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nah just kidding, it's great. Have fun.
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Barry Foster posted:Speaking as someone who also has asthma and is under 60 - you aren't going to have to worry about getting your vaccination until autumn at the very earliest anyway, which is plenty of time to ensure you are properly registered If they keep up the current pace* (or rather half it to allow for second jabs) then the entire over-16 population should be done by the middle of Autumn **. Realistically I'd be very surprised if it were impossible for someone in a non-vulnerable group to get one by late Summer, and I'm quietly optimistic we'll hit the 60% magic number***** by Autumn. * This is unlikely for a lot of reasons I've gone into but it's not impossible, and I think it's a useful enough rough number **current rate is 2.5m a week, half that is 1.25m a week, 54m over-16s, that's 43 weeks so mid-October*** - the target is 4m jabs, or 2m completed vaccinations, a week**** so that would be July *** I've played very fast and loose with the numbers here because I can't be bothered properly accounting for the first jabs already given and am just assuming we started at this rate on 1st Jan, but gently caress it it's still more rigorous than any number that comes out from behind a plinth at 5 o'clock **** If they actually achieve this for just one week, let alone sustaining it for a couple of months, I will have to put my hands up and say that that's genuinely impressive. Like I said before though, once you get outside of the vulnerable groups takeup is likely to slow right down regardless of actual capacity **** (Should have numbered these footnotes really) This is assuming that the 90% efficacy isn't too badly hurt by this bullshit 12-week delay between jabs; if it turns out we actually need 70% or higher uptake to get to herd immunity then we might start running into serious problems next winter.
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therattle posted:That reminds me: there are some very plausible vaccination phishing emails purporting to be from the NHS going around. Yes. The big clue is they ask for a credit card number from what I've heard.
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Feb 1, 2021 16:05
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goddamnedtwisto posted:it's still more rigorous than any number that comes out from behind a plinth at 5 o'clock
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Feb 1, 2021 16:09
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goddamnedtwisto posted:**** If they actually achieve this for just one week, let alone sustaining it for a couple of months, I will have to put my hands up and say that that's genuinely impressive. Like I said before though, once you get outside of the vulnerable groups takeup is likely to slow right down regardless of actual capacity Why would it slow? Once you're outside of the vulnerable groups you're into all the people who have far fewer issues with getting to vaccinations centres etc, I'd have thought that at least to begin with take-up will improve if anything.
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Feb 1, 2021 16:10
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Regarde Aduck posted:nah just kidding, it's great. Have fun. Thanks!
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Feb 1, 2021 16:12
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I think the issues raised last time were younger people not having regular GP contact and also getting the right vaccine to the right people at the right time for the second shots is a lot harder than throwing anything you have at anyone who turns up.
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Feb 1, 2021 16:13
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Once you move out of the retired and at risk demographics it'd going to be a real bugger getting people into daytime slots when work is open and insisting they come in instead.
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peanut- posted:Why would it slow? Once you're outside of the vulnerable groups you're into all the people who have far fewer issues with getting to vaccinations centres etc, I'd have thought that at least to begin with take-up will improve if anything. A couple of reasons. By that point the lockdown will have been eased, we'll be into spring/summer, and the general tone will be "well it's all over now". Also vulnerable groups at the moment are being told when and where to turn up, rather than having to make a positive step to take to actually book a jab. Loads of people will say "Oh yeah, I'll get round to that next week", and once the worried well get done I suspect a big chunk of the population just won't bother.
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Feb 1, 2021 16:41
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I am sceptical of that. Once it's open access (if that's how it will be worked), you could open vaccination centres 24/7 and have them full every minute of the day for a good while before you get through all of the people who are desperate for this imo People do want to go back to normal and this is their ticket to it.
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peanut- posted:I am sceptical of that. Once it's open access (if that's how it will be worked), you could open vaccination centres 24/7 and have them full every minute of the day for a good while before you get through all of the people who are desperate for this imo Like I say, we're into summer by then. Deaths will be back down to the dozens, the government and their stenographers will be telling us that we've beaten it, and people will just forget the last year. Look at how many people *right now*, with >1000 deaths/day, are actively resisting or just not bothering with the most passive prevention. You think the people who can't even be arsed putting a mask on are going to go and get a needle stuck in them? Twice?
