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yea the idea that Cumo's 'competition' was Trump is absurd, just because that's how his poisoned New York rich boy brain viewed it doesn't make it true. His competition was literally every other governor as soon as it was clear federal policy was 'lol figure it out fuckers' and you can even find a lot of loving republicans even who managed to not just decimate the elderly population to avoid bad press.
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indiscriminately posted:I don't think it's absurd. For a period of time when the country was most afraid -- short in absolute terms, but long in memory -- New York was the epicenter of the pandemic. High stakes, lots of uncertainty. All eyes were on Cuomo and Trump, specifically, and everyone was aware of the contrast. uh at the time when New York was uniquely the epicenter they were not taking it seriously. Cumo's bullshit briefings started after it became a national issue.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:26
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Speaking of New York and actually on topic, is this the first time someone 'major' like an NYT writer has outright tried to blame Reade for the dems murdering metoo? https://twitter.com/BMarchetich/status/1366827337333940224 Feels like normally it's left to tweets and half-finished implications on cable news still, so I was surprised to see it full on written out in an op-ed for the times.
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Mar 3, 2021 15:10
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Uh, is the roof coming down on Cuomo at all? His ratings seem fairly bad but not that much worse than they were before and he's got plenty of political figures in new york saying dumb poo poo like 'well let's not ~cancel~ him...' as soon as he said he wasn't quitting.
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Mar 5, 2021 23:11
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Herstory Begins Now posted:in the interest of this thread not sucking and turning into huge stupid slapfights, don't generalize like this please how is it wrong? Voting for Biden objectively meant taking these credible issues and going 'eh, gently caress it though' including during the primary.
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Mar 12, 2021 05:06
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yea I mean I guess apologies to people who actively don't consume news but at least here on this dead gay forum where we're all news poisoned nobody didn't know about them, I think it's fair to say much like any Trump voter had to somehow rationalize setting aside his outright bigotry and violence, any Biden voter had to do the same with his history of many things including sexual misconduct.
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Mar 12, 2021 05:29
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How are u posted:If someone's position is "Biden must be removed", an entirely reasonable position to hold, but they're unwilling to then engage in discussing 1) how we accomplish it and 2) the potential rammifications of both engaging in that process and then succeeding, then they're not engaging with the world as it is. the discussion for 4 years was just 'Trump must be removed' and nothing more
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Mar 16, 2021 14:54
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fart simpson posted:that's not necessarily much of a reflection on the national party, any more than if when I successfully replace all of Texas' DNC members with socialists that's not a "my work here is done, the Democratic Party is now socialist" how much of the national party supported Biden? The national party will, reluctantly, throw a state level predator to the wilderness as we've seen but as soon as it becomes an issue in their realm they say this exact same poo poo.
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Mar 17, 2021 14:35
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The NYT reported that she lied (not just "was mistaken" or "we could not verify"). This initiated law enforcement and lawyers looking into whether she committed perjury during sex crimes trials, which is an extraordinary wrinkle to making these kinds of accusations. and then what happened
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Mar 18, 2021 19:11
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comedyblissoption posted:thinking about how the media hyperfocused on the "credibility" of tara reade and not notorious liar joe biden mired in many harassment allegations and whom was the butt of snl and daily show groping jokes based on his "tactile" c-span footage Joe Biden: Literally still lies about how his first wife died and famously had his only other even remotely non-joke presidential campaign ruined by a plagiarism scandal, also has a history of abusing women's consent and all. Tara Reade: Her landlord didn't like her. I'm sure our free press treated these people with appropriate respect based on this and nothing else!
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Mar 18, 2021 21:06
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me, explaining why I sexually assaulted multiple women: it was for the troops
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Mar 19, 2021 13:39
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:What I'm saying is that, if Franken didn't resign and asked for an investigation I think that would have been also acceptable. Given the circumstances surrounding the story I don't think he should have been pushed out by Democratic leaders. multiple women accused him of sexual harassment it wasn't just one tasteless pic, how many of them were liars?
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Mar 19, 2021 14:27
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:If there are other photo's of Al Franken harassing women, that's freaking gross but news to me. As for the other accusers, yes that did happen, Franken resigned but not before the absolute onslaught of pressure from conservatives media and his own party just because of Tweeden. Which to me, wasn't enough to immediately boot him from office. what? Do you have some kind of brain disease that makes you say constantly contradictory things? Did a loving witch put a curse on you? Just answer a simple question, was Al Franken a serial sexual harasser, yes or no? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 19, 2021 14:36
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I feel as if this thread has run it's course. Everything already been addressed by myself and other posters. That is the best I am able to do. did you get dunked on so hard you tried to get a whole thread closed
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Mar 23, 2021 04:17
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I'm not sure how to explain there's a difference between a a governor sexually harassing a staff aide then outright admitting vs. someone acting inappropriately during lewd comedy skit that's then shared delivered via highly partisan conservative talk radio might generate some skepticism. why do you keep claiming it was a skit, Frankin himself never did so what do you know that even he didn't?
