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While living in China I saw a thousand instances of that sort of thing, I believe it.
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Strong Sauce posted:going north is when you try to add additional chips to your stack above the table limits. going south is taking chips off the table. For folks who are really not versed in poker, let me enhance this explanation a bit. In poker, the size of your chip stack matters a lot. If you have more chips than another player, you can "put them all in" by wagering as much or more than they have left, at which point they must either go all in, or resign the hand by folding. This is a dominating position which reduces the small stack's ability to do things like play aggressively against you if he thinks you're bluffing. You can use your advantage to bully players with less chips off of hands that might have beaten you at showdown. The implication if you call even a small raise from you is that you can pile in big raises later in the hand, and they may already be "pot committed" by then, unable to resign and forced (by basic strategy) to lose the rest of their stack. As your stack becomes short (compared to the blinds and antes), it becomes increasingly important to get your entire stack in. Bleeding away your stack on blinds while you fold over and over gives you less and less ability to stay in the game; other players can easily call your raises because your raises are very limited in chip size (or implied future re-raises aren't possible), and that means you are less and less able to win hands without playing all the way to a showdown... which means you simultaneously need to wait for monster pocket cards, and also need to hurry up and get your chips in! Basically, being short-stacked can narrow the amount of leeway you have for superior skill to win out, and it starts becoming a purely luck game where you hope to shove in with a modest hand and then win as others happen to have nothing that hand and fold, or win via lucky community cards at showdown. Your raises will usually be called, so you can't bluff as effectively, and you also can't wait for dozens more hands to be dealt great pocket cards. Given that most everyone at the table knows this is the situation for short-stacked players, a player with a small stack who shoves all in pre-flop may induce calls from weaker than usual hands because those players assume you have a wider opening range (which you should, if you understand basic poker theory). If you could wind up magically having more chips than everyone thought you did, and they don't realize that until after they've called your shove, this means your good hole cards are more likely to induce the calls you want (in order to double or triple up) vs. the surrenders you don't want (which only win you the blinds & antes). So you can see that there's potentially reasons why you might want your stack to magically get larger or smaller, especially mid-hand. Get dealt pocket kings, and sneak a black chip into your small stack as you shove all in, and the other players, thinking your stack is smaller than it really is, call you and then find they're risking more than they thought, and are behind on the cards as well. Alternatively, find your stack is getting short but you hate your cards you're being dealt, why not slip a few more chips in to delay the point where you have to shove with anything. Or, want to put an opponent all in and your stacks are close to the same size but you're under a wee bit, add to your stack before you shove and maybe they call more readily. Tables may have rules about re-buys etc. that allow you to get more money on the table, but one rule that is always the case is you can't just sneak chips into or out of your stack. Everyone at the table has the right to ask how many chips you have at all times, and good players keep a mental tally of roughly how many chips every other player at the table has.
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Jan 20, 2021 02:03
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So has there always been this much collusion/cheating in poker, or is it new? I played an awful lot from about 2008 to 2013 and it wasn't anything I heard much about (apart from one guy who was sneaking counterfeit tournament chips into the Borgata and got arrested right away.)
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Jan 20, 2021 03:34
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I worked at Borgata during that time and basically yes but it wasn't a huge deal then or really now since people typically get caught right away. The chip scandal was very much not normal for standard cheaters. For example I had a player paint a white chip black and thought it was a good idea to try to pass at the table. Cheating will always be there in some form and 99% of the time its dumb.
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Jan 20, 2021 05:24
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Thanks. I was mixing up Narth/South with what I think is called a "press" in blackjack.
