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vyelkin posted:this was certainly a factor in lack of popular support for the Whites. Not every Russian wanted the Bolsheviks to run the country, but they were offering popular things like land reform, or, more realistically, legitimizing the ad hoc land reform the peasants had already done by themselves, while the Whites offered things like "we take your land back and give it back to the landlords that you hate" and "we restore the monarchy who you hate" and those weren't exactly winning messages. From what I understand, reading Kotkin's biography of Stalin, (or having read it some years past), the Bolsheviks had next to no support among the peasants precisely because they refused to legitimise the land the peasants had seized in their own unrecognised revolution. The NEP in large part was a compromise where private ownership of land was recognised as practical fact but not in principle. I think much of what you say in terms of land reform was offered by the Social Revolutionaries, "Left" in particular, but explicitly not so by the Bolsheviks because they were against private property. Russia 1917 revolution to the next revolution in 1918 and then is an incredibly tumultous time with much of the fighting being within the left. Like Kerensky is often characterised as a socialist.
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vyelkin posted:Yeah I dunno what Kotkin says in the Stalin biography, but that isn't really true. One of the Bolsheviks' first decrees after the October Revolution was the Decree on Land which abolished private property and legitimized the seizure of landed estates that peasants had already done during 1917 and were currently doing at the time of the Decree (this wasn't private property in the countryside, because the seizures tended to happen at the village level, whether through a commune or through local soviets, unions, land committees, etc. It wasn't just a random peasant taking the landlord's fields and declaring they belonged to him now). It's true that the Bolsheviks didn't have a big following in the countryside - peasants mostly voted for the SRs, which wasn't surprising. The Bolsheviks were predominantly a party of the urban industrial proletariat, which during 1917 also acquired a large following among soldiers. The SRs were predominantly a peasant socialist party, which traced its roots back to the narodniki of the 1870s but with added Marxism. Their leaders were still educated intellectuals, but they thought the peasantry could be a revolutionary class like the urban workers and as a result they actually expended a lot of effort on outreach to the peasantry before and during the revolution, while the Bolsheviks were spending their resources on outreach to workers and soldiers. Everything you say here seems roughly in line what I've read. The peasants seized the lands and in the first elections they voted for those who recognised that which wasn't the bolsheviks because they were against private property. The peasant class all over Europe had been an ally for social revolution until they were allowed to own their own plots of land. Then they transformed into a bulwark against social change. That is what the Bolsheviks feared, with their few million workers against a hundred million peasants.
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i say swears online posted:it's always funny reading wikipedia battles and seeing imperial russian generals with german and english names. there are tons from the 1700s to wwi The Baltic Germans were enthusiastic servants of whatever empire they were part of after their own military power was broken as in return they got to keep their lands and priviliges. This meant that by virtue of owning most of the land the Baltic Germans were very much an autonomous part of both Sweden in 17th century and Russia from there on.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Honestly the German war effort in WWI was the greatest public relations disaster in human history, in absolute terms of lives and money lost. One of the first things Britain did when the war started was to cut the German undersea telegraph cables so that limited what they could do by a lot.
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I bet Geronimo experienced poo poo no one's supposed to. PTSD, TBI, you name it.
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I remember Richard Pipes from Power Nightmares, nothing vyelkin didn't already say but the Adam Curtis' narration and soundtrack is always nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyvx5qcn4Rc&t=1664s
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From what I recall reading the Three Body Problem it was also described in the book as being nearly a civil war, with various groups fighting with eachother and then ultimately many of them being dispersed into the country side and even repudiated, like Ye Wenjie's sister.
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Should have sent it to the garbage bin instead.
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Some Guy TT posted:
Finland doesn't have a "Greatest Finn" vote regularly that Britain has, but apparently there was one 20 years ago and Mannerheim won it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suuret_suomalaiset The winner During the final stage of voting, people had the chance to vote for the following three leading candidates: Risto Ryti, C.G.E. Mannerheim and Urho Kekkonen. The winner was baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, a war hero, Marshal of Finland, and president. Top Ten C.G.E. Mannerheim (1867–1951) (President of Finland, 1944–1946, and Marshal of Finland) Risto Ryti (1889–1956) (President of Finland, 1940–1944) Urho Kekkonen (1900–1986) (President of Finland, 1956–1982) Adolf Ehrnrooth (1905–2004) (infantry general, a figurehead for the Finnish veteran community) Tarja Halonen (1943–) (first female President of Finland, 2000–2012) Arvo Ylppö (1887–1992) (famed pediatrician) Mikael Agricola (1510–1557) (Protestant reformer and creator of literary Finnish language) Jean Sibelius (1865–1957) (world-famous composer of romantic music) Aleksis Kivi (1834–1872) (national author) Elias Lönnrot (1802–1884) (anthropologist)
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The fire department has to knock off a wall and crane has to be brought in to move your body. The crematorium is destroyed because the fat will burn like an oil well in Iraq and has to be put out with a nuke.
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