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mawarannahr posted:DSA is worse than any Trot organization in history Well yeah, socialists hate social democrats the most The Saucer Hovers posted:sells even more liquor than the bar. Isn't that a good thing from the drinker's perspective
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Trash Ops posted:you’re half the posts itt 
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Maximo Roboto posted:Well yeah, socialists hate social democrats the most Trots are capable of developing discipline and an understanding of party, which is something you can work with.
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Leftist infighting is the ultimate addiction. So bad for you but feels so good
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Anyway there was a guy who used to post here who called himself an anarchist and was also pro-Hillary, so that's something we're going to have to keep in mind moving forward
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Anarchists who are into aesthetics are crypto-liberals but also IWW was the closest thing the U.S. ever had to a genuinely revolutionary organization of workers, so I guess what I'm saying is anarchism is a land of contrasts
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Jewel Repetition posted:Leftist infighting is the ultimate addiction. So bad for you but feels so good
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here's NATO anarchist robert evans on how we need more nuanced views on the bolivian coup https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1194094729962672128
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mila kunis posted:here's NATO anarchist robert evans on how we need more nuanced views on the bolivian coup interesting but do you have a take written by a more respectable source like a cadre from the Communist League of Tampa
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Continuity NIP posted:interesting but do you have a take written by a more respectable source like a cadre from the Communist League of Tampa I have no idea what this means
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mila kunis posted:I have no idea what this means That's okay pal
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idk what posting fake-anarchist tweets proves except that it cost $0 to call yourself an anarchist. as an organizing philosophy, in the US context, anarchism is highly effective for improving material conditions for people in ways that ML thinking just... isnt
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So am I correct in understanding that anarchists don't like participating in electoralism because they don't think there should be political offices at all?
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Jewel Repetition posted:So am I correct in understanding that anarchists don't like participating in electoralism because they don't think there should be political offices at all? im posting and cooking so i can expand later, but the short answer is: yes, policy shouldnt be centralized or delegated to specific people at all
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Jellidelic posted:im posting and cooking so i can expand later, but the short answer is: yes, policy shouldnt be centralized or delegated to specific people at all Well, that's stupid and handicaps you but I guess it's cool that you put in the effort to do mutual aid. You're still doing more good in the world than a tankie
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Jewel Repetition posted:Well, that's stupid and handicaps you but I guess it's cool that you put in the effort to do mutual aid. You're still doing more good in the world than a tankie if you have the heart of an anarchist you prioritize individual liberty over like, 'the advancement of mankind' at every turn. like ngl i dont think an anarchist society would ever make it to space but if that means nobody gets thrown into a work camp or gets genocided for their land/resources im aite with it
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Jewel Repetition posted:Well, that's stupid and handicaps you but I guess it's cool that you put in the effort to do mutual aid. You're still doing more good in the world than a tankie these "tankies" seem to be doing far more good in the world than any anarchists ever have https://www.thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/52-kerala/
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Jellidelic posted:if you have the heart of an anarchist you prioritize individual liberty over like, 'the advancement of mankind' at every turn. the work camps happen a little bit after the inevitable reactionary war crushes your rinkydink commune and reimposes capitalism, hth
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Jellidelic posted:if you have the heart of an anarchist you prioritize individual liberty over like, 'the advancement of mankind' at every turn. Well, I think your individual liberty would be better served by engaging with the political forces that affect it. And also that the reason an anarchist society wouldn't make it to space is that it wouldn't last for more than a few years, but that's a different topic mila kunis posted:these "tankies" seem to be doing far more good in the world than any anarchists ever have I'm gonna need a tldr
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Self-proclaimed anarchists who are actually working for NATO, many such cases!
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im an anprimcap, ama
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There are Marxist-Leninists doing good in the world and euro/american tankies like to steal that valour while doing jack poo poo
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Cerebral Bore posted:the work camps happen a little bit after the inevitable reactionary war crushes your rinkydink commune and reimposes capitalism, hth But the liberty!
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Buck Wildman posted:good lord this bullshit again Been like this for hundreds of years, people endlessly and pointlessly antagonizing each other for no especially good reason.
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Cerebral Bore posted:the work camps happen a little bit after the inevitable reactionary war crushes your rinkydink commune and reimposes capitalism, hth Anarchists briefly abolish capitalism before their communes are destroyed by imperial forces to restore order a week later. ML revolutions go as far as state capitalism and then sell out to The Man.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Self-proclaimed anarchists who are actually working for NATO, many such cases! neither washington nor moscow/beijing! (but actually washington, and its critically important we accept and follow state department propaganda. here's why evo morales needed to go 1/69).
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Continuity NIP posted:There are Marxist-Leninists doing good in the world and euro/american tankies like to steal that valour while doing jack poo poo whats it like in the right wing anti-communist hidey hole thread in PYF, i haven't read it in a while
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mila kunis posted:whats it like in the right wing anti-communist hidey hole thread in PYF, i haven't read it in a while It's poo poo
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read Lenin you fuckin brats
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https://i.imgur.com/eRFwQLh.mp4 Sun bears are neat
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Taintrunner posted:read Lenin you fuckin brats I'm reading the Lars T Lih What Is To Be Done translation
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MinutePirateBug posted:Been like this for hundreds of years, people endlessly and pointlessly antagonizing each other for no especially good reason. Like I said, it's leftist heroin
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The only material gains for the working class that have survived the mismanagement of corrupt leadership and oligarchs are those which were taken by movements of the working class. If your movement is top down it is doomed to fail.
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all the theory and poo poo about how the revolution would begin and be secured is cool i guess my main point is, in the US i really do think anarchist thinking and organizing is a better way to shield ourselves from bumps & scrapes while the western empires collapse around us. I've been houseless before and dealt with other struggles, and the solidarity and aid i've found from anarchists (and the skills i've learned from them) is probably why I'm still alive and here to post with all you pinkos if a communist revolution is really going to save humanity one day, it won't be born in the west.
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i think contemporary anarchism in the U.S., when you strip out the aesthetics and recalled symbols from the past (spain etc.), is more like a set of ethical principles wedded to horizontalist organizing techniques. that's fine and i'm not knocking it, but i think the social conditions and concrete reality of U.S. society today is very different from interwar spain or the russian empire in the early 20th century which saw anarchist movements compete with socialist movements at the time, attracting peasants into their movements who looked back nostalgically at the horizontalism of the peasant commune together with various romantic border-hopping adventurers
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Jellidelic posted:all the theory and poo poo about how the revolution would begin and be secured is cool i guess Yeah I do disagree with this because I think the best way to shield us from getting hosed by the collapse of the US empire is getting better economic policies going
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there was an anarchist bookfair here and it was funny to me because these smelly, train-hopping crusties rolled into town with little pop-up zine distros, and i discovered i could retrace their path to and from the venue while passing back through the area later because there were spraypainted circle-As scattered around. i find that basic disrespect for private property that anarchists have to be charming, like a little angry cloud that passes through the town and leaving graffiti in its wake before moving on to the next town.
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