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kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Labour's infantile obsession with focus groups and political consultants is entirely because they've misunderstood how Blair won elections.
They think it's because he triangulated and focus-grouped everything to death, when actually it's because he Human Centipeded himself to Murdoch's arse and rode the coattails of tabloid approval. The focus groups and triangulation were red herrings.

And they're so comfortable middle class that there's never been a reason for any of them to have their own ideas about policies. They choose the policies that are popular, and they know that these are popular because the tabloids praise the Tories when they talk about them.

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kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
There's a Warburton's bakery not far from my house and the smell of freshly-baked bread is a cruel one if I'm walking home hungry.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Could reverse that: Sweden is one of the top 10 arms exporters and US social policy is poo poo. So Asshurts probably meant to say Scandanavian military and US social & economic policy.

I doubt the var of piss could even point to Scandinavia on a map (he'd probably hit Rochdale).
He comes across as one of those liberal cunts who thinks that the USA is something to aspire to, rather than - as most of the world sees it - something to nuke until nothing but glass or molten rock remains.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

british newspapers complete 100-lap wank

I assume Boris would celebrate Cpt Tom's life, but he's too busy celebrating his mother.

I also saw a few stories about other elderly people doing similar things, but they were neither white enough nor military enough for any of our fash press to give a poo poo about.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

This is awesome because everyone in a position of power within Labour is so loving thick that they need these regular reminders that the right-wing press will always prefer a proper Tory like Boris over someone just cosplaying

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Lord of the Llamas posted:

The competence is just to pure for any of us to handle.

Us regular folk just don't understand the political chess Keith and his crack team of consultants are playing

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Does anyone know of a reliable way of not charging myself up with static electricity everywhere I go.
It seems like every year, for a month or two, I'll get a shock from half the metal things I touch while just going about my daily routine.
Turn the tap on - shock.
Move my laptop - shock.
Brush the draining board as I reach for some cutlery - shock.
I've also shorted out some small electric/electronic devices by just touching a metal part of them.

It's really annoying, albeit barely painful, and if there's an easy fix it'd be nice to know it.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

josh04 posted:

Saw this bouncing around on twitter, local government zoom meeting from hell. Most of the drama's in the first five minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpYfSnSHHug

It was posted on the last page, but yeah, it's loving funny

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Fedule posted:

Can someone please explain what the gently caress happened in the Handforth Parish Council meeting? There's too much poo poo going on right now for me to pretend to know what the deal is with this on top of all the other things I have to pretend to know what the deal is with right now. Did Jackie Weaver actually have any authority here or what? Who's launching a coup on who? Who was and was not the chairman, the clerk and/or a proper officer? Please help, my family is dying

Part of the reason it's funny is that parish councils across the UK (and, realistically, everywhere else in the world) are full of petty tyrants like the Chairman/Clerk/PROPER OFFICER who end up in positions of power because everyone else agrees with them as a mechanism for shutting them up.
The reason they got Jackie Weaver (from the local authority) in was because the Chairman hadn't arranged a meeting of that particular committee since April, and someone obviously felt that getting the involvement of someone from higher up the food chain would be an official way of shutting the Chairman down and actually moving forward with the regular business of the committee. As people have pointed out, Jackie doesn't have any real power in regards to meetings, but whatever powers that parish council have would have been granted to them by the local authority, who would be able to take those powers away if they wanted to. So presumably, if things had gone completely tits-up in the meeting, Cheshire council could have just dissolved the committee although that would probably have been more hassle than it'd be worth.

The other reason - for me - that it's funny is that while 66% of the participants are taking this deeply seriously, there are 1/2 people recognising this for some of the pettiest poo poo imaginable and just laughing their arses off.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Anyway, it looks like the Government is floating the idea of making Andrew Lansley an even bigger gently caress-up than he already was by, uh, reversing a whole raft of decisions he made as Health Secretary.
Meaning that he - and Pigfucker - will have spent billions on reforms only to see them undone by their own party a decade later.

And, alarmingly, I'm at risk of praising something this government is doing. Although, it'll have to survive being watered down by the servants of the blood god currently sitting on the Tory backbenches.