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Jan 20, 2021 13:05
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Biggest winner/loser from my time working at a local card club here in California as a supervisor. Its a 10 table casino of just card games. If you are familiar with Califonia rules, one company controls the money and the casino controls the dealers, collecting a per seat fee. I work for the money company. I work the early morning shift (5am-2pm), I see a regular playing on the "high roller" baccarat table, its a $100 per hand minimum bet. I think this is the first time I've ever seen this regular at this table, the regular normally plays ~$20-$40 per hand. The worker at that table is a little stressed, she just got back from having a baby, and the regular is up $40,000-50,000. As the money company there is a sense of pride and bragging rights when you work at a table and you are money positive for the day. After lunch I head home, the regular is now up $150,000, betting thousands of dollars per hand. After I get home I text my co-worker, curious about this regular. The regular is up over $250,000 now. Next day I head to work, and I see the regular still at the table. Talking to the shift workers, the regular went up over $350,000... but as always... given a long enough time, the house always wins. The regular has lost it all, and now has added $10,000-$20,000 additional funds and are just down to a few thousand.
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Jan 20, 2021 19:29
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One of the things you don't get until you work at a casino is how addicted some people get. When we mention regulars, we're often talking about people who are at the casino every single day. Show up in the morning, stay all day, go home (presumably?), repeat. Forever. Also people will stay in the casino for ages. We ask them to leave when they fall asleep on the machines, but one of the few times I got asked to deal with a customer was a lady who was falling asleep repeatedly on a machine and pretending to not speak English, so they called me over to ask her to leave in Mandarin. She was dragging around a set of free luggage the casino had given out two days previously. Hadn't left yet. I'm sure Strip casinos get these guys but I think they're more common at the smaller casinos that aren't really catering to tourists.
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Jan 20, 2021 21:08
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we have a crowd of the same 4 people who play the ponies from the moment we open until the last non harness track closes. they've apparently been here every single day for the last 5+ years. i wonder where my regular crowd from Palms landed since that spots closed indefinitely 
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Jan 21, 2021 02:10
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Stefan Prodan posted:MY INEVITABLE DEBT and I had a similar experience Is this a weird word filter for MY GIRLFRIEND or something, or are you referring to a goon? Edit: guess it's not a word filter. Testing: MY WIFE Edit 2: huh...
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Jan 21, 2021 03:01
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Is this a weird word filter for MY GIRLFRIEND or something, or are you referring to a goon? It’s the username of a goon who also posts in this subforum
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Grand Fromage posted:One of the things you don't get until you work at a casino is how addicted some people get. When we mention regulars, we're often talking about people who are at the casino every single day. Show up in the morning, stay all day, go home (presumably?), repeat. Forever. Also people will stay in the casino for ages. We ask them to leave when they fall asleep on the machines, but one of the few times I got asked to deal with a customer was a lady who was falling asleep repeatedly on a machine and pretending to not speak English, so they called me over to ask her to leave in Mandarin. She was dragging around a set of free luggage the casino had given out two days previously. Hadn't left yet. There's been a few times on the day of a big giveaway that I've had customers come in very early "because it will be really crowded later and we wanted to get it out of the way". Quite plainly the thought of simply not coming in that day never occurred to them.
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Jan 21, 2021 03:44
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For anybody answering this, what was the largest jackpot you recall someone winning, regardless if it was cashed out and stopped or pissed away 10 minutes later? Other side of that coin, what was the single largest sum of money lost/cash deficient you know about or recall from a single gambler, like anybody remarking about being down 50 grand in one day?
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Jan 22, 2021 19:04
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Largest jackpot I saw was like $30,000something. I saw a computer record of a guy who'd lost $600,000.
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Jan 23, 2021 00:44
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I won a bad beat jackpot 6 years ago for just under 100k. When the casino opened in Cleveland I watched a guy lose almost 60k in less than 30 mins at the blackjack table. I saw him in the diamonds lounge later and found out he was part owner of some law firm in Cleveland.
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Jan 23, 2021 01:54
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EorayMel posted:For anybody answering this, what was the largest jackpot you recall someone winning, regardless if it was cashed out and stopped or pissed away 10 minutes later? Biggest I've ever seen was $180,000 on a $200 bet. First spin, the guy walked out after. Biggest loss I ever saw was a guy who was losing at $5000/hand blackjack for an hour before he tried to smash the table.