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If the idiots want to euthanize themselves I have no particular quarrel with that. As long as I can get the thing and the infection rate stays low enough not to pose a significant risk to the people I care about then the people too stupid to care can do what they want.
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OwlFancier posted:If the idiots want to euthanize themselves I have no particular quarrel with that. As long as I can get the thing and the infection rate stays low enough not to pose a significant risk to the people I care about then the people too stupid to care can do what they want. Problem is that statistically unless an awful lot of those idiots get jabbed we aren't going to manage herd immunity and the vulnerable will still be at risk Getting vaccinated doesn't give you an impenetrable spell of virus warding (as you no doubt already know)
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keep punching joe posted:ahahah cry more She's an oxygen thief
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he's becoming a parody of himself https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1356242615310688259?s=20
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Bobby Deluxe posted:People who've been contacted about vaccines - how did you get contacted? Text from your GP surgery? Letter? text from my surgery
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Jose posted:he's becoming a parody of himself that's not on, mate that's well out of order!
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Jose posted:he's becoming a parody of himself He couldn't even get through that short clip without expressing how much he agrees with Tory MPs.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:that's not on, mate This is an outrage!!
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"Down with this sort of thing," Kier urges Boris; "Careful now."
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Barry Foster posted:Problem is that statistically unless an awful lot of those idiots get jabbed we aren't going to manage herd immunity and the vulnerable will still be at risk *except insofar as it makes people more likely to be asymptomatic, which itself reduces - but does not entirely prevent - transmission
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Classic Scottish Labour. https://twitter.com/chaoswithkeith/status/1356286605812760577
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Just saw an ad on facebook from our local leisure centre full of images of old people - then I realized it was targeted at over 60s - then I remember, that's me.   I saw a former labour colleague while I was out for my walk this afternoon and she said there are quite a lot of them in the local party 'hanging on by the skin of their teeth' about leaving. She said at the last zoom All Member Meeting, they were treated so badly (she didn't say why - as I'm no longer a member she didn't want to say so I didn't push it - I'll find out from another contact eventually - I imagine they were not allowed to speak, muted etc as I've been told before) that a few quit immediately afterwards.
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Barry Foster posted:Problem is that statistically unless an awful lot of those idiots get jabbed we aren't going to manage herd immunity and the vulnerable will still be at risk Correct me if I am wrong, but even if you have gotten the vaccine, all it does is means that if you contract the virus you are almost certain not to die from the disease and unlikely to get sick. But that you can still spread the virus to others. So if that was the case that even after you got the jab, you should still wear a mask when outside to prevent you spreading the virus to someone who isn't vaccinated.
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Borrovan posted:The current evidence is suggesting that the vaccine doesn't actually do much to stop trasmission,* so herd immunity is a looonngg way off I guess the million dollarpound question is if post-vaccination 'asymptomatic' means 'no symptoms' or if it means (as it has thus far) 'no obvious symptoms, but enjoy your brain and heart damage lol'
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"A national taskforce". It's just so... limp.
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Pistol_Pete posted:"A national taskforce". It's just so... limp. It's cold ok
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Barry Foster posted:I guess the million dollarpound question is if post-vaccination 'asymptomatic' means 'no symptoms' or if it means (as it has thus far) 'no obvious symptoms, but enjoy your brain and heart damage lol' I thought OxfordAstraZeneca tracked the data unlike the US ones and confirmed that theirs at least even prevented asymptomatic cases.
