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ilmucche posted:What is rating players? I've never heard of that before Rating is just how much does this guy bet per hour (and how much did they play). Your comps depend on it. I always thought the floor shared in the tips! That's not the standard?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Oh, another thing about digital slot games; you know how you spin, and can stop the spin earlier than it naturally takes to stop? Some people think they can strategically stop it but that's not true. The outcome is determined the moment the initial spin starts, so stopping it early is just a shortcut to what was already going to happen. You can even tell, because if you look carefully at most games when you stop a spin, you'll see the symbols quickly change the moment you do that. Yup. You're not stopping the reels, you're just skipping the cinematic. The outcome of the spin happened when you pressed the spin button, the rest is theater.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:13
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Some are Linux, most are Windows. I think 7 but I can't remember for sure. Most of the ones we had, anyway.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:15
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Grand Fromage posted:Some are Linux, most are Windows. I think 7 but I can't remember for sure. Ours were all Linux, I'm pretty sure.
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Booyah- posted:have you ever seen a physical fight between players, or what's the closest it's gotten? There's been a few fights but typically it's mostly idiots posturing. The only real good fight I saw was when this rear end in a top hat player that everyone hates needled this older guy snapping and the following exchange happening. Older guy: "God just shut up, it's a miracle how you haven't had the poo poo choked out of you" rear end in a top hat: "Stand up and try" Old guy: "gently caress it" *gets up, walks around the table and starts choking the dude* Everyone in the room was sad to see the old guy go but the rear end in a top hat was much quieter at the tables from there on out. Also since he was mentioned I have a James Woods story too! He's a horrible racist person on twitter but when I've dealt poker to him he's a really friendly guy who absolutely loves talking about himself. But one day I had to use the bathroom between tables and while I'm sitting in the stall I hear someone come into the next stall and I instantly recognize the voice. James Woods then proceeds to take a very loud poo poo that he seemingly commentates during "Oh man!" "wow!" "I'm sorry everybody, this was a long time coming!" He washed his hands. Thats my James Woods story.
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TheJunkyardGod posted:
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Jan 17, 2021 23:49
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TheJunkyardGod posted:There's been a few fights but typically it's mostly idiots posturing. The only real good fight I saw was when this rear end in a top hat player that everyone hates needled this older guy snapping and the following exchange happening. Lol at that James woods story. I’ve seen one fight at a poker table, these two guys kept getting into it with each other, one of them was bald, and one had John Stamos in Full House style hair. Mr Stamos started just running his hands through his hair to piss baldy off and it worked, the bald guy stood up tipping his chair over and ran around the table and landed a few punches lol. The house took him away for about 15 minutes then just let him sit back down and keep playing. The other dude was super shook and was basically silent the rest of the time.
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Baddog posted:I always thought the floor shared in the tips! That's not the standard? I think tip sharing is the standard now, but it wasn't always and some casinos still don't have it. The thinking was that without tip sharing each dealer is incentivized to be as friendly as possible to earn themselves that money, and to discourage dealers from just zoning out on the floor. In practice it turns dealers into assholes who compete with each other, and players picked up on the bad vibes. I think it also drives down dealer retention, which is always a concern. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Jan 18, 2021 00:11
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I watched a guy have a heart attack at the poker table and die and then the floor called my name to take his seat after they stretchered him out with a covered sheet.
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jase1 posted:I once watched a guy Now that's a sick beat. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Jan 18, 2021 02:47
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I'm stuck in a janitorial position due to internal politics - can't transfer elsewhere because they consider me irreplaceable. Grand Fromage posted:Security gets the real good stories there. As a tech I spent as much time as possible not interacting with customers, thank christ. All this is just the tip of the iceberg. We've had poo poo in just about every possible place it can wind up, but the worst I can recall is a woman who threw up massively in one of the restaurants - then demanded that I dig through it looking for the piece of glass she insisted had been the cause (no evidence of glass was ever found). After a flat refusal from me and the manager she insisted on summoning, we threw away everything but the table - silverware, dishes, everything. quote:The food's real bad. Generic deep fried poo poo, I assume all frozen from some supply company, warmed up incorrectly. Not interesting, just bad institutional food. At ours, most of the stuff in the low-end restaraunts is pre-cooked commercial that they just throw in a fryer or oven to warm it up. Our better restaurants are actually made on-site.
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Jan 18, 2021 03:41
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Adar posted:I worked at PokerStars' corporate HQ from ~Black Friday until 2018, AMA I think it was you who made a post here called "GET YOUR MONEY OF NETTLER NOW!" this was a good 3 or so days before they stopped service to American players. Thanks if it was you, saved me a bunch of grief at the time.