[edit]
32 Tory MPs have sacrificed a poor person, exsanguinating them into a bath in which they lie - naked except for a loin cloth made out of copies of Atlas Shrugged - for several hours. This week. I heard it was 29 last week.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
The group who changed their name after the onset of the first Gulf War to avoid people linking them to the conflict have always been pretty left-wing.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
On an unrelated note, this popped up in my Google feed (bolding mine).

quote:

A council had “no regard for its responsibilities” to uphold a woman’s right to private life… when it entered her home without the legal basis to do so following safeguarding concerns, the Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman has found.
Dudley council social workers used a key safe to enter Mrs C’s property, without informing her beforehand, so that it could speak to her alone to investigate concerns raised about her son, Mr B.

However, the watchdog found it had failed to consider the women’s wishes not to speak to social workers or professional guidance on powers of entry in safeguarding cases, which says practitioners should use negotiation and persuasion first to gain access to individuals.
In doing so, it breached Mrs C’s wishes, caused her distress and failed to take account of its responsibilities under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights to uphold her rights to private and family life.

In February 2019, while looking into safeguarding concerns, Manager A, from the council, agreed that with Mr B and Mrs C that, if the authority wanted to make contact with Mrs C, it would make initial arrangements through her son.
Audio recordings provided by Mr B made clear that Mrs C, who received care at home, did not wish to speak to social workers at that time and that if she had concerns she would tell someone.

In May 2019, the council received safeguarding concerns from Mrs C’s carers about Mr B, which were referred to the multi-agency safeguarding hub (MASH). Because the allegations concerned Mr B, the council did not abide by the February 2019 agreement before seeking to speak to Mrs C, lest this increase risk to her or the potential for coercion or duress.

TL:DR version: social care staff are notified of safeguarding concerns regarding a vulnerable woman's son. They discuss these, agree that they should talk to the woman about them without her son being present. They visit the woman, letting themselves into her flat to do so, and the woman's son then complains to the Ombudsman that they caused his mother significant distress.

There's more detail in the article, but while I can see where the Ombudsman is coming from, this seems like it fucks with the ability of social workers to actually safeguard vulnerable adults. Does this woman's human right to be left alone in her home outweigh the legal requirement for social care staff to investigate safeguarding concerns? The whole thing seems really loving grim.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

i kept seeing reference to the Jason Lee picture and thought it was something to do with the guy from my name is earl

I thought it was funny when I was 12, but unlike David "poopoo" Baddiel, I have matured since then

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Communist Thoughts posted:

None of the parties give a single poo poo about small businesses despite them being a buzzword they all use, it's pretty funny.

Yeah, small business owners don't donate huge sums of money to political parties in exchange for favourable legislation or peerages down the line.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
If I accepted a caution for something I didn't do - just to make the filth go away - it would show up on any DBS checks run on me in the future, and potentially mean I could never get work in my chosen profession again (although that would probably depend on the nature of the offense).

If what you're being accused of is horseshit, then make the cunts work for whatever bullshit they want to slap you with.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

kecske posted:



"How I manage money"

*has nothing that needs managing*

So leeching off his parents, then?

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Most of the people who want to retire at 45 want to be able to fly around the world on endless dick-waving holidays and just do whatever the gently caress they want, which doesn't seem feasible on that sort of retirement income.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Failed Imagineer posted:

I never got the "drink takes a drink" part of that, reminds me of these ads you see on pubs



That would wake me up, because Guinness is revolting

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Jose posted:

i know its a bunch of right wing ghouls but all those could sort of be justified but loving lol at having the general secretary on it

"We need to make sure there's no political interference in these decisions, which is why we're putting the General Secretary on the board"

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

tbf that seems preferable to only allowing a super secret military/professional/noble class to commit crimes if you're going to allow people to do crimes.

I get what their actual objection is, but it seems like a very odd way for a socialist group to phrase it.

Brb, classifying myself as an intelligence source so I can commission an act of terror

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
It feels like a waste to have Annual Leave to take and nothing worth doing with it, but that's what my Steam Backlog is for.

