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kingturnip posted:Labour's infantile obsession with focus groups and political consultants is entirely because they've misunderstood how Blair won elections. this post should be framed imo - it encapsulates why labour is a loving lost cause justcola posted:I wonder who people are who end up in focus groups. 
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I was actually pretty much just spitballing but I like your interpretation, so I'll go with that. I do believe that Labour under Blair were much more actively shaping the national agenda, instead of just reacting to events initiated by the Tories as Starmer does. Put even more simply, in the runup to '97, you got the very clear impression that Labour were confident of winning and actively preparing for government while today the leadership shows this consistent lack of nerve that turns people off from them.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Good thread summarising the BBC'S 'mistakes' from 2019 that just happened to be in the tories favour. The 0.6 / 0.06 thing seems like it might have been an honest mistake but remembering some of the others, especially the question time stuff, made me go a bit Rafael Behr. A year later and I'm still angry
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Feb 1, 2021 11:41
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1965917 posted:A year later and I'm still angry anger is a gift, comrade
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Feb 1, 2021 11:54
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1965917 posted:A year later and I'm still angry Doesn't even include the famous Kuenssberg tweets about punches being thrown by Labour activists that turned out to be completely fabricated.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I was actually pretty much just spitballing but I like your interpretation, so I'll go with that. I do believe that Labour under Blair were much more actively shaping the national agenda, instead of just reacting to events initiated by the Tories as Starmer does.
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Feb 1, 2021 11:58
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Rupert of Hentzau posted:whereas Keir Starmer is Gordon Brittas. You take that back! Gordon Brittas stood for something and had a dream 
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Feb 1, 2021 12:30
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Jose's mate just on radio 4 being gently caressed about Bellingcat funding sources. What
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Feb 1, 2021 12:37
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Just had my first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech/Mojang/Starbucks vaccine an hour ago. Not dead yet, but not a gay frog yet either. Nope, nothign. Second appointment in April assuming that they haven't replaced all the vaccines with vials of expired milk drizzled down Boris's syphilitic cock by then. Dead Goon posted:Gordon Brittas stood for something and had a dream
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Feb 1, 2021 12:42
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The Perfect Element posted:Doesn't even include the famous Kuenssberg tweets about punches being thrown by Labour activists that turned out to be completely fabricated. Haha, remember when someone had a go at Boris in a hospital and kuensberg found his twitter and said "here he is!"
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Feb 1, 2021 12:43
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Dead Goon posted:You take that back! Out of morbid curiosity I just googled "what does Keir Starmer stand for?" and the first result is a BBC news article which sums it up quite well: quote:Labour leadership: What does Keir Starmer stand for? - BBC ...
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Feb 1, 2021 12:44
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Is this shameful cancel pylon culture or is that just when Ash Sarkar does it?
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Feb 1, 2021 12:45
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Feb 1, 2021 12:51
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Niric posted:Out of morbid curiosity I just googled "what does Keir Starmer stand for?" and the first result is a BBC news article which sums it up quite well: Kier's busy talking less, smiling more.
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Feb 1, 2021 13:00
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blunt posted:Kier's busy talking less, smiling more. Pfft. Burr tried to conspire with Mexico against the US and start his own country. Keith doesn't exactly have that level of zeal
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Feb 1, 2021 13:05
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blunt posted:Kier's busy talking less, smiling more. He's making more but enjoying it less.
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Feb 1, 2021 13:06
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Necrothatcher posted:The child grew up to be Toby Young, so I'd say the results are inconclusive. Look that ape might have bitten off my nose, soiled itself and then flung the poo poo everywhere, but I bet the chimpanzee isn't doing too good either.
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Feb 1, 2021 13:12
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They spent so much energy and probably money loving over the labour left so even if they discovered that yes, the british public would actually really like leftist policies, they can't anymore. Their choices are gently caress around in the middle committing to nothing or move right chasing the tories. We're so blessed that they have currently decided to merely be useless centrists. Remember, leftism is now anti-Semitic. Can't backtrack now.
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Feb 1, 2021 13:13
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Interesting piece about Sky News https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...research-finds/
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therattle posted:Interesting piece about Sky News To which I would say - yes, but now do the BBC
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Feb 1, 2021 13:18
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lol i didn't realise Hodge set it all off. She was so loving mad he beat her at a debate years ago jfc https://twitter.com/troovus/status/1355928971674849287?s=20
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Feb 1, 2021 13:35
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blunt posted:Kier's busy talking less, smiling more. During the BLM protests didn't Stammer say that "this is not a movement, just a moment." So obviously he watched Hamilton, but took all the wrong lessons from it. 
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Feb 1, 2021 13:43
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Shortly before doing the performative kneel and then whingeing about statues, yes.
