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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011



not sure robespierres the guy you should be quoting if the point youre trying to make is that insurrection is bad

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

goddamnit why is it that people only want to talk about modern history if its in the other thread

https://mobile.twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1359936964900831236

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1363599427613712386

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/Geopol2030/status/1375613094114717697

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

twoday posted:

This works very accurately if you read it right to left

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

can any brits speak to the liveliness of the churchill cult of personality in england im curious if its as intense there as it is here or if people are just wtf no gently caress that guy the same way there tends to be a gap in terms of how thatcher is perceived

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/birthmarxist/status/1375958294557302786

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel/status/1376198377549991941
https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel/status/1376198385162727424

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

yeah we have an entire special word that sounds like holocaust to describe soviet era famines and you get called a genocide denier when you point out the main people pushing that angle are literal nazis and have been for several decades to the point most people have at least heard the term holomodor even if theyre not sure exactly what it was

by contrast i hadnt even heard about imperial britains planned famines until that victorian genocides book came out a few years ago and i doubt anyone else had either

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1376515706271895560

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/kpfw_i/status/1376514003195682820

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/Chicago_History/status/1376938145174917122

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/CAMcGrady/status/1378098984632393728

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

a mediocre pundit would just tell me that kipling is bad

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378744559266639883

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378745062469861378

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378745693687451651

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378746360812470275

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378746820214595588

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378747123789934592

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378747496369901569

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1378748047027486724

a great one finds a way to convince me that orwell is bad at the same time

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/Viatcheslavsos3/status/1381609565041651714

horrified to learn that the russians fetishized their astronauts as national heroes something no non evil country would ever do

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtifactsHub/status/1382281002794381317

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/kimmythepooh/status/1382845375673958405

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

its very brief but at one point beevor gets into how this policy was sold domestically and profranco american business interests leaned hard on the catholic angle to convince politicians it was a bad idea to weigh in on the issue because franco loved catholicism and was basically jumpstarting a new catholic cultural era in spain and that catholic voters which were still a distinct bloc in america at this point would punish anyone who sided against franco

whats interesting is that in terms of polling data there was little to no evidence the spanish civil war was at all an important issue to catholics but on the rare occasion anyone did ask about it they supported the republicans by a two to one margin which might have been lower than the overall franco approval rating but was still so decidedly antifranco the entire talking point was basically just completely made up

its hard to appreciate today where the two are basically the same thing but the cultural industry and the regular industry of the thirties were often at odds with each other and the spanish civil war was one big example beevor goes into this on the spanish end a lot showing how the republicans were prioritizing propaganda victories to the point it was actively detrimental to their material interests they couldnt inspire people to not die of starvation

they were super successful at branding themselves as the good guys and international cultural thought leaders did all they could to boost this impression but it just didnt matter in the reality of an extended campaign which is why you get stuff like rick fighting for the republicans in casablanca being used as a shorthand for how he was a good guy this flew completely over my head when i watched the movie ages ago but your typical filmgoer at the time would have easily gotten the reference

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

hey now what about this story this seems like a happy story

https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035603164528644
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035613595766788
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035621703348226
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035625755045890
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383035631538946050
https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1383047768755818500

now to take a long sip of coffee while i read up on what happened to the papuans after the war

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/URDailyHistory/status/1384349604347404289

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/benpershing/status/1384515308774465537

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

horrifying article about the italian genocide

https://twitter.com/Viatcheslavsos3/status/1387148053946290178

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


its interesting that the blob would jump to this conclusion since a couple of decades earlier rhee in south korea had enacted land reform and this was used to argue that he was responsive to the needs of the korean people when in reality this was just a response to the north korean land reform and still done in a half assed enough manner domestic and foreign analysts alike massively overestimated local support for rhees government

although i might be misplacing the temporal timing of these narratives it tends to drift a lot still caught a little off guard that the main damning thing pachinko could think of to say about north korea was that they were too mean to the landlords

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/dfedman/status/1387256929051807745

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/LeeSpring_/status/1389281627298217984

so im just spitballing here but maybe the reason they dont pay attention to anniversaries like this is because they dont actually consider themselves nazis

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/wrkclasshistory/status/1392855378791174151

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1393081102517116932

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtifactsHub_/status/1394097830864723969

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/Sharon_Kuruvila/status/1394501507177984000

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

my biggest pet peeve with modern stuff setting during the forties is that people just take it for granted that everyone knew about the holocaust and that americans down to the lowliest foot soldiers saw it as their moral imperative to put a stop to it

in actuality the holocaust wasnt that well known outside of jewish communities and not that many people wanted to make a public relations thing out of it because of the very real chance that americans would unironically respond to the news by wondering if maybe hitler had some good ideas

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/davecatanese/status/1397725902746828803

narrator: there wasnt

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/gregkellyusa/status/1397329918434938881

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

look if obama could plot with william ayers to blow up his elementary school it just logically follows that lee harvey oswald could babysit him if not for the scheduling issues

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/robkhenderson/status/1398322044685725700

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmazingPosts_/status/1381908445608226816

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/MarieMyungOkLee/status/1406973327256784899

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/CaseyHo/status/1406670793791053827

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

his calling attention to that discrepancy is now making me seriously wonder why our official figures for napalm use are so comparatively low because no one disputes that the united states destroyed literally every multistory building in korea and its hard to imagine that twenty times as much napalm with an extra ten years of research and development could somehow do less damage to vietnam

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/RyanHaecker/status/1420364758583291909

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1424408424880635911

this is worth reading not because its good but because theres a whole lotta unexpected yikes in here in terms of douglas making casual racisms and acting like antichinese prejudice is bad mainly because its poor business sense

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