I tend to go somewhere abroad each year, even if only for a week or so, but I didn't last year because it would have been irresponsible. The thing with people getting irate about it is that - as with everything else covid-related - is that there have been lots of people who've been irresponsible and faced zero consequences. I suspect most people know someone who's ignored travel restrictions because they wanted a holiday, or to see a relative, and seeing that while you're being told "you can't go away this year" sticks in the teeth.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
It's more likely he swerved to avoid running too close to a poor person and ran into a tree instead

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
You could flag it up to the GMC, though.
They're not the filth, but they are responsible for ensuring he's fit to practice. He won't lose his license, but it might worry him enough to encourage him to change his behaviour.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
I'm not going to suggest that all NHS staff need to strictly follow guidelines on pain of jail and/or having their professional registration revoked, but medics are in a different situation from, say, a Physiotherapist.
If for no other reason than that the government pays for their training. It pays for their basic training, and then it pays for their training in whatever specialism they choose get randomly assigned to. The Tories have hosed over most other clinical professions by removing bursaries and funding for courses, but doctors still get the bulk of their training - effectively - for free.
The 2018 pay deal hosed over most qualified staff, but doctors weren't included, and managed to get a much better deal from the govt than everyone else.

(Bear in mind that at the moment - as always - qualified nurses in hospitals are being supported by nursing students. Students who are paying £10k per year in fees so that they can be put at high risk of danger (and then earn £11.20 per hour for the privilege while they're on placement, so that they're insured in case they die).)

Basically, any UK-trained doctor working in the NHS is there because the taxpayer has paid for them to be there. Personally, I think that means they have an additional responsibility towards public health - and their contract will say something similar - so I take a dim view of those who decide that the rules don't apply to them. Would I shop someone I knew in to the GMC if they were breaching restrictions? It probably depends how much of a oval office they were being about it.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
I can't wrap my brain around the thought process that allows radfems to understand that 'societal/legal constructs are designed to disempower women...', yet creates a major block where '... which also happens to increasingly disadvantage people the further they diverge from a white cishet archetype' should also be applied.

Unless that process is "gently caress you, got mine/my book deal".

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

Might question the point of telling people who read the times that you're the best person for labour, though I suppose it depends who you want to tell that to.

It's because Starmer's crack team of political strategists have developed the following incredible plan:

quote:

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kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Having to do things differently at work because of covid is exhausting, because all of my contacts with service users are different. I had two weeks off at Christmas, and I'm already almost burned out.

But we still shouldn't open things back up again any time soon. What a terrible idea.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

peanut- posted:

Not gonna read the article but insurance based is not the same as for-profit or private. Most European countries use state insurance based healthcare systems, the NHS is an outlier.

Whenever anyone in the UK talks about an insurance-based system of healthcare, they mean "like in the USA".

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

"when you tell people to gently caress off for being racist you're actually denying them the opportunity to learn, which they are all definitely interested in doing" me: the world's biggest rube.

The biggest complaint this thread gets is that it's a closed shop, and that people not toeing the exact party line get hounded out before they even get any explanation about why their views are poo poo.
It's better now than it was 3-4 years ago - in part because the events of the last couple of years have tended to widen the ideological views some thread regulars hold - but it's still often the case that the first response to someone coming in with poo poo views is to assume they're either trolling, or an irredeemable oval office.

The point that guy is making in the video is that not everyone who holds x-ist views does so from a position of hatred. There are plenty of people who hold problematic views because it's the only thing they've been exposed to, and telling them to gently caress off in the first instance means there is no chance for them to change their views. That's not to say that everyone making n-word jokes could be put on the road to Domestos, but some of them can. And telling them to gently caress off just means they're never going to listen to you again.

And isn't like 75% of how far-right groups recruit members by being nice to them? Regardless of how racist the person is in the first place?

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

Yeah and then they go on to use that as evidence of you trying to cover something up, the point is to manufacture evidence to find someone to take the fall, not actually solve the crime. Why would cops care about solving crimes, crimes keep them in a job. If there aren't enough crimes they make them up.