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I worked for approx 2 1/2 years at Crown casino in Melbourne. I was a Table Games dealer and when I left I had 3 major games, (Roulette, Baccarat, and Blackjack. In the order I learned them), also all of the minor games like Carribean Stud, Sic Bo, Rapid Roulette etc. It was a horrible soul destroying job that I am glad to be rid of. Apart from a tonne of bullshit mundane stuff that would be better told by others who enjoyed their working time at the casino, I only have 1 big story of the time I was physically assaulted at work. Long story short: drunk dude on Rapid Roulette loses almost all of his money and cashes out, but doesn't realize he has cashed out, so when a couple of spins later one of the numbers he was betting comes up, he blames me for taking his money. He then climbs in the pit and grabs me by the neck as I try to keep him away from all the chips. Nobody helps me, until a passing security guard notices and guides the man back to his seat. He then swears at the security guard which gets him kicked out. (The swearing, not the physical assault.). I then have to write a report on the incident. They try to make me go home and without pay for the rest of the night, but I manage to get them to pay me for the rest of the shift. The next day at work they roster me on the exact same rapid I was attacked on, I tell them that that is not going to happen, the pit boss gets lovely and asks why, and when I tell him he huffily tells me "well, you should have told us about this earlier." And a week or so later, in my break time, I get approached by a dude in a suit I have never seen before, saying he is from Casino Surveillance, and that in a building with more than 200 cameras, they can't find footage of the incident, so please don't sue us. This was about 15 years ago, and I don't work there anymore. Although to my eternal shame I continued to work there for another 6 months or so.
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Jan 18, 2021 05:10
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Christ. The one time we had anything close to an assault on an employee at my casino outside of the bathrooms (where surveillance can't see), there were six cops on the guy before he moved a foot.
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TheJunkyardGod posted:James Woods then proceeds to take a very loud poo poo Yeah, he was weirdly friendly-- he'd say goodbye to all the dealers after he got knocked out of the tournament and he really annoyed at least some of the dealers. At the time I thought it was weird and sad (especially since Videodrome is one of my favorite movies and he seemed washed up), but apparently poker was keeping him somewhat sane. I'd also be curious to find out what casino employees thought about card counters-- I did that for a couple of years and have a feeling that 90% of employees were oblivious to it except in places that really sweated any kind of action.
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We had a banned guy try to claim a jackpot last night. He said his ID was in the car so he went outside, gave his clothes to his friend so the friend could come in and try to claim the money. It didn't work and they tried this two more times - same clothes, different people
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Jan 18, 2021 11:41
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Adar posted:I worked at PokerStars' corporate HQ from ~Black Friday until 2018, AMA Out of uhhh pure curiousity, does the pokerstars client look for vpns running client side?
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RapturesoftheDeep posted:I'd also be curious to find out what casino employees thought about card counters-- I did that for a couple of years and have a feeling that 90% of employees were oblivious to it except in places that really sweated any kind of action. I dealt black jack for a couple months between colleges, and even from that short time I had a good feeling on if a player was counting or not. Basically: if someone's been betting table minimum for three hours and then starts betting table max towards the end of a shoe, most dealers are going to guess why. This goes double if they actually win. No one gives a poo poo, though. It's exciting to watch a player get one over the house, and counters tend to be good tippers besides. Just don't be an rear end in a top hat, and don't be so blatant that dealer can't feign ignorance.
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Yeah, we were happy for people when they hit jackpots. It's not my money, I hope everybody in here takes home a pile of cash from the giant faceless corporation. Doesn't affect the lives of us employees either way. I'm sure management cares but the actual front line employees? Not getting paid nearly enough to give a poo poo.
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One for the (ex-)dealers that I've never understood and thought was childish and disrespectful: how do you handle - and/or how does the house tell you to handle - the psychos who think you're "bad luck" or the ones who just keep loudly grousing about being dealt poo poo by you all night? I get that some of it can be lighthearted banter but I've seen some serious ones too. And some that'll yell at a floor manager about it, hoping for a change I guess? Just completely bonkers superstitions.
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One of the more common reasons customers yelled at me is somehow I ruined their luck or set the machine to make them lose. I just ignored them. As a tech I was one of the few employee categories that didn't get a customer service rating, so as long as I didn't like, tell customers to go gently caress themselves, it wasn't an issue I had to deal with. E: I annoyed a customer into leaving me alone once when they were complaining we had installed Cleopatra themed games and Cleopatra on the art was white. I droned on and on and on about Makedonian history until he just said "sure" wandered off. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jan 19, 2021 |
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I've had to make a call to the maintenance department where I informed them that one of our elevators was cursed, due to a customer refusing to use it. Kept sending it down trying to get another one. I've been verbally attacked by somebody who was angry that I cleaned his lucky urinal. This mostly just serves as fodder for our regular "worst customer" discussions. At ours, unfortunately, there are no employees that didn't get customer service ratings in the Before Times (they're currently suspended due to COVID). Even our slot techs are audited for CS.
