his scripts with or without permission. He accepts that he was one of the over-commissions (this is quite common in TV) but 'a little honesty about it would have been nice'. He also hints that McFerris' 'triumphant return' to Series 3 'supports much of the gossip I heard about his feelings on the direction of the second series'. In conclusion, Wildfoot has thrown 8 months of his career away, has pittance to show for it, and his credit rating and industry clout have collapsed.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 16:22

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

marktheando posted:

I just watched Children of Earth and the first couple episodes of the one with Bill Paxton.

Bill Pullman, although Bill Paxton would have been great.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 20:49

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

jivjov posted:

I am still convinced that Miracle Day was plotted as a 5-chapter mini series like Children of Earth was that got ballooned to 10 episodes at the directive of Starz or whatever premium network it was they had partnered with

That�s exactly what happened, yes. There�s a general feeling the order for more episodes came very late in the day, when the original 5 scripts had already been more or less done., because the padding episodes are very easy to spot. The plane episode, the one in the McMansion. Anything where the action just stops.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 11:14

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

This is a shot from upcoming movie Doors. Looks pretty familiar. :thunk:

<TWAAAANG>

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 11:17

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Open Source Idiom posted:

The plane episode is hilarious as gently caress though.

Only in a �this is some terrible writing� kind of way.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 12:48

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Have they had Omar Epps back yet?

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 20:27

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Rhyno posted:

Mekhi Phifer.

Oh my god. :doh:

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 22:10

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 03:11

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

CommonShore posted:

Whats the current timeline for more new episodes

Yeah, they were filming back in December, but then the national lockdown hit, so everything's pretty much on hold right now until ????

# ¿ Mar 5, 2021 17:14

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