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Jan 23, 2021 01:58
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Gnoman posted:Biggest I've ever seen was $180,000 on a $200 bet. First spin, the guy walked out after. Much respect. When I lived in Vegas I'd usually hit a slot machine on my way into the casino, one night I stuck in a dollar and won like $250 and just went home immediately. Blew it on a couple hellacious sushi meals that were much better than giving it back to the house.
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Jan 23, 2021 02:08
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jase1 posted:I won a bad beat jackpot 6 years ago for just under 100k. When bad beat jackpots get really high, how much does it change how people play? People staying in hands, pretty sure they lost and staying in because losing becomes +EV. Does it start to get pretty crazy because people with qualifying hands refuse to fold?
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Jan 23, 2021 02:38
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Oil! posted:When bad beat jackpots get really high, how much does it change how people play? People staying in hands, pretty sure they lost and staying in because losing becomes +EV. Does it start to get pretty crazy because people with qualifying hands refuse to fold? Man, last time I was at venetian they had a weird high hand thing every hour, and all the tables were just full of people playing "high hand", not poker. Should have been really exploitable, but goddamn these old fuckers are lucky as hell. Like 7 or 8 people to the river every time, will call almost anything. I think you get looser as well (just not every loving hand) and then try to rip the pot away on the river, but goddamn they were making monsters every time on me.
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Jan 23, 2021 02:56
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The game I played in was a 5/10 with all the same 40 or 50 players. It didn’t change the play much. Most of us forgot about it because it hadn’t hit in almost 2 or 3 months and I was playing a lot of PlO which didn’t qualify for it.
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I've read some (don't worry I have no interest in doing it, nor do I take it at face value) guides to playing bonus slots that basically chase the large "nobody won" bonuses which seems, like most ways to possibly gain an advantage gambling, like an incredibly tedious amount of work with a lot of risk. I don't know if that's really a thing or the stuff of internet "buy my guides!!!" legend but all I can imagine are more of the same desperate people swearing "this one was about to pay out!" while they fight over it.
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Does anybody else have any first-hand stories of more good luck rituals before making a bet? I can't stop thinking about the OP's account of someone squatting in a chair and slapping a slot machine with prayer beads 
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Jan 23, 2021 20:55
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The most common involves tracing the pay lines on the screen while muttering nonsense. I've seen a lot of these good-luck spells.
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Jan 23, 2021 21:21
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What's it like living on the Isle of Man? As a married guy with a kid, IOM was great. It wasn't very exciting, but it took five minutes to drive to work and there was plenty of nature type stuff to do. It got old towards the end, but I have no regrets. Single people had...different opinions. Nothing shady went on unless you count rakeback percentage going down over time, but passing from Isai (a single owner) through three different corporate entities took a toll. That said, if I played poker again, I'd still play there. Baddog posted:Out of uhhh pure curiousity, does the pokerstars client look for vpns running client side? It very much does. Don't try this; thanks to a DOJ consent decree PS takes looking for Americans incredibly seriously. atarirob posted:I think it was you who made a post here called "GET YOUR MONEY OF NETTLER NOW!" this was a good 3 or so days before they stopped service to American players. Thanks if it was you, saved me a bunch of grief at the time. Happy to help. Hopefully some people listened when I said the same thing about Mt Gox shortly after 
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Jan 24, 2021 01:53
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What was in place to stop employees cheating in pokerstars? E.g. if they had the ability to look at other players cards.
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I don’t gamble and haven’t stepped foot in a casino in probably 20 years, so apologies if this is a dumb question but what mechanisms are in place to stop someone counterfeiting chips? They look relatively easy to mass produce in China and then sell to people who would sell to people who could then exchange them in casinos.