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Grand Fromage posted:One of the more common reasons customers yelled at me is somehow I ruined their luck or set the machine to make them lose. Dominion Software employee spotted
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tetsuo posted:One for the (ex-)dealers that I've never understood and thought was childish and disrespectful: how do you handle - and/or how does the house tell you to handle - the psychos who think you're "bad luck" or the ones who just keep loudly grousing about being dealt poo poo by you all night? I get that some of it can be lighthearted banter but I've seen some serious ones too. And some that'll yell at a floor manager about it, hoping for a change I guess? Just completely bonkers superstitions. You smile and deal honestly, and when your breaks come you try and discretely let relief know that they're getting an rear end in a top hat. If they really look like trouble you might get the floor a heads up, but it rarely gets that bad. One player grousing isn't usually that big a deal. You're playing with several people over the course of a night, a player really has to be trying hard to make a lasting impression. The casino I was working at was having trouble retaining dealers, and this meant that they were good about backing up their dealers in the rare case something like that did get rough. This usually meant relocating the dealer to another pit and bringing in someone else, but they were willing to escort guests out if they got nasty enough. I know not all casinos are as good about that. I've heard horror stories from dealers who used to work in Atlantic City.
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RapturesoftheDeep posted:Yeah, he was weirdly friendly-- he'd say goodbye to all the dealers after he got knocked out of the tournament and he really annoyed at least some of the dealers. At the time I thought it was weird and sad (especially since Videodrome is one of my favorite movies and he seemed washed up), but apparently poker was keeping him somewhat sane. Last time I played at his table he was emboldened enough by the rising MAGA tide and other MAGA people at the table to start talking politics. Cringey, but he kept it pretty low key, definitely nicer than his twitter! Also definitely nicer than the berating i took from an autistic lady that very same day for flopping top two pair against her top pair.
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Commerce Poker Tables... so many people were superstitious they would demand 'card' washes all the time and if that didn't work out they demanded a new deck (make sure they're washed too). Then people getting into arguments about it. I didn't play much at The Bike but I imagine similar things happened there.
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Schwarzwald posted:counters tend to be good tippers I'm glad to hear this, the online forums for counters back in the day were obnoxiously anti-tipping and were shocked that I would budget for it. One other question-- is there a lot of employee drama in casinos? I worked in a lot of restaurants/bars back in the day and there were constant hookups/breakups/feuds.
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Nothing tilts me more at the poker table than someone asking the dealer to wash the deck
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TheJunkyardGod posted:Also since he was mentioned I have a James Woods story too! I also narrated some of my shits before, cant lame the guy there
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Back in 2006 James Woods had a online poker skin (forgot for what site) and one day I go to their site and something looks familiar. I check the source code and the webmasters for his site had stolen my code for use on his site. The code was to fade an image in and out. Anyways I was pretty miffed about it but figured I couldn't do anything about it, so I told my coworker about it for a laugh. Apparently he told one of our lawyers about it and then the lawyer came up to me, "uhh so they... stole something?" I then basically had to explain what it was, and then I had to explain why it probably wasn't worth the trouble. Anyways, James Woods is an rear end in a top hat. Also some dude on his web team that he probably paid is also an rear end in a top hat.
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What are some of the more outrageous or even clever ways people have tried to cheat and how were they caught?
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BiggerBoat posted:What are some of the more outrageous or even clever ways people have tried to cheat and how were they caught? This is a good question, I need this answer.
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BiggerBoat posted:What are some of the more outrageous or even clever ways people have tried to cheat and how were they caught? I suppose there's some clever things we haven't caught but honestly most players attempting to cheat are not nearly as clever as they need to be. Alot of previously banned players seem to think since they have to wear a mask that we won't recognize them even though they do the same dumb poo poo that got them banned in the first place. Going North/South is the most common thing we catch at the tables. Poker players might not pay attention to the dealer when they tell them it's their turn to act but they always seem to know how much money everyone else at the table has at all times. If they notice it and tell us the cameras see it every single time. One player came up to me and said he thinks two kids were texting each other at the table. I stood behind the one player, who looked at me for a second and then still texted his friend what cards he just looked at. Live poker is still beatable because these players just aren't that smart.
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TheJunkyardGod posted:I suppose there's some clever things we haven't caught but honestly 1. most players attempting to cheat are not nearly as clever as they need to be. 1. What did they do? 2. Like what? 3. I don't know what that is? What is "going North/South"? Playing poker in teams and pretending to be strangers like in Rounders? 4. What does that accomplish? Isn't that just smart play? Sorry...Not trying to press you here (heh). I don't pretend to know much about gambling and don't go to casinos but I enjoyed those "Breaking Vegas" shows on A&E (I think it was) where they talk about the MIT team and the dudes that invented that slider mirror thing for the slot machines. Counterfeit chips that led to Vegas putting...well..."chips" in the chips. poo poo like that. I have to imagine that the backwoods amatures in the small town spots come up with some really funny redneck scams that they think nobody ever thought of before and then get rolled/bounced in hilarious ways.
