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goethe.cx posted:I'm still a little confused why right-wing media didn't do anything with the accusation. Sure, you could say that Trump's a rapist too, but hypocrisy never stopped them before. I'm pretty sure for a while they did, but again, Trump and Biden are on the same side of making sure you don't believe women, and it was signalled early on that the Democrats were doing a campaign of total silence and gaslighting over it.
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The Republicans were actively mindful to be more sensitive towards Kavanaugh's accuser an absolute loving magnitude or two more than the Democrats were towards Tara Reade, it's not even a contest. Republicans knew they might actually get judged by their actions. Democrats knew an establishment approved candidate would get a free pass. And this was right about when they made drat well sure Bernie was ruled out, and after the 'body language expert' to prove Bernie was a secret Jewish rapist landed with a dull thud.
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Feb 8, 2021 16:02
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I do remember media saying they had interviewed a hundred people who'd known Reade at some point, and acted if that gave any credibility rather than being the actions of a desperate loving stalker.
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Feb 8, 2021 17:23
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Like, the Republicans made sure to appear to be respectful towards Kavanaugh's accuser and downplay her because they knew it'd make them look bad to be going after her, while the Democrats and their affiliated media went for a full and total monstering of Tara Reade. And it came fresh off the latest attempts to smear Bernie Sanders by having a 'body language expert' declare him to be an obvious sexual predator based on basically phrenology. It all ties in with a deeply unpleasant turn of the liberal sphere into aggressive Pleasantville level denial of reality and aggressively attacking anyone who dares threaten their perfect world by bringing up actual problems and issues. (actually kinda funny with WandaVision coming out about now)
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Feb 9, 2021 10:33
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Harold Fjord posted:They could have coalesced around literally any of the other primary candidates. Only the donors have ever really mattered to the party. There's a big open question about Sanders, especially given on the other side of the pond the Labour party literally threw the election and self-destructed rather than let a leftist win.
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Feb 19, 2021 06:18
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The primaries pretty much confirmed cable news is mind control for boomers. You can't get through to them when they believe whatever the TV told them to last night.
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Feb 28, 2021 12:44
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Biden isn't the first rapist many or even most of them have voted for, to be fair.
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Mar 12, 2021 16:26
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Wondering if MeToo getting dumpstered was the canary in the coal mine; now the protests in Australia and the UK being met with brutality and sneers with the so-called opposition parties making themselves invisible, with the full aid of the media, is setting the stage for further institutional violence against women and women's rights being rolled back to enable institutional abuses.
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Mar 15, 2021 08:39
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Pretty sure police at this point are actively pushing back and threatening officials who dare to actually even suggest reducing their funding or actually prosecuting them for murder or rape.
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Mar 15, 2021 11:32
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fart simpson posted:that's not necessarily much of a reflection on the national party, any more than if when I successfully replace all of Texas' DNC members with socialists that's not a "my work here is done, the Democratic Party is now socialist" Kinda funny since that basically happened with Nevada and the remaining centrists apparently are trying