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Mar 23, 2021 17:02
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She's absolutely correct that her story was ignored because it was against Biden and people like people in this very thread this very page dismissed her as 'Russian propaganda' because of past things that had nothing to do with her allegations, so why once again play that card if not to cowardly dance around saying 'maybe she IS a lying Russian agent though'? What did that add to the topic of her allegations?
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Mar 23, 2021 19:22
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:To be clear, I didn't say or suggest she's lying. If you think I did, perhaps you read too much into what I posted. If you feel so inclined, you can search my previous dozen or so posts in this thread and see that not only have I outlined my stance on this topic clearly, but also that said stance does not include "Reade lied about Biden." who gives a poo poo if she said Putin was good then
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Mar 23, 2021 20:11
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If you didn't want to dance around trying to discredit her you wouldn't have posted that stupid poo poo at all, who cares if she's praising Putin, I can sympathize with her being maybe a pinch bitter about American politicians right now, what does that have to do with the thread even if you find it 'bizarre'?
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Mar 23, 2021 20:31
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:The thread is presumably about Tara Reade. If she mysteriously fell out a window tomorrow, I think we would be discussing that as well, even though it wouldn't be directly relevant to her allegations about Biden. so what discussion would you like about the RT stuff, what's the topic? Just how 'bizarre' it is?
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Mar 23, 2021 20:56
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:[/b] there was exactly 'as much to go off' as there was with Ford and Kavanaugh, the media and dems had no issue siding with her equally credible story despite not having a literal video tape of the guy going 'I'm future judge Kavanaugh and I love rape' to make it an objective slam dunk.
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Mar 24, 2021 03:41
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:https://twitter.com/axios/status/1371225627160932353?s=20 and yet he's still there, either they have to impeach him or he's staying
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Mar 24, 2021 03:42
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:NY State Democrats collectively asking for your resignation in a scheduled press conference with legends like Jerrold Nadler is not "getting mad". There's also multiple on going investigations. Saying poo poo is not getting things done.
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Mar 24, 2021 04:04
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Has there been any kind of concerted push to defend cuomo? I've seen virtually nothing outside of a couple city level people, but I'm not super keyed into NY state politics? well there was just a quote posted about the head of the NY party saying 'well we've said our bit we're done now' which lets him off the hook entirely, there's the weird k-hive like perverts that think this is a Trump plot...somehow...there was just a creepy little super Italian protest outside his office calling the women lying sluts and begging him not to step down, and just the other day one of his accuser's lawyers has accused the harassment probe of letting Cuomo gently caress around with it https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/22/cuomo-interferes-with-sexual-harassment-probe-charlotte-bennetts-lawyer-says.html quote:A lawyer for one of the women who have accused New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo of sexual harassment charged Monday that he is trying to interfere with a state attorney general’s office investigation of the women’s claims. So while there may not be a poo poo load of CNN hosts defending him (any more, except his literal brother who's a major part of the media I guess...) it seems in basically every level that matters yes there is a pretty huge push to sweep this away with simple talk and no action.
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Mar 24, 2021 13:38
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VitalSigns posted:I just realized that even though I followed the Ford/Kavanaugh assault case closely both here and in the mainstream media, I have no idea what any of Dr Ford's political opinions are. I don't know her opinions of foreign policy; I don't know her opinions on domestic policy. I don't know her opinions on China; I don't know her opinions on Russia. I don't know her opinion of Xi Jinpeng; I don't know her opinion of Vladimir Putin. I don't know who she voted for. I don't even know what political party she belongs to, if any, although I assume she's probably a Democrat after how the Republicans treated her, if she wasn't before. But I don't know because it wasn't breathlessly reported on in the news or endlessly brought up in discussion. It's as though Dr. Ford's political opinions have nothing at all to do with what happened in that basement 40-odd years ago. Yea while obviously Fox and poo poo took any work she did for a Democrat as proof of collusion it's weird how most of us before this agreed that was disgusting and a transparent way to silence a victim. Oh well here's another bit about how Tara Reade was rude to a landlord once, this is actual journalism.