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Just learned some quite interesting things about UK meat production from arguing with some dipshit on twitter so thought I'd share them here - they're quite interesting especially in light of the "school meals"/UK Hunger fiasco recently: https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1356216793384120321?s=20 This is what made me look into it. I'd heard these figures before but what he's given here is actually a best case scenario: Cows require somewhere between 6x and 25x as many calories from feed as they produce to eat according to various studies. Anyway, some tool was arguing "These figures aren't meaningful! Animal food is not human food!" but did you know that 3+ million tonnes of wheat, barley, oats and maize are fed to animals yearly in the UK? And another 3 million tons of soya? That's enough calories, if we just ate them directly, to feed over 14 million adults for a year (at 2500kcals/person) - so if you say all of that is being fed to chickens, it's effectively wasting half (or more) of those calories, or food for 7+ million people. Not only that but around the UK imports most of that soy, and around 1m tonnes/year of it are from sources that contribute towards deforestation (mostly in South America). Around 90% of soybean meal produced worldwide is fed to animals btw. Just thought that was interesting.
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Barry Foster posted:lmao The EU has been fully dedicated to shitposting ever since May. It's all Britain will get, ever.
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WhatEvil posted:Just learned some quite interesting things about UK meat production from arguing with some dipshit on twitter so thought I'd share them here - they're quite interesting especially in light of the "school meals"/UK Hunger fiasco recently: I mean, yeah anyone who does like GCSE biology would probably understand that, the food you eat every day isn't stored as mass it's converted to energy to allow you to do things like maintain your body temperature and move. The same is also true of animals, some of it is converted to mass but most of it is not, it's just keeping them alive.
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It's interesting, but is it useful? It kinda leaves itself open for arguments of "but the purpose of food isn't just to get calories into you in the most efficient way possible". You could just as well argue that the pig isn't *wasting* two thirds of the calories, it's *using* them to make them taste of pork. Even ignoring the basic ethics of "to meat eat or no", maybe we really do need to start thinking of food that way... calories are energy, and current global energy is unsustainable, lower the footprint any which way. People in other countries shouldn't suffer to make our calories taste nice, either. But, like, it's wildly optimistic to think that looking at the numbers is going to convince people who don't already basically agree. Don't get me wrong, they're stark numbers and they're important, I just wonder if as an argument they're actually *persuasive*.
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Convex posted:Starmer is somehow less convincing as an effective opposition leader than Ed Miliband, how did this happen i think it might be because ed behind the new labour waffle seemed like a quite likeable person whereas keir is quite obviously a complete oval office
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WhatEvil posted:Anyway, some tool was arguing "These figures aren't meaningful! Animal food is not human food!" but did you know that 3+ million tonnes of wheat, barley, oats and maize are fed to animals yearly in the UK? And another 3 million tons of soya? That's enough calories, if we just ate them directly, to feed over 14 million adults for a year (at 2500kcals/person) - so if you say all of that is being fed to chickens, it's effectively wasting half (or more) of those calories, or food for 7+ million people. The problem is that you're wrong and the tool is right. We can't do accurate math on how much food we waste, because pure calories is a meaningless number for any purpose but burning the food. To do that, we need to figure out the proportion of incoming food from sources that humans cannot digest. This does include various grasses on arable land, because the grasses are necessary to prevent long-term soil erosion. Then you need to figure out how much of the feed is made from sources that wouldn't survive transport or are ill-suited for human consumption for other reasons. And how many of the animals are slaughtered when you run out of feed that would spoil otherwise. Then you need to figure out the difference in protein content. Only then do you have the information to make a decent guess, saying we're wasting half of the calories fed to animals is just plain wrong. Now, on average, every country in western world eats way too many animals to be anywhere near optimal production, yes, but there's a point where eating more animals would help fight both hunger and climate change better.
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endlessmonotony posted:Now, on average, every country in western world eats way too many animals to be anywhere near optimal production, yes, but there's a point where eating more animals would help fight both hunger and climate change better. That's the salient point of your post though, isn't it? Maybe there is a point where eating more animals would be better for people and the environment, but if so that point is *far far below* currently levels of meat consumption. Also if we're getting into the "it's more complicated than that" thing (which yes, admittedly it is) I haven't even mentioned the vast amount of methane (a very very potent greenhouse gas) produced by cow burps and farts, as the environmental impact goes.
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