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Jan 24, 2021 04:56
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Redczar posted:I don’t gamble and haven’t stepped foot in a casino in probably 20 years, so apologies if this is a dumb question but what mechanisms are in place to stop someone counterfeiting chips? They look relatively easy to mass produce in China and then sell to people who would sell to people who could then exchange them in casinos. I could be wrong but I think they all have RFID in them nowadays? Maybe that’s only some casinos/for large events
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Tetramin posted:I could be wrong but I think they all have RFID in them nowadays? Maybe that’s only some casinos/for large events I think its like green and up now? Kinda painful to pass off a ton of counterfeit reds.
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EorayMel posted:Does anybody else have any first-hand stories of more good luck rituals before making a bet? I'm a gambler, not an employee, but when playing craps, I always tap the dice twice on the felt before throwing them, with either yoleven or hard ten showing. At pai gow poker, I always squeeze my cards open one by one and wish for specific ones to come up. At hold 'em, I almost always play K7 hearts and 68/79 of diamonds. The little old ladies from my grandparents' church who went on bus trips to AC in the 80s all had troll dolls, which they swore brought them luck on the slots.
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Oil! posted:When bad beat jackpots get really high, how much does it change how people play? People staying in hands, pretty sure they lost and staying in because losing becomes +EV. Does it start to get pretty crazy because people with qualifying hands refuse to fold? Playing 1-3 we were preflop and UTG has his $600 or so chips racked and is ready to leave, playing his last hand. He raised to 22, it gets folded to the button who raised it to 75. Folds back to UTG who ponders for a really long time and finally calls. Flop comes Ad Kc 9c, UTG bets 100 and the button immediately shoves for roughly another 150 on top. UTG doesn't even think about it, folds a set of kings face up, pick up his rack and walks away. The button turned over his cards and actually did have the set of aces. 65k that set of kings could have won if that last king hit, 2 chances at it or about 5% (we talked about it for quite a while after, and no one folded the K). That's like 433 to 1 payout getting about 20 to 1 odds to win, and on a bet that he should probably be calling regardless, and he just walked away. I wouldn't say I was distraught but I was certainly 5% chance at a table share sad.
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Redczar posted:I don’t gamble and haven’t stepped foot in a casino in probably 20 years, so apologies if this is a dumb question but what mechanisms are in place to stop someone counterfeiting chips? They look relatively easy to mass produce in China and then sell to people who would sell to people who could then exchange them in casinos. I worked at Borgata when they had the controversy with counterfeiting chips during the 1 million guaranteed tournament and the only way it was caught was when they did an audit of chip counts in relation to the buy ins. I saw the chips and they were pretty flawless. And even then they only caught the guy because he's been so busy and broke his hotel room toilet trying to flush the extra chips (despite being walking distance from the Atlantic Ocean) As for live chips, the cage has more scrutiny on higher denomination chips so you better be passing good fakes or something is gonna notice something is up.
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TheJunkyardGod posted:And even then they only caught the guy because he's been so busy and broke his hotel room toilet trying to flush the extra chips (despite being walking distance from the Atlantic Ocean) counterfeiting chips is like playing poker: you don’t want an almost-flush 
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Redczar posted:I don’t gamble and haven’t stepped foot in a casino in probably 20 years, so apologies if this is a dumb question but what mechanisms are in place to stop someone counterfeiting chips? They look relatively easy to mass produce in China and then sell to people who would sell to people who could then exchange them in casinos. There was an episode of Breaking Vegas that covered this and I think the guy finally got caught when they started putting microchips in the...well...in the chips.
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Jan 24, 2021 13:25
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What was in place to stop employees cheating in pokerstars? E.g. if they had the ability to look at other players cards. This ability literally doesn't exist in the server/client stack. I was one of the people who had access to full hand histories (strictly controlled, and accessing any high profile accounts would immediately trip some red flags) but the server would only store hands once they had been completed. There were and are many further checks on real money play of any type; when I happened to occasionally need to test RM features, it would always be at 1c/2c tables and I could count on an internal security email if I ever accidentally won a hand, since we were always supposed to fold. Incidentally, PS has a bigger internal security department than some sites have running their entire poker room. I suspect there's a strong divide between businesses with that type of internal culture and ones without it, but personally, I doubt anyone I worked with would have even imagined cheating players. That said, the sheer amount of people emailing us about our "broken RNG" was so large that it was one of the very first email templates created when the site launched. Instead of rake, we could probably have sustained a workable business by collecting a nickel per rigged email received. Some of those people were probably gonna yell even if we spread tic tac toe.
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Redczar posted:I don’t gamble and haven’t stepped foot in a casino in probably 20 years, so apologies if this is a dumb question but what mechanisms are in place to stop someone counterfeiting chips? They look relatively easy to mass produce in China and then sell to people who would sell to people who could then exchange them in casinos. The silly chip story I have from my days at the casino is: At the training school where they train the dealers, they didn't let us train with real money chips, but ones of a similar colour but clearly lower quality. They still had "crown" printed on them, but to anyone used to playing in the casino, they were clearly "fake". There was an incident, which happened a little while before I started training, where one of the trainee dealers had pocketed some of the training chips after training, (coz they were never highly guarded. Who cares if you walk away with some worthless pieces of plastic?), and gone to a prostitute and paid her in these "casino chips". When she came in to the cashiers cage the next day to cash in her earnings, she was met with a bunch of angry higher ups demanding to know where she had got those chips and when. And whilst she had done nothing wrong, she never got paid either. The dude that did it never finished his training. Unrelatedly, I'd also like, if I may, to ask a bit of a racist question. When I worked at Crown, more than 80% of our clientele were Asian, (usually Chinese, Vietnamese, or Malaysian). Was it the same in US casinos, or other places that others have worked? This is on the main floor, I only worked a couple of shifts upstairs in the high rollers room.
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BrigadierSensible posted:When I worked at Crown, more than 80% of our clientele were Asian, (usually Chinese, Vietnamese, or Malaysian). Was it the same in US casinos, or other places that others have worked? This is on the main floor, I only worked a couple of shifts upstairs in the high rollers room. A major clientele in the north eastern US casino I worked were Asian casino tourists. They were largely, but not exclusively, Chinese.
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Mine wasn't due to location, but there is a reason why the vast majority of slot themes are Chinese nowadays. The most disproportionate I saw were in Korea, since it's illegal for Koreans to go to casinos (unless they work there) the clientele is pretty much just Chinese tourists. It's very popular, and gambling's illegal in China too except Macau so to hit casinos they have to travel.
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Grand Fromage posted:Mine wasn't due to location, but there is a reason why the vast majority of slot themes are Chinese nowadays. The most disproportionate I saw were in Korea, since it's illegal for Koreans to go to casinos (unless they work there) the clientele is pretty much just Chinese tourists. It's very popular, and gambling's illegal in China too except Macau so to hit casinos they have to travel. Wait what can you unpack this a bit more? Korea has casinos but Koreans aren't allowed to gamble in them?
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CommonShore posted:Wait what can you unpack this a bit more? Korea has casinos but Koreans aren't allowed to gamble in them? Yeah. There's not really anything else to unpack. It's illegal for Koreans to go to a casino, but Korea has a number of casinos to fleece tourists. Koreans can't even enter them unless they're staff, you have to show your foreign passport to security at the door. E: Googling around it looks like there is actually a single casino Koreans are allowed to go to, it's kind of in the middle of nowhere while most of the casinos are in Seoul/Busan for tourists. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangwon_Land) Koreans are allowed to play the ponies at the horse tracks though, and the lottery is big. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. There's not really anything else to unpack. It's illegal for Koreans to go to a casino, but Korea has a number of casinos to fleece tourists. Koreans can't even enter them unless they're staff, you have to show your foreign passport to security at the door. Well then
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