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Feb 1, 2021 13:44
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Feb 1, 2021 13:45
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Did someone lock all the EU politicians in a room over christmas and pipe in some sort of gas that makes people into pillocks?
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Feb 1, 2021 13:50
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EU big brains look at a big whiteboard of potential future problems, land on 'Irish reunification'. "Insinuate you're in league with Rome again," says one, "this will go over very well."
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Feb 1, 2021 13:53
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Something something might be a French (or Belgian or whatever) saying? Seems a bit silly given the context though yeah.
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Feb 1, 2021 13:56
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what the gently caress lmao
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Feb 1, 2021 14:04
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Niric posted:I pretty much entirely agree with you, and your effort posts about Labour's factional history are always appreciated, but I'd query your reading of this: I'd gloss Gould's adventurism as genially tolerated intellectual dishonesty in service of something a reasonable observer would have agreed to be, in the balance of evidence, probably true - but not unambiguously provable in the context of a vicious intraparty battle where every scrap of countervailing evidence would be seized upon as a debunking. It was not enough for the party marketing studies to merely agree with two decades of BSAS trends; it had to be really unanimous. And so it was, with some helpful prodding. Such focus group data, some of better quality than others, was critical during New Labour's ascent in rallying supporters to the confidence would victory would eventually arrive after the shock of 1992 it's important to remember that before Blair actually won, large swathes of the Left genuinely did not think that the Great Moving Right Show was working, even as electoral strategy. Labour being crushingly defeated in 1992 was merely the wages of failing to speak up for the class that had cried out for a champion in the poll tax riots &c - certainly not a sign of an electorate basically reconciled to Thatcherism with the most confrontational aspects filed off. Conversely, two defeats in (and the second one even more resounding than the first), voices on the Labour right were somewhat more circumspect about forecasting imminent victories or tying oneself to any inconveniently immobile masts, no matter what the long-term trends in polls appeared to suggest. In 1995 itself - in between Blair's initial salvo as leader to reform Clause IV in the 1994 Conference and his eventual success at the next - there was a brief nationalist-populist moment when the Tory press - the Telegraph and Mail included - rallied against privatization and broke news stories on scandalously high directorial pay at formerly nationalized industries. And Blair ("Until those companies are properly regulated in the public interest, they will continue to be seen, rightly, as the unacceptable face of privatization") promptly turned like a weathervane, because Gallup and MORI were suggesting some appetite for nationalization. It would only be once the public lost interest that the party returned to banging on the drum of reform.
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I don't think people in the continent are that well versed in the troubles or the causes thereof, or if they are, it's distant enough in their heads they don't make the connection.
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OwlFancier posted:Did someone lock all the EU politicians in a room over christmas and pipe in some sort of gas that makes people into pillocks? Maybe there's some ancient curse, that one country in the EU has to be run by total pillocks, and now that the UK has left, it's trying to find the new victim.
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hooman posted:Maybe there's some ancient curse, that one country in the EU has to be run by total pillocks, and now that the UK has left, it's trying to find the new victim. Interesting theory, only scuppered by looking at the current governments of probably every single EU country
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lmao I actually quite like this as a complete poo poo-posting answer
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Feb 1, 2021 14:12
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Feeling blessed to live in the green zone lol https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1356203389630218243?s=19 Somehow I feel this is under representing the vast network of British tax havens, but I am not a Forensic finance freak
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Barry Foster posted:anger is a gift, comrade It's the gift that keeps on giving until you die Try jokerfication instead imo, the UK is funny as gently caress
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Feb 1, 2021 14:14
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someone forgot about bovril
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Failed Imagineer posted:Feeling blessed to live in the green zone lol It's not really. British-linked tax havens are heavily used in the finance/asset management industry as places to hide funds and personal wealth, which isn't what that map is showing and isn't the engine of the biggest global tax avoidance. The really massive crimes are in the way multinationals shift profits around and very little of that runs through the UK. It's all driven by the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Ireland. Particularly the Netherlands which somehow retains a reputation as being an excellent global citizen despite having an economy that's constructed almost entirely on the most rampant multinational corporate tax avoidance imaginable.
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DesperateDan posted:someone forgot about bovril  
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Failed Imagineer posted:Pfft. Burr tried to conspire with Mexico against the US and start his own country. Keith doesn't exactly have that level of zeal The point of the character in the show being that Hamilton is absolutely right to say that he doesn't stand for anything and is a vacuous career politician. Which works up to a certain point, but once you hit cabinet / leadership positions you need to actually put forward positions and be seen as leading. Then in act 2 he sees how successful Hamilton gets by playing dirty and tries to emulate it, and absolutely eats poo poo because Hamilton, despite being politically ruined after his affair, is so much better at playing that kind of game. And it drives him completely nuts. But yes, the Hamilton version of Burr definitely has some interesting parallels with Starmer's 'play it safe' politicking.
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