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It's insane how hosed up and savage our unrestricted submarine warfare against the Japanese was. We sank all sorts of freighters, fishing ships, and civilian transports that were bringing refugees back after the Soviet conquest of Manchuria. The true numbers won't come out for decades.
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Now let's argue about the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. How was that justified? From an international law standpoint, how was that less bad than Nazi Germany conquering neutral Belgium and Denmark? The answer is the Allied nations won the war, so gently caress you.
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Oct 15, 2021 03:17
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Re: war crimes: there seem to be three positions, always: 1. X is wrong and it's always wrong and we should always be against it 2. X is an okay thing to do 3. X is wrong and it's a universal truth that X is wrong but somehow it's only wrong when the people we defeated did it 3 is the position that has held true for basically ever but especially during the 20th and 21st century
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Oct 15, 2021 03:50
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'll take #4. X is wrong, it's a universal truth that X is wrong but only the defeated get punished for it No that's still #3
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Oct 15, 2021 05:12
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There's a really long piece that is yet to be written in The Atlantic that compares the rise of the nu-Klan due to Birth of a Nation with the rise of domestic terrorist organizations due to Avatar
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Oct 15, 2021 05:15
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Does anyone know anything about Russia and the Japanese during WWI? I mean they're both on the same side, but what were their relations like? I don't know anything before the Japanese interventions in the Russian Far East during the Civil War.
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Oct 29, 2021 07:04
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I just finished Orderly and Humane: The Expulsion of the Germans After the Second World War and this part specifically has haunted me and I'm doing my best to erase the memory of reading it with boozequote:The Yugoslavs became particularly adept at finding soft spots in the border across which parties of expellees could be spirited. In some cases, whole trains and their passengers were simply abandoned once they had crossed the frontier. The Reuters news agency reported the fate of a cattle-truck train containing 650 Volksdeutsch women and children from Maribor in Slovenia which had been sent northward at the end of September 1945. Its passengers received no food other than what they had brought themselves. After reaching Vienna the train was turned away by the authorities. Sixteen days later, it remained “in a siding at Wilfersdorf, forlorn and unattended, while children die and women go insane.”
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Nov 11, 2021 07:25
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Just the thought of that locked cattle train full of women and children sitting neglected on a railroad siding for over two weeks is a little too much for even my jaded brain.
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Nov 11, 2021 07:27
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Already deleted, what was it? This is why screenshots are better.
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Nov 13, 2021 06:58
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Holy poo poo
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Nov 13, 2021 07:31
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Anybody who was 12 or older when the Soviet Union collapsed still thinks the Soviet Union is around. Or they wish it was.
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Dec 26, 2021 03:04
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The Chinese had learned plenty about the holiday spirit from all the POWs they'd taken after the previous year's "Home by Christmas" offensive
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Dec 28, 2021 06:29
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In November of 1950 Dugout Doug MacArthur straight up told his troops on the record that they would be home for Christmas dinner. Instead those guys spent Christmas freezing, starving, and doing the bug-out boogie.
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Dec 28, 2021 06:35
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FDR was pretty much all about giving Stalin whatever he wanted, let's be clear.
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Ardennes posted:Sorry for the spoiler, but yeah, it eventually landed on the guy least qualified for the job. The IJN by mid-1944 was largely a spent force and an aggressive strategy only really works if you can do serious damage with sustainable causalities. Battle of Leyte Gulf = Hood's Tennessee Campaign
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Raskolnikov38 posted:so what, surigao strait is franklin? Actually Franklin is Phillipine Sea and Nashville is Leyte Gulf
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i say swears online posted:every time i read about the western theater its boundary keeps getting pushed east. ---- Jeff Davis reading telegrams 1864-5
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Ardennes posted:Also, I think Hood had a better chance of actually doing something than Toyoda did even if both were in a desperate situation. I don't think either of them had a chance and I think it was the same stupid "strategy" both times
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The whole world in 1914 was what, 50 countries?
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FDR posted:And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance.
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I'm reading Michael Swanson's latest book, which is about America's early involvement in Vietnam. He relates a story about a WSJ journal article from 1958 about a bunch of corruption wrt US involvement in Laos that nobody read that was reprinted in Reader's Digest and then caused a heck of a scandal Just the idea of Reader's Digest blowing the whistle on government corruption and really getting a bunch of people riled up is the most 1950's poo poo I've ever heard
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Just a bunch of dudes in gray suits and black hats taking the train home from work reading Reader's Digest while chainsmoking and being like "Wow. There's a country called Laos. And we're doing some hosed up things there. It sure is 1958."
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large oblate cat posted:Any book recommendations for the mexican revolution? Frank McLynn's Villa and Zapata: A History of the Mexican Revolution
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gradenko_2000 posted:
I'm almost done this book and it's pretty good. A little bit too fun. I have already read Neptune's Inferno. Also Tales of the South Pacific by Michener. You got any other Solomons Campaign book recommendations?
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Some Guy TT posted:so it just occurred to me that despite what if kennedy hadnt been shot being the big sixties hypothetical what if nixon won seems like the more relevant one the 1960 election is a pretty easy one to flip and it also contained almost no discussion of what would turn out to be the big issues of the decade In 1960 Nixon was a diehard cold warrior who had advocated nuking the Vietnamese in 1954 along with a cabal of French-supporting extremists in the Eisenhower administration: quote:As soon as he arrived in Washington, Radford invited him to his house for dinner. Among those there were John Foster Dulles, his brother CIA director Allen Dulles, and Vice-President Richard Nixon. These men would lobby to get the United States military involved in the war. Richard Nixon met with a group of editors from the American Newspaper Association and told them, in what amounted to a trial balloon for war, that "if this government cannot avoid it, the administration must face up to the situation and dispatch forces." In a National Security Council meeting he asked whether it might be wise to use atomic bombs to save Dien Bien Phu. He was told it would take three to wipe out the Viet Minh forces surrounding the French position, but President Eisenhower said he doubted they could actually win a war there after using them.
