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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'd like to share the following excerpt from "The European Economy Between the Wars", by C.H. Feinstein, P. Temin, and G. Toniolo.

this was really good and scary ty

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

username tweet combo

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jiteshjustcool/status/1427513878062141441

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Mar 4, 2005

paging joementum

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Mar 4, 2005

Main Paineframe posted:

in 1862, there were big tax increases on just about everything, due to a sudden pressing need to fund a certain very expensive war

the North American oil industry barely existed in 1862. the first oil wells on the continent had only been built a couple years prior

let's talk about the dupont family, then

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Mar 4, 2005

the dupont grounds in delaware was the first time i ever saw broken glass embedded into mortared brick walls, and that was a historic monument lol

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Mar 4, 2005

Raskolnikov38 posted:

I believe the Stalin was necessary take focuses on him being the only possible soviet leader that would have industrialized the union to the point needed for the war.

yeah and if not stalin the man per se, the idea of the fully industrialized war machine totally controlled by the state. does anyone here think the US could have relocated every factory in the midwest to utah in the event of a successful invasion of the whole eastern seaboard, and then win the war?

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Mar 4, 2005

Doctor Jeep posted:

even untreated they would still consume resources

it's possible they learned a lesson from MacArthur and the bonus army a few years prior

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Mar 4, 2005

it's weird to me that east germany is simultaneously considered totally looted in 1945 with heavy industry shipped east while also being, along with bulgaria, the shining examples of 20th century communism. i'd like to read something on this material basis, including poland's insistence on war indemnities which were pressured into cancellation by the ussr

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Mar 4, 2005

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

civilian transports that were bringing refugees back after the Soviet conquest of Manchuria.

weird, how did japanese civilians get into korea and manchuria

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Mar 4, 2005

sullat posted:

for some reason they didn't have a Far East fleet

heh

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Mar 4, 2005

syria :v:

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Mar 4, 2005

lol that he would lose the election ten months later

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Mar 4, 2005

Weka posted:

Despite her immense mass she could not, as naval mines typically have magnetic triggers. Unless you refer to your dick as a naval mine (explodes in the wet).

eats so many burgers her blood is mostly iron

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Mar 4, 2005

i have never heard of this and for some reason find it hilarious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfermium_Wars

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Mar 4, 2005

[Modern History] Sorry for the spoiler

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Mar 4, 2005

every time i read about the western theater its boundary keeps getting pushed east. technically sherman in savannah on the atlantic ocean is the western theater. the eastern theater feels confined to the chesapeake

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Mar 4, 2005

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

---- Jeff Davis reading telegrams 1864-5

hehe

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Mar 4, 2005

BENGASINE AIN'T GOIN' AWAY

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Mar 4, 2005

reading on henry lane wilson's wiki page and i came across this quirk:

quote:

Wilson served in the U.S. Foreign Service during the presidencies of William McKinley (1897–1901), Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909), and William Howard Taft (1909–1913), and briefly under Woodrow Wilson. He was appointed Minister to Chile in 1897, remaining in that capacity until 1904, when he was made Minister to Belgium, serving in Brussels during the height of the Congo Free State controversy.

Wilson was appointed Ambassador to Mexico by President Taft on December 21, 1909. At the time it was the only diplomatic post with the rank of ambassador.

was there some sort of reorganization of the state department going on at this time?

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Mar 4, 2005

Platystemon posted:

“Who must go?”

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Mar 4, 2005

fdr should have been impeached and convicted over pearl harbor with henry wallace leading the war in europe

marines would have been at stalingrad

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Mar 4, 2005

Raskolnikov38 posted:

and then he would get to press the decision button that lets America annex the entire Soviet Union

the USSR would have declared war on germany before us so even if we had troops they'd still get ownership as each province was capped

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

ben garrison is our norman rockwell

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Mar 4, 2005



the body language is so good. austria and bulgaria may as well be dabbing. bulgaria is even stabilizing its new crown

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Mar 4, 2005

i like looking at city and county historical data on twitter, lookin' up podunk towns and poo poo. took it up as a hobby in 2009

to date, this is the only town i've ever found that lost people every decade of the 20th century except during the great depression. manistee, michigan:

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Mar 4, 2005

paging joementum, i know he'd have a tidbit

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Mar 4, 2005

Fish of hemp posted:

Well I mean, he was a white man born before 1990's. How could he not be?

that troll meme from a decade ago with increasingly swarthy nationalists declaring their white bloodlines

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Mar 4, 2005

i was going over mayor la guardia's wiki when i came across the time he handed a $100,000 check to fascist italy to support the invasion of ethiopia. the citations led to a couple absolutely fascinating articles

https://web.archive.org/web/20210612110554/https://lucid.substack.com/p/when-harlem-and-little-italy-clashed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/03/when-fascist-aggression-ethiopia-sparked-movement-black-solidarity/

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

why did eisenhower do more to support the french and south vietnam than batista? or am i incorrect in that assumption?

