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Zook
Oct 3, 2014
It's disgusting how they silenced her but not surprising, look back how disgusting they treated now commonly-known rapist Bill Clintons victims. It's worse now though as the liberal culture/politics has co-opted academic language for their psuedo-feminism/'woke'ness, especially since Trump became the republican nominee in 2016. So you have all these outlets blasting pro-women messages and boosting all these victims of Trump's sexual assaults and talking about how important MeToo and believing victims is, Christine Blasey Ford's testimony, etc, immediately before abandoning all that and smearing Bidens victim, despite having decades of corroboration, trusted character witnesses, etc. As Marx would call it, a heightening of contradictions.

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Zook
Oct 3, 2014

Insanite posted:

I agree. She's essentially persona non grata in American media, now, to the point that she's in RT, which we all know has a questionable bent:

I would argue that foreign state media, RT, Al-Jazeera, BBC, are less bias/questionable than American private news corporations, American news companies obviously have a vested interest in American politics and things being presented (or not presented) in a certain way, or at the very least, equally valid to American news corporations.

Zook
Oct 3, 2014
https://twitter.com/MattFountain1/status/1258524341261623296?s=19

24 years before Biden decided to run for president.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/847982990/former-neighbor-corroborates-tara-reades-account-of-sexual-assault-by-joe-biden

KELLY: Just briefly tell us - what is the actual allegation that Reade is making here?

KHALID: She says that sometime in the spring of 1993 in a hallway on Capitol Hill, Joe Biden pinned her up against a wall and penetrated her vagina with his fingers. The Biden campaign has said that Reade's claim is untrue - that it absolutely did not happen.

KELLY: So you have now spoken with an old neighbor of Tara Reade's who's corroborating her allegation. Who is that and what are they saying?

KHALID: Yeah, that's right. Her name is Lynda LaCasse, and her name first came to our attention because of some interview she did with Business Insider. They published this account earlier this week in which Lynda LaCasse, who was a neighbor of Reade's in California in the mid-1990s, says that Reade told her about the assault. LaCasse did not respond to my initial messages or phone calls, but through Tara Reade, I was able to reach her earlier today. And I should note that through public records, NPR was also able to verify that Reade and LaCasse were neighbors for a point in the 1990s. So LaCasse told me that she recalls stepping outside one day in 1995 or early 1996 and Reade joined her and they started talking. And at that point, Reade started sharing this story of an alleged assault by Joe Biden. What she told me matches the details of what Reade has alleged.

LYNDA LACASSE: I do remember her telling me that Joe Biden had put her up against the wall and had put his hand - his hand - his hand up her skirt and had put his fingers inside her.

KHALID: And, Mary Louise, what also caught my ear in speaking with LaCasse is that she describes herself as a strong Democrat. She told me she intends to support Joe Biden in the general election. And I asked her, you know, how she reconciles voting for a man whom she believes assaulted her old friend.

LACASSE: Biden isn't a bad guy. I think he's an OK guy. He just has this - this just happened. It just happened. It did happen.

Zook
Oct 3, 2014

Fallen Hamprince posted:

In that video, Reade’s mother states that Reade had had “problems” while working at Biden’s office, but didn’t want to speak out for fear of harming Biden’s reputation. It’s not particularly consistent with the 2020 allegations. Reade’s former coworker, when interviewed, told reporters that Reade had had difficulties with her work as a staffer.

Reade’s account of the assault does not match up with the geography of the capital building.
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Do you think Reade is making it up and her neighbor is in on the conspiracy decades in the making?

Zook
Oct 3, 2014
The fact that the US government is filled with sex criminals and rapists (some caught other skating by consequence free) makes the idea of there needing to be an insane level of proof required seem kind of silly to me too. I find it very unlikely that Tara Reade constructed a decades long deception convincing all these people she was raped by Joe Biden, than that Joe Biden, like Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell and Dennis Hassert, is a rapist.

Zook
Oct 3, 2014

Fallen Hamprince posted:

One problem here is that corroborating witnesses only ever seem to remember hearing about the assault at the time after Reade discussed it decades later.

why would you remember something your neighbor told you decades ago without trying? do you think she's part of a conspiracy? what's the 'problem' here?

Zook
Oct 3, 2014

socialsecurity posted:

Is there a breakdown somewhere of all the people she told, it keeps sounding like a bunch but everyone keeps talking about that one neighbor.

https://news.yahoo.com/another-tara-reade-friend-comes-080000628.html

"Joseph Backholm is at least the eighth person to corroborate aspects of Reade’s claims, following her mother, brother, ex-husband, former neighbor, former coworker and at least of her two friends."

Zook
Oct 3, 2014

Fallen Hamprince posted:

If your neighbour called you up and described a conversation that you had two decades ago and had forgotten. do you think you could reliably say whether or not that conversation had actually happened?

If I remembered it I would say yes I remembered it if I didn't I wouldnt say that, this is 99% of people imo, the neighbor is one of many people who corroborate being told by her about it over the years though.

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Zook
Oct 3, 2014

Aruan posted:

i think one of the legacies of the last twenty five years has been a significant shift in the role a person's personal decisions and private life make in how we judge their fitness for office (and let me say up front that this shift is a good thing). up until nixon we barely knew anything about personal lives of politicians, both because information was just more limited, and also because the press explicitly worked to protect the privacy of politicians because they viewed their personal lives as off limits and irrelevant. when it comes to kavanaugh specifically one thing really disappointed me (and this is true of biden to some extent) is that there are so many objectively true things that are just fundamentally disqualifying - his court opinions alone would, in a better world, mean he would never come within a hundred feet of a seat on the supreme court. but because for some reason we can't acknowledge that, the conversation shifts to something else. its good to know he's a bad person, personally, too, of course, but i feel that we never should have had to be in a world where the deciding factor for supporting kavanaugh or not was believing an accusation - we already shouldn't be supporting him, and anything else is just confirmation.

i don't know if this makes any sense.

edit: to add, i always have felt kind of i guess 'gross' about how people use any accusation in this context because it always feels to be kind of exploitative - that we can't just reject someone for bad politics, so instead you have to use the worst moment in someone's life as the 'proof' that someone who is objectively bad is bad. does anyone else feel this way? you see it on both sides, too: look at franken, it was like 'aha! we found something we can use to force him out!' - just ignoring the tragedy and trauma and jumping to how to use it. it feels seedy. even this conversation is always within the implicit context of "joe biden: good or bad", which again just feels wrong.

It is not gross to speak up about a rape victim who the entire media suppressed in order to propel her rapist into the most powerful office in the world, I don't know how you even square that.

Edit: Something that WAS especially gross to me is the number of people who are on the Bernie/"socialist" left who dropped Reade's allegations like a sack of hot potatoes once it became clear Bernie was out of the race.

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