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Some Guy TT posted:does a quagmire in cuba preclude a quagmire in vietnam its hard to imagine us doing them both at the same time Do you remember the 2000's?
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Alright, calm down Allen Dulles.
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In honor of the month, I just wanna go ahead and quote a whole big part of "A People's History of the Second World War: Resistance Versus Empire"quote:Cracks in the edifice of racism appeared when the US armed services expanded from a few hundred thousand to over 14 million. The state now had no choice but to appeal to the country’s nine million blacks. In 1940 the Selective Service and Training Act opened the forces to ‘any person, regardless of race or color’ and promised ‘there shall be no discrimination ...’.68 Yet the Services remained thoroughly segregated. As Roosevelt put it: ‘The policy of the War Department is not to intermingle colored and white enlisted personnel in the same regimental organization.’69 Presumably ‘no discrimination’ only applied within separate black and white sections, not between them.
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"Ewww you saved my life with a black person's blood??? Take it back out of me!!" - an American
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Re: that quote from Nimitz, the "Hero of Midway": Black people don't automatically like other black people just because they're black. They're human beings. Imagine being a "mess boy" on a navy ship in WW2 where you live in a tiny floating metal box that you can't get off of for weeks or months and you aren't allowed to hang out with anyone other than the other 3-10 black people and you don't particularly like any of them and there's combat situations going on and you can't serve a gun or do anything other than make ham sandwiches and coffee.
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Here's a very long and very fun slice of the book "Low Life: Lures and Snares of Old New York" by Lucy Santequote:Late in the nineties, he began a major trend by founding the Chuck Connors Association, the sole purpose of which was to hold an annual ball, an affair that could guarantee a sizable profit from ticket sales and bar take, and whose profits were transmitted directly to Chuck’s pocket. As well connected as Connors was, he had no trouble coming up with a roster of honorary members that included prominent politicians, actors, artists, and writers, as well as such raffish personalities as George F. Train (the ex-millionaire former Union Pacific Railroad promoter and Crédit Mobilier manipulator who passed through phases of dissolution and bohemianism before ending up busted and living at the Mills Hotel shelter on Bleecker Street), plus the mayors of the Bowery, Avenue C, Poverty Hollow, and Chinatown. The first ball, held like its eventual successors at Tammany Hall on Fourteenth Street, featured music by two bands, Professor Wolf’s Orchestra and Professor Yee Wah Lung’s Chinese Orchestra. It drew representatives from clubs uptown—the Princeton, the New York Athletic, the Knickerbocker, the Hasty Pudding (imported from Cambridge), the Racquet and Tennis—and downtown—the Knickerbocker Icemen, the Lady Truckers, the Desperate Seven, the Bartenders’ Club, the Lee Hung Fat Club, the Stuffed Club, the Sweet Sixteen Club, the French Cooks, the Girl Getters. His 1903 ball is noted for having been raided by Carry Nation, the temperance agitator, who was in town on one of her East Coast swings. She swept bottles and glasses off tables, snatched cigars and cigarettes from lips, and made her way to the podium, where she began reading a letter from a disconsolate mother whose daughter was alleged to be lost in the wilderness of the Bowery. At this point a wild local girl called Pickles threw a bottle and some epithets at the crusader, who retaliated by unsheathing her ever-present hatchet and chasing Pickles around the room with it. The ball exploded into a pandemonium of police whistles, shouts, screams, and fistfights among the guests, which stopped when Connors collared the reformer and personally ejected her from the building. It's a good history book, one of my favorites, but it's goddamn exhausting.
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Some Guy TT posted:so im curious about something at about what time does hitlers kill count exceeds churchills kill count in terms of the competition for historys greatest monster Probably sometime in May or June of 1944 June, most likely.
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I can't believe I'm quoting the same book twice in such quick succession but here's A People's History of the Second World War on the Bengal Famine and Churchill:quote:The Secretary for India was Leo Amery, who has been described as a ‘passionate advocate of British imperialism [and] right-wing politics’.17 His reaction to the first reports of starvation was expressed in a letter to the retiring Viceroy, Lord Linlithgow. Amery welcomed this distraction from the movement for independence. The public were ‘now absorbed in questions of food and cost-of-living’ which might ‘infuse a tinge of realism into politics ...’.18 For further reading I suggest "Churchill's Secret War"
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gradenko_2000 posted:I was looking for this and "A People's History..." (and I did find them) and I stumbled across Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War is insane and so very swept under the rug. There were like 10,000 American troops in Russia at one point. The Japanese conquered the whole Russian Far East and half of Siberia and hung around for years.
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People of so many countries participated the attempted extirpation of the Bolsheviks. Canadians! Canadians invaded the Soviet Union!
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A spicier take would be that the Russian Civil War = Vietnam's various conflicts between 1941 and 1975, with the foreign powers involved and endlessly trying to find a non-communist alternative. In this scenario I guess the Japanese are the Germans and the Binh Xuyen/Hoa Hao are the fringe elements like Makhno.
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Stop paraphrasing.
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Holy poo poo yes Allied populations didn't care about Bolshevism in Russia but Allied governments were going bugfuck over the spread of communism anywhere and everywhere. This was the era of the first red scare in America, way more insane than the red scare of the 1950's. The political elites were frightened to a degree not seen since the 1790's or 1840's. They wanted the Soviet Union strangled in its crib and they wanted it done last week. No actual non lizard people gave a gently caress, true.
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Here's a constant that runs through all history: when people who own property get nervous, people who don't own property get dead
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