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Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

ToxicAcne posted:

Anybody have any good readings on Portuguese Decolonization (i.e Cabral, Angola and Mozambique bush wars, and the Carnation revolution)

What language are you looking for? I have some references, mostly in portuguese only.

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

ToxicAcne posted:

Anybody have any good readings on Portuguese Decolonization (i.e Cabral, Angola and Mozambique bush wars, and the Carnation revolution)

here's some of Cabral's speeches to international audiences
http://abahlali.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/amilcar_cabral_return_to_the_source-ilovepdf-compressed.pdf

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Hmm I was looking for English sources but it make sense that those would be hard to find.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

a mediocre pundit would just tell me that kipling is bad

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378744559266639883

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378745062469861378

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378745693687451651

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378746360812470275

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378746820214595588

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378747123789934592

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378747496369901569

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378748047027486724

a great one finds a way to convince me that orwell is bad at the same time

Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011
https://mobile.twitter.com/jkass99/status/1380670766342008833

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
that guy has just read a book for the first time and found out people didn't turn up at the frontline in 1914 and then spend the next four years solid sat in a forward trench, and also that there were other places than a few 100 miles of Belgium and france involved in World War I

i wish him well with his GCSEs

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/Viatcheslavsos3/status/1381609565041651714

horrified to learn that the russians fetishized their astronauts as national heroes something no non evil country would ever do

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
lmao that article rules

quote:

Gagarin's humble roots are a godsend for the Soviet propaganda industry. Born to peasant farmers in a small village near the western Russian city of Smolensk, Gagarin's village was invaded by the Germans when he was only seven years old; his family are evicted from their home and have to spend the next 21 months living in a mud hut. Yuri sabotages German equipment and is lucky to survive the war, though he spends several months in a hospital. He's a gifted student – especially in engineering and maths – but is no bookish wallflower – he's equally good at sports, and works in a foundry while studying. Later, after graduating as a military pilot, he flies MiG fighter jets in the far north of Russia, near the Finnish border. Out of hundreds of applicants, he is one of the first 20 chosen as the USSR’s first batch of cosmonauts.

The explanation the article chooses here is "wow they picked the perfect cosmonaut for propaganda about how the Soviet system encouraged social mobility". Another explanation is "the Soviet system encouraged social mobility."

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtifactsHub/status/1382281002794381317

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/kimmythepooh/status/1382845375673958405

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I've been reading Antony Beevor's "The Battle for Spain", on the civil war, and something that stood out to me was his characterization of the policy of Appeasement. The common narrative is that this is regarded as UK/French leaders backing down in the face of Nazi Germany's demands because they wanted to avoid war at all costs, because they're barely one generation out from The Great War and they don't want to start another one.

What Beevor alludes to is that Appeasement was also at least partially born of fascist sympathies: the Conservative government felt that the social turmoil rocking nations in the wake of the Depression (specifically, the general strike of 1926) could trigger either communist revolutions or fascist coups, and that they'd much rather have the latter than the former, and that they had a friendly sentiment towards Germany and Italy in this regard because they had actually managed to successfully crush the socialists and communists in their respective countries.

And then there was also this:

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

its very brief but at one point beevor gets into how this policy was sold domestically and profranco american business interests leaned hard on the catholic angle to convince politicians it was a bad idea to weigh in on the issue because franco loved catholicism and was basically jumpstarting a new catholic cultural era in spain and that catholic voters which were still a distinct bloc in america at this point would punish anyone who sided against franco

whats interesting is that in terms of polling data there was little to no evidence the spanish civil war was at all an important issue to catholics but on the rare occasion anyone did ask about it they supported the republicans by a two to one margin which might have been lower than the overall franco approval rating but was still so decidedly antifranco the entire talking point was basically just completely made up

its hard to appreciate today where the two are basically the same thing but the cultural industry and the regular industry of the thirties were often at odds with each other and the spanish civil war was one big example beevor goes into this on the spanish end a lot showing how the republicans were prioritizing propaganda victories to the point it was actively detrimental to their material interests they couldnt inspire people to not die of starvation

they were super successful at branding themselves as the good guys and international cultural thought leaders did all they could to boost this impression but it just didnt matter in the reality of an extended campaign which is why you get stuff like rick fighting for the republicans in casablanca being used as a shorthand for how he was a good guy this flew completely over my head when i watched the movie ages ago but your typical filmgoer at the time would have easily gotten the reference

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
spain in our hearts really goes into how american businessmen kept FDR from doing anything other than watching the movie hemmingway made on the war while floating franco $texas in oil and cash

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
iirc texaco literally arranged for one of their own oil tankers to be hijacked by the nationalists because the republicans had purchased its oil

