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StashAugustine posted:So I guess the response to "the US had to drop the bomb because otherwise Japan would have rearmed" is "the Japanese government was full of lunatic hardliners, but we can't know what terms might have happened because the Allies didn't try negotiating because they were more concerned with their postwar strategic position (ie dickwaving at the Soviets)." I mean should the Allies have negotiated with them? Would you, StashAugustine, accept it if the Allies made a negotiated peace with the Nazi’s instead of demanding unconditional surrender?
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vyelkin posted:when for a day or two after Nagasaki it looked like Japan still might not surrender, the US launched an enormous bombing raid that levelled Japan's only remaining oil refinery, which kinda begs the question of why they didn't just do that before nuking several cities That just makes the question “What’s so bad about a nuke if the fire bombing is just as bad?” And to be fair I am entirely down with the argument that “Strategic bombing regardless of if it’s one nuke or 1000 B-24’s is equally a warcrime.” But that still makes it the issue of why single out the nukes like they were something beyond what was already happening.
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Jul 26, 2023 21:10
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Azathoth posted:The firebombing of Dresden and the firebombing of Tokyo were just as much war crimes as the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and of Nagasaki. Well yeah that’s what I’m saying. I find any complaining about Hiroshima and Nagasaki suspicious because it’s really about defaming nuclear power in favor of the fossil fuel industry(whether knowingly or as a patsy). If it’s all war crimes all the way down there’s no need to point out those two cities while suspiciously never mentioning the other completely obliterated cities.
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Jul 26, 2023 22:00
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vyelkin posted:hell yeah dude saying nuclear warfare is bad is fossil fuel industry propaganda Correct, The attempt to muddle the waters by conflating those two bombings with the doomsday arms race was intentional fossil fuel industry propaganda. Me not wanting ICBMs pointed at the world is an extension of me not wanting any other weapons pointed at it. The anti nuclear movement has always spent the vast majority of its time trying to shut down plants. Even Salt was just Nixon and Brezhnev doing détente rather than anything the anti-nuclear movement did.
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Jul 26, 2023 23:30
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:An interesting counterpoint to all the cheap paperbacks valorizing the brave doomed Japanese soldiers that were de rigueur in the era. I was under the impression most pulp fiction of the time that dealt with Japan was Tom Clancy style fear mongering about how the inscrutable Japanese oriental was just biding his time till he could avenge himself upon freedom loving America, Remember Pearl Harbor! Or did that not really get going until the 80’s when the economic boom and better than American cars made people anxious?
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Aug 19, 2023 06:43
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my dad posted:Old ethnic/religious maps of Yugoslavia have a tendency of being too... clean and discrete, I guess? Relative to the actual situation. Here's a great one I got linked to that's represents the census data as 100 people dots instead, showing a much more accurate picture. anyone who uses both lime green and yellow in the same map should be jailed. It’s not like there aren’t a billion other darker shades of green to use. Anyway what’s that peninsula of Protestantism in Slovenia?
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Sep 18, 2023 00:04
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Slavvy posted:There's also a bit where they show some factory sabotage, someone welded a tube onto a filler bung so the thing would seem like it was full while actually not being even close I’ve never found any good data (and to be fair I don’t see how you could get it or even quantify it at this point) on just how much of the Nazi reputation for unreliable lovely equipment came from intentional sabotage by their slaves. We know it was endemic, but it’s not like Joe McFactoryslave was keeping an official ledger of how many suspension springs he sabotaged this fiscal quarter.
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Oct 5, 2023 22:45
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Slavvy posted:I suspect that between material shortages, substandard materials, and sabotage, they probably come across as a lot worse than they should be on paper. Oh yeah that’s part of what I meant by “How could you even quantify it?” because even if every worker had kept meticulous records of all their sabotage it was such a smorgasbord of failure from every direction of the whole system that it becomes practically impossible to ascribe blame to which particular defect or deficiency on a particular piece of equipment as the straw that broke the camels back on this or that individual tank.
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Oct 6, 2023 00:34
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Azathoth posted:Reminds me of those Christian weightlifters my school brought in for an assembly back in the 90s. They'd rip phone books in half and other assorted feats of strength while spouting Bible verses and inspirational messages. Holy poo poo the Righteous Gemstones didn’t make that up?!
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Dec 16, 2023 04:02
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Rosie the Riveter, fascist?
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Dec 16, 2023 18:42
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No one in all of America eats like that. no one puts down the knife or constantly switches hands. Hell most people just cut all their stuff at the start so they can eat without constantly having to stop to cut a new piece.
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Khrushchev was right about modern art being dogshit, even if he went on an unhinged bigoted rant about it.
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StashAugustine posted:I get where he's coming from but backing up to the discussion of racism in antiwar liberalism, the VC weren't cannibal savages with axes lol. The NVA had a serious air force! It’s the language of cinema though. You only have 2 hours of runtime. You don’t have time to to go over in excruciating detail the Ewoks lacking the industrial infrastructure of the Empire and the logistics problems the Ewok-Kong have to work around in order to provide space-gasoline to their space-tanks. You have to show something that is an immediately visual representation of being “low tech” that the audience can understand without further explanation.
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Cerebral Bore posted:mannerheim did mellow out a bit later in life, but i feel like that was mostly because he recognized that his previous goals weren't realistic when you're a sparsely populated country with a tiny fraction of the ussr's industrial capacity rats don’t get credit for jumping of a sinking ship
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