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Mar 4, 2005

Some Guy TT posted:

why does this thread only have two bars where else can readers gain enthralling content like random minimum context calvin coolidge quotes



hrmmmmmm, and how did his tenure as president go

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Mar 4, 2005

Raskolnikov38 posted:


e: or did you mean coolidge

lol yeah coolidge


Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

"Ewww you saved my life with a black person's blood??? Take it back out of me!!" - an American

you got three pints o' kramer in you, buddy

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Mar 4, 2005

Dreddout posted:

Mike Duncan claims there's no evidence for this on his podcast. In fact he adds that the allies wanted the reds to win the civil war.

Looking forward to his makhno episode!



????????

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Mar 4, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

around 32:00 of episode 10.84 - The End of the World

quote:

At least as many British, French and American leaders liked and supported the idea of the Soviet socialist republics as they appeared in 1917 and 1918, certainly they much preferred the socialist reds to the reactionary whites, who no doubt intended to restore barbarous absolutism.

well this is outright false, lol

otherwise, i do agree that western intervention was somewhat halfhearted compared to war investment just a year or two prior. the numbers of troops committed are barely comparable

edit lmao

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Mar 4, 2005

Some Guy TT posted:

who were these leaders do they have names

one was in jail!

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Mar 4, 2005

Dreylad posted:

Part of the halfhearted effort was the fact that domestic labour tensions were at an all-time high and trying to get soldiers who had just fought in WW1 to go invade Russia in the winter went about as well as you expected.

I'm only really familiar with the Canadian context, but like half the troops never made it out of Vladivostok because they all got STDs.

Not sure where Duncan is getting this interpretation from, but to me it showed how freaked out the west was of the Russian revolution that after fighting one of the most destructive wars in history, they still made an effort to try to put it down despite the financial precarity of the European Great Powers and the amount of discontent there was at home throughout the west.

frankly according to his worldview churchill was correct to want increased intervention, though you're right that the domestic politics of members of a potential larger coalition were prohibitive

in the US, even during the first red scare, both parties were not amenable to seiging moscow i'm sure

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Mar 4, 2005

that's an interesting contrast to the US where our labor leaders were almost universally non-english

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Mar 4, 2005

birdstrike posted:

maybe the west would have committed more against the soviets if they weren’t also up to similar things in Ireland, turkey, Egypt, Hungary…

they just blew through millions of people fighting their cousins in belgium; one would think they could have at least put in a lil more effort to stop an actual threat to their hegemony lol

kinda wonder what happens if lenin is just shot on the way from switzerland to sweden

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Mar 4, 2005

vyelkin posted:

this was certainly a factor in lack of popular support for the Whites. Not every Russian wanted the Bolsheviks to run the country, but they were offering popular things like land reform, or, more realistically, legitimizing the ad hoc land reform the peasants had already done by themselves, while the Whites offered things like "we take your land back and give it back to the landlords that you hate" and "we restore the monarchy who you hate" and those weren't exactly winning messages.

wh...where was the moderate opposition???

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Mar 4, 2005

well well well, look what i found

https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-147/coalition-foiled-1918/

quote:

That night Lloyd George dined with the newspaper proprietor Sir George Riddell, who wrote in his diary that Lloyd George told him: “Winston…wants to conduct a war against the Bolsheviks. That would cause a revolution. Our people would not permit it.”10

Lloyd George’s reply to Churchill’s telegram arrived in Paris on Monday the 17th. He was, he said, “very much alarmed” at Churchill’s telegram “about planning war against the Bolsheviks”; and insisted that the Cabinet had “never contemplated anything beyond supplying arms in anti-Bolshevik areas in Russia with necessary equipment to enable them to hold their own.” Even this policy was to be pursued “only in the event of every effort at peaceable solution failing.” There was also the danger, Lloyd George went on, of “driving the anti-Bolshevik parties in Russia into the ranks of the Bolsheviks.”

Lloyd George then repeated his reasons for opposing armed Allied intervention in Russia: “An expensive war of aggression against Russia is a way to strengthen Bolshevism in Russia and create it at home. We cannot afford the burden…if we are committed to a war against a continent like Russia, it is the road to bankruptcy and Bolshevism in these islands….Were it known that you had gone over to Paris to prepare a plan of war against the Bolsheviks it would do more to incense organised labour than anything I can think of; and what is still worse, it would throw into the ranks of the extremists a very large number of thinking people who now abhor their methods.”11

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Mar 4, 2005

V. Illych L. posted:

they should be proud to sacrifice for a great empire like ours, much like i, count Inbred von Richenfield have over the years

yeah i actually think this exchange/conflict is interesting because it's a microcosm of the larger liberal/tory political scene at the time. lloyd george and churchill hated each other and had very, very different childhoods. i feel like had churchill been tsar he'd have ended up at the ipatiev house all the same

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