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Raskolnikov38 posted:

iirc texaco literally arranged for one of their own oil tankers to be hijacked by the nationalists because the republicans had purchased its oil

I'm scared I won't be able to finish the book from how depressing it is

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Dreylad posted:

To be fair every nation has their myths like this. For a long time every French person of a certain age would claim they were part of the Resistance.
But do people born after the war claim this? 60 years ago is Yuri Gagarin in space, not Yuri Gagarin sabotaging the Nazis.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm scared I won't be able to finish the book from how depressing it is

lol this is exactly what happened to me

it's a lot easier to read his books about Stalingrad or Berlin because you know the fascists get owned in the end

I mean the leaders still die in their beds thirty years later, but at least they mostly do that in exile in South america and not as leader of their country

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


everything after 1848 is depressing as gently caress

everything before it is just the inexorable forces of history at work and is cool

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

hey now what about this story this seems like a happy story

https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035603164528644
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035613595766788
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035621703348226
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035625755045890
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035631538946050
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383047768755818500

now to take a long sip of coffee while i read up on what happened to the papuans after the war

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
loving lmao at Australia deciding to use the racial slur as the official name for the medals, classic australian

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/URDailyHistory/status/1384349604347404289

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/benpershing/status/1384515308774465537

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/oliverwkim/status/1385014928155631622

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

horrifying article about the italian genocide

https://twitter.com/Viatcheslavsos3/status/1387148053946290178

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


its interesting that the blob would jump to this conclusion since a couple of decades earlier rhee in south korea had enacted land reform and this was used to argue that he was responsive to the needs of the korean people when in reality this was just a response to the north korean land reform and still done in a half assed enough manner domestic and foreign analysts alike massively overestimated local support for rhees government

although i might be misplacing the temporal timing of these narratives it tends to drift a lot still caught a little off guard that the main damning thing pachinko could think of to say about north korea was that they were too mean to the landlords

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/dfedman/status/1387256929051807745

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
since it hasn't been brought up yet I'd like to recommend that anyone with any interest in WWII check out Poilu, the Diaries of Corporal Louis Barthas

unlike most WWI battlefield writers, he's a cranky old barrelmaker, pacifist, and dedicated socialist who hates the war with all his heart

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/LeeSpring_/status/1389281627298217984

so im just spitballing here but maybe the reason they dont pay attention to anniversaries like this is because they dont actually consider themselves nazis

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
anyone here with history graduate school experience? if I want to get a MA as a stepping stone to a doctorate how important is the "prestigious" of the MA program vis a vis applying to phd programs later

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Raskolnikov38 posted:

anyone here with history graduate school experience? if I want to get a MA as a stepping stone to a doctorate how important is the "prestigious" of the MA program vis a vis applying to phd programs later

Prestige is like the single most important thing for academia of any kind. If you have an MA from Harvard it'll make your PhD application look significantly better, if you have an MA from the University of Phoenix it'll make your application look significantly worse.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
alright GWU it is then, sorry CSU east bay and SF state

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Raskolnikov38 posted:

anyone here with history graduate school experience? if I want to get a MA as a stepping stone to a doctorate how important is the "prestigious" of the MA program vis a vis applying to phd programs later

It matters to itself. If you want to go to a prestigious doctoral program it helps to have the same prestigious masters. With air quotes around both uses of prestigious.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/wrkclasshistory/status/1392855378791174151

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

Raskolnikov38 posted:

alright GWU it is then, sorry CSU east bay and SF state

also if you ever plan on actually working in the field something like 50% of all history profs went to like 4 schools. The prestige is literally everything that matters.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Zedhe Khoja posted:

also if you ever plan on actually working in the field something like 50% of all history profs went to like 4 schools. The prestige is literally everything that matters.

This is very true.



(from here)

If you want to be a history prof, the purpose of your MA is to make you competitive for a PhD at a school like Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, or Berkeley, because top-tier R1 schools like that produce the overwhelming majority of tenure-track profs even at low-ranked institutions.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1393081102517116932

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1393604640793456640

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Ticks, cows and the war on contagions

quote:

In early 1922, federal, state and local officials battling the contagion of Texas tick fever had assigned Charles Jeffrey and his co-worker Lee Harper with the tough task of enforcing a livestock quarantine and cattle tick eradication program in rural Independence County. As they and their horses hiked along a dirt road early one March morning to supervise a mandatory pesticide dipping on Hutchinson Mountain, a hidden assassin fired a shotgun from the woods, killing Jeffrey and wounding Harper in the arm. Over the next couple of weeks, as authorities rounded up suspects, defiant nightriders in the area dynamited dipping vats and torched barns to express their vehement opposition to the quarantine order and eradication program.

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Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005


Pretty certain at least some of the Revisionist Zionists said the same thing in the 30s and 40s.

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