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going north is when you try to add additional chips to your stack above the table limits. going south is taking chips off the table.
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There was a group of Albanians who used to cheat playing pot limit omaha at the Hard Rock in Tampa. They must have been paying off the floor staff because it became incredibly obvious after only a few sessions and regulars would just stop playing with them except, yet the floor still let them play or just kicked them out for the night despite the protests of regulars. Eventually, people stopped playing in the room altogether and eventually a new poker room manager was installed after I guess it got elevated to someone up the casino food chain. The example that I know for sure happened is having the nut flush blocker and using it to bluff people with smaller flushes. This is normally a valid tactic, but they would actually signal each other somehow (we never determined how, probably just subtle movements or w/e). Say the final board was unpaired with 3 clubs. What would happen is an Albanian guy with just the ace of clubs would bet, some poor sap would call, and then a third Albanian with a random hand would raise pot, the Albanian with just the ace of clubs would then reraise, knowing that the sap can't be holding the nuts and would just have to fold every time, effectively stealing this guy's money. We knew this happened because on more than one occasion we asked the dealer to expose the mucked hands and sure enough, one Albanian would have the ace of clubs and the other would have random garbage, which would never happen unless they were specifically cheating. I was also told some other fishy stuff would happen like signaling when someone had aces and intentionally bloating the flop preflop with raises or calls depending on their seat positions in order to either collect dead money or get all in preflop heads up as a favorite. I never saw this actually happen but people I trust told me about this. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 19, 2021 |
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My favorite cheating story is a friend of mine was playing at a casino in the Philippines. The casino has a rule you have to speak English so the dealers/security know what's going on but it's not super enforced. My friend is an American dude and is playing at a table with a bunch of Koreans, who are all telling each other what cards they have in Korean. My friend plays the dopey foreigner, but at this point has lived in Korea for a decade and is fluent, so he just listens to the cards and bets accordingly. After winning way more than enough to pay for the vacation he takes his chips, bows, thanks the table in Korean, and leaves. There is a certain "and that dealer was Albert Einstein" quality to the story I admit, but I have never known this dude to lie about anything and it's 100% the kind of poo poo he would do. He has more than once been drunk at 5 AM and wanted to go to the casino, but the nearest one is in Busan and trains aren't running, so he just takes a taxi to a whole other city and pays triple fare.
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BiggerBoat posted:1. What did they do? 2. For whatever they were previously banned for. Abusive to players/staff and cheating mostly. 3. Strong Sauce explained it but we had one player that would drop a 5 dollar chip in the metal cupholder or bounce it off the table and then quietly sneak a black or green (100 or 25 dollar) depending on what he already had on the table. He was caught when he tried it not too long after winning an all in vs a player and that player remembering the chipcount from a few hands earlier. 4. It is smart play to know what people have but the cheaters tend to assume that since half the table is on their phones or watching the game that they won't notice things.
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Grand Fromage posted:My favorite cheating story is a friend of mine was playing at a casino in the Philippines. The casino has a rule you have to speak English so the dealers/security know what's going on but it's not super enforced. My friend is an American dude and is playing at a table with a bunch of Koreans, who are all telling each other what cards they have in Korean. My friend plays the dopey foreigner, but at this point has lived in Korea for a decade and is fluent, so he just listens to the cards and bets accordingly. After winning way more than enough to pay for the vacation he takes his chips, bows, thanks the table in Korean, and leaves. MY INEVITABLE DEBT and I had a similar experience where we were playing like fairly high stakes (like $30/60 NL equivalent or something) on a chinese app with a bunch of players who were just incredibly obviously colluding but terribly, like you would normally not want to play with just blatant cheaters but they were playing like 80% vpip and stuff, just impossible to cheat hard enough to recover from. Anyway, they kept doing moves where one would bet, you'd call, the other person would raise, and then the original bettor would shove, to try and force you out of the pot. They did this a couple times and it wound up with him ending up calling the shove with like second pair for like a $10k pot, and then the OTHER GUY CALLED WITH WORSE. That part I really have no idea what happened but it was pretty insane. Maybe he has the actual hand history and can post it I dunno, I can't remember the specifics so it's not the best story but the hand looks completely insane by itself if you just see the hand history. edit: ok he linked me the hand history (this is in yuan not $ even though it says $) https://www.weaktight.com/h/5c2d3727d3904361508b48cd I had remembered some of the details wrong but the guy called off the last 10k yuan with 64o lol Stefan Prodan fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Jan 20, 2021 |
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