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Mar 24, 2021 17:48
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VitalSigns posted:The problem with ignoring it is that other accusers may come forward and make the accusations impossible to ignore. yea let's not beat around the bush, Reade was treated the way she was for the same reason they treated any woman who said 'yea him being all touchy with me made me uncomfortable even if yes I agree it wasn't literal assault' so poorly, it was to make it crystal clear to any other accusers they knew could pop up that the whole believe women thing was over and if you ever at any point criticized a democrat or just were rude to a landlord once you'll be called a lying Russian agent just trying to help trump win.
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Mar 24, 2021 22:43
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Neurolimal posted:Has Cuomo been deposed yet nope, I think the state party has released another 'WORKING HARD, THANK YOU' thing re: investigations a couple days back but he's clearly gonna skate through
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Apr 9, 2021 13:36
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Jarmak posted:This is a completely dishonest characterization of events. What you're referencing is the state assembly judiciary committee (not "the party") met to formally start an investigation, hire outside counsel to assist with it, and send Cuomo a formal non-retaliation notice, which are all the first steps to an impeachment. Right, they met last month to say 'yea this is gonna take a few months' because somehow it's a really complex accusation when you just have accusers sitting there in the open willing to talk, which is a great omen
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Apr 9, 2021 14:49
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Cuomo, isn't even a Democrat at this point. Democrats or specifically "Progressive Democrats" have been trying to get rid of him for over a decade now and finally it might work this time. He's not only toxic to the party but terrible with nearly everything that he does unless it somehow enormously benefits him and voters are starting to see that clearly. he's a loving democrat darling what are you talking about, he got a loving EMMY for being a democrat darling and giving terrible pressers where he yelled about red zones, people wanted him to blast their back walls out, he's exactly the kind of amoral sociopath with a hard conservative viewpoint that the party loves
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he's also not good at being a sociopath, he's good at riding his racist, homophobic, father's name to wealth and power
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Let's make it easy, when was the last time any party actively punished a serial sex criminal? Frankin right? I mean actual punishment and not just 'okay you're not allowed to run again and we're wagging our fingers very hard at you sir!'
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yea there was just a major report the other day that he outright hid the real death toll near every day for a chunk and even the right wingers barely touched it, I don't think I saw it at all on MSNBC but to be fair I don't really check often so I may well have missed it. CNN had a brief blurb before basically 100% unquestioningly accepting his excuse of 'uh but, you see, the numbers were BAD, and TRUMP, the bad man, was going to yell at me about them, so I had to lie'. He's not going anywhere for straight up manslaughter, let alone for sexual assault that most dem leaders are on record for just kinda shrugging off. There's also hilarious reports that Biden's just not running multi-state Covid briefings anymore, but letting him take the reins, so yea he's gonna just skate on this and probably parlay it to an appointment sexpig by night fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 3, 2021 |
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May 3, 2021 00:43
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How are u posted:I don't see this happening at all. There's no way Biden would get into that mess by offering Cuomo a position. What's the upside? he gets to reward his fellow rapist? I mean, what's the upside of most of the weirdly spiteful things people like Joe do? It's just owning the people who make him mad. Those uppity metoo'ers and people with dead grandparents forgot that orange man was the real bad, show em who's boss by giving Cuomo a job even after he doesn't run for office again. e: the question should be what's the downside to doing it? Do you think the dem base will punish Joe for it if he does it in any way?
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May 3, 2021 02:27
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fool of sound posted:Hey, isn't accusing a victim of telling their story for financial gain one of the things that we were explicitly asked to crack down hard on? How do you feel this case if different? do you feel there's a reasonable difference between 'I bet this lady's lying to get all that totally real money that just showers on prominent rape victims' and 'it's kinda hosed up she's treating a serious accusation of sexual assault as a teaser for her book'? Like, do you really need to be explained that one is a literal fantasy world thing and the other is being a little grossed out she's being weirdly coy about sexual assault with an implied 'well maybe you'll just have to buy my book to figure out who did it'? Or were you just looking for some weird 'ah ha, hypocrites much???' card to play after the whole 'shut up about joe biden's rapes' thing got talked about in the moderation thread? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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fool of sound posted:I don't really see how it's meaningfully different from accusing Reade of going public in order to later sell her book, unless the supposition is that a survivor has to name their abuser for their story to be valid. One statement: "Russia obviously paid Tara Reade to lie about Joe Biden raping her, that's why she's going on RT to say this." The other statement: "This is a horrible story but why is she trying to act like it's some spoiler to tell who the powerful person that may still be in politics who assaulted her was, that's kinda gross" If you genuinely need further clarity on the difference then man I don't know what to say other than 'you shouldn't be in charge of this thread'.
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