A lack of crimes is not an issue the police face at the moment.
A lack of time to investigate crimes is an issue they face. The police rely on there being people who don't have the language/cognitive skills to understand or respond to their questioning to be able to get enough evidence to persuade the CPS to charge.
I do think that police officers would rather that the person who committed the crime be the person who's charged; but I think that without enough time/resources to properly investigate, they'll take an easy win, even if it means a miscarriage of justice takes place.

Also, there are lots of police officers who are just massive cunts.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Spangly A posted:

Starmer's a fish flopping around in the boat with no understanding of why he's dying or what to do about it.

Incorrect.

Kieth is fully cogniscant of the fact that fish have a need to be in the water to live, but is firmly of the opinion that fish could - in fact - live quite well on land if they learned to accept that water is commodity that cannot be guaranteed in this era of commercial growth, and Kieth is - in fact - allied to the very reasonable chaps who run the "watch 'em drown" programme of monitoring the number of fish who aren't able to make it back into the water on their own. At the moment, it's a perfectly acceptable number, but we'll make sure to put oxygen on notice if the number gets much higher.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
So basically, Labour's membership have deserted en masse and this is Starmer offering all three holes to business.
[edit]So that they can continue to pay the worthless shits at head office

kingturnip fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Feb 18, 2021

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Also it's presumably bad news for the Govt. If Uber now needs fewer drivers (because they'll have to pay them at least minimum wage, so there's encouragement to have as few as they can get away with), that's fewer people employed.
And I guess it opens the doors for similar cases from delivery drivers who 'work' for Deliveroo, Just Eat, etc.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

All it needs now is for Labour to get loving annihilated in an election and the Corbyn years are going to look like absolute paradise compared to this trainwreck.

The defense will be "We are still working to get out of the shadow of the anti-semitism that Jeremy Corbyn mired the party in and these results show that we still have work to do"

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
On a different note, is it weird to imagine how fun it would be if that Oprah interview Harry/Megan did includes chat about William's alleged affair a couple of years back?

I don't personally give a poo poo about the royal family, but the schadenfreude could be delicious.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

NotJustANumber99 posted:

The problem is with all this... So what?

Johnson was found in high court or whatever the gently caress to have acted unlawfully in proroguing parliament (was it?) and a million other things and no one cares.

The people involved in running those targeted smear campaigns don't have the same sort of protection that a Health Secretary or Prime Minister do, though.
If electoral offences were committed, the people responsible would presumably be on the hook for fines at the very least. It won't be anything major, but it's something and if it can be linked to Boris it provides ammunition to whoever steps into Keith's shoes when he's politically defenestrated.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

therattle posted:

I’m surprised this thread isn’t going to dismiss such data as being irrevocably tainted by ethnonationalism and immediately call for a boycott until another more acceptable country reproduces the results.

I don't often agree with Jose, but this is definitely a poo poo post and you should probably just gently caress off

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Josef bugman posted:

I mean the wine drunk at the time probably had to have water added to it. I think the Romans were forever complaining that the various different Celtic groups drank their wine "neat".

It was, if you had a bit of money. Most water sources near settlements were filthy for various reasons, so diluted wine was about as safe as anything else to drink

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

serious gaylord posted:

They're still saying they've got about 500,000 members, however given that you stay on the books for 6+ months when you've stopped paying your direct debit i very much doubt how true that is.

Maybe Labour's taking the same approach to membership that that one oval office who never checked the dedicated inbox for anti-semitism complaints did.

Some sort of 'Schrödinger's workload' thing.

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kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

CoolCab posted:

you have vanishingly little ability to influence policy or outcomes as a consumer but that does not mean you can abandon the boycott, one the handful of tools permitted to you in a capitalist society - you would be sitting in the front of the bus in Montgomery in response to

Then where do you draw the line? Do you say that you won't shop at any supermarket that has agreed deals with totalitarian regimes who repress minorities? And if there isn't another food shop in your town/village, is it ethical to shop there? What if there's a bus that runs to the next town over, but it's owned by union-busters and staffed by cunts? Is the moral decision to starve rather than engage with an ethically-distasteful organisation?

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