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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


MonsieurChoc posted:

CD is a fun forum were people over-anayze movies. Sometimes someone comes into a thread to poo poo on whatever movie and then are surprised that there is pushback. They then blame the forum and never return.

Many such cases!

Nah it sucks.

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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The fact that a guy who reads wikipedia summaries for movies he hasn't seen up and poo poo ups good threads hasn't been run out on a rail means the sub sucks rear end.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


No it's still that way. In the Boys thread it took someone until Stormfront started gleefully murdering minorities in an apartment building to realize the character was racist.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Danger posted:

The gun running explanation always made the most sense to me

The being a weird loner who was losing more than he gained and went out in a mass casualty suicide event like the vast majority of mass shooters always made the most sense to me.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Adam Lanza had spreadsheets of mass shooting events categorized and printed out long before he did what he did.

Felix has a tweet that resonated with me about how if Rotten Library was still around they'd have a great write up about Paddock.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I went through the autopsy results when they came out and I wanna say only one fatality (it wasn't more than a couple) was struck in the head and the vast majority were only hit once. Tumbling bullets are real deadly when they hit center mass. One unlucky person was hit only in the leg and died. There were a poo poo ton of people boxed in.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 26, 2021

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Yeah he hit the tanks twice:

quote:

Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock fired at jet fuel tanks near the concert site where he killed 58 people and wounded more than 500 on Sunday night.

A 43,000-barrel fuel tank was struck by gunfire on Oct. 1, McCarran International Airport spokesman Chris Jones told the Las Vegas Review-Journal on Thursday. That night, Paddock used his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino to fire onto an unsuspecting crowd at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival.

...

“One round penetrated Tank 202, which was partially filled with jet fuel,” the airport statement said. “A second round was found lodged within the same tank’s outer steel shell, and did not penetrate. This tank was subsequently evaluated by experts who found no evidence of smoke nor fire.”

I haven't listened to it yet but I'd dread a Port Arthur episode if they think Paddock was accurate.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 26, 2021

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The manufacturer of the Bushmaster Adam Lanza used to murder 20 kids reported record sales of it that quarter (they were eventually bankrupted by one of those leveraged buyout deals that killed Toys R Us so gently caress em).

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


You don't recognize the Dersh?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The Kingfish posted:

I’m currently reading “Case Closed” by Gerald Posner, which was written as a refutation of the JFK-CIA conspiracy. It’s an interesting read and honestly contains some details that temper my conviction of the Agency’s involvement—the principal of which is Oswalds apparent life-long vocal adherence to Marxism. Oswald apparently read Kapital while in high school and got kicked out of a classmate’s house for spouting off on his love of communism.

No real explanation for Demohrenschildt’s relationship with Harvey, and George’s connection to the CIA is hand waved away with like one paragraph of bullshit explanation. The author also claims that Demohrenschildt was a leftist. Also no convincing explanation for the CIA address provided on Oslwad’s Fair Play for Cuba Comittee fliers. I haven’t gotten far enough in yet, but I’m certain it won’t meaningfully address Jolly West’s involvement with Jack Ruby. Should be interesting to see how condescending of a tone Posner takes w/r/t Jolly’s involvement with MK Ultra.

Oswald’s youth and record in the marines make him come off as more of a patsy from day one than a knowing asset. He seems like the Cold War equivalent of the mentally challenged guy who gets coerced into action by an undercover agent.

Case Closed has some errors in it - Reclaiming History is much better in the realm of "Oswald acted alone" camp and goes over errors Posner made. It's stupidly long though - the first couple hundred pages are a recounting of the assassination written as narrative non-fiction so that section is easily skipped and I'm not sure why it's even in the book.

In my younger years I was a believer in the conspiracy (as most people are generally and the film JFK came out when I was younger) but I don't think it holds up to scrutiny. Certainly makes me feel like the odd one out when it comes to internet leftism.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 17, 2021

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Apart from hiding Saudi government involvement the "official story" is how it happened. I don't fault anyone for believing in the Kennedy conspiracy and I don't find it implausible as a concept really I just don't think the evidence is there. The only people I totally dismiss are the ones that get into the obviously false stuff like second gunmen and poo poo.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 20:59 on May 17, 2021

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


They're called repatriation loans and he'd never formally renounced citizenship (despite taking a bunch of actions which made it clear he desired to do so).

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


JFK is a great movie but it's so bad in terms of the facts that believers in the conspiracy even comment on that.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


lmao I had no idea Finkelstein would call up to whatever radio show Joan Peters was appearing on to promote From Time Immemorial. What a legend.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Someone uploaded an old Chapo clip from when Theranos started to collapse and it's funny having Will ask Noah Kulwin if Homles's voice is fake because when Theranos was on the rise I felt like I was on crazy pills because nobody mentioned it and it was so obvious to me.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Mandrel posted:

it’s so funny that there are apparently people in this thread and presumably elsewhere who both listen to trueanon and also unironically believe the official jfk story/chaos is “cia fanfiction”

I don't see why that's inconsistent even as someone who does "believe" the "official story".

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I liked the old conspiracy theory about bin Laden being an American CIA agent named Tim Osman. Didn't have a lot of legs but the photoshops were funny.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Danger posted:

The bin Laden family and Osama Bin Laden specifically are/were 100% cia assets

The conspiracy theory was that he was an American CIA agent named Tim Osman. It probably never gained legs because he was actually affiliated with the CIA in reality.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


TenementFunster posted:

they really need to stop booking idiots as guests

Kinda comes with the territory.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


It wasn't.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


3 percent of American adults own half of all guns.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


His accuracy wasn't insane. Though the same kind of thinking led to Port Arthur massacre conspiracy theories since Bryant hit so many people in the head at the cafe (ignoring that people sitting are all around the same level).

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


TenementFunster posted:

fragmentation was a factor in the RFK

Now you've done it

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


It's really funny to be like this in this thread.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Slanderer posted:

this is 99% of major news stories now lol.

It's such a weird thing to bring up because Sutherland Springs happened a month later and it was the fifth deadliest and I dunno if that lasted a day in the news.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Slanderer posted:

No joke, I dont even remember that one at all

Yeah I doubt most people do. Just a regular day in America.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Mandrel posted:

late on this but to me the biggest thing that makes me believe something was going on with Mandalay is that it was the biggest shooting ever by a white conservative dude during a media climate that loves fixating on shootings yet absolutely every media outlet had basically memory holed it within like, a week.

I honestly could buy the crazy boomer goes out with a bang narrative if it weren't for that. but the fact that everybody was like uh paddock who Mandalay what almost immediately is a huge loving tell

I brought up Sutherland Springs which was one of the worst mass shootings (it's top 10 in terms of body count I'm pretty sure) happened a month later and someone responded they'd totally forgot that happened.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Seams posted:

Sometimes I think the complete failure to reform gun laws following sandy hook took the wind out of both the anti gun and pro gun sails. Everyone kinda realised the status quo was not going to change, at least federally.

Yeah Sandy Hook was the end of gun control in this country. Thought maybe it'd be our Dunblane but I was naïve and people love their lethal toys more than they love children.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Yeah I remembered that bit because it was the most memorable part lol at people champing at the bit to Bust Rodd.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


They keep repeating the hilariously wrong number of self-defensive gun uses per year so it is a bit surprising they never tried it with Sutherland Springers so I do have to chalk it up to everyone forgetting about it an hour after it happened.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


TenementFunster posted:

you’re right on Killa Kyle, but Arbery’s killers (probably) arent getting away with that poo poo, even in demon cracker nation. Zimmerman was at least lucky enough not to film himself hunting down and killing a black kid

I really really hope they bag the guys that lynched Arbery. It's the only time I've been angry enough to email someone - the ex prosecutor or whoever that told the police that they acted in self defense based on the evidence and advised them not to arrest. Then the video dropped and I don't know if I've ever been more angry in my life and I had to track down his email and tear him a new one. Doubt he read it but that poo poo was mind-meltingly infuriating.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


TenementFunster posted:

that prosecutor absolutely needs to be subject to a non-actionable parody in the world of minecraft. absolutely incredible.

Yeah I didn't go quite that far in case they somehow tracked it back to me but I wanted to. I almost messaged his son because I thought it was him at first because I couldn't find the email but eventually got it.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Rainbowbeard was likely joking because I was shocked when I first saw Liz and she wasn't blond.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Bust Rodd posted:

I think Brace & Liz have simply completely avoided talking about COVID on their conspiracy theories podcasts, and I’m so grateful for that.

Red Scare took up the slack :)

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I've listened to the Richard Epstein ALAB like a dozen times. Feel like him and Dershowitz were created to birth new antisemites. It was extremely funny when he quit twitter after melting down in the Isaac Chotiner interview.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The Boston bombing was the real 9/11 because it happened in a real city.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I won't lie I was surprised when Liz wasn't blonde.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


"former guest of the Adam Friedland Show" lol Norm is the man.

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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I'm putting my money on it being Ackman because he's been melting down worse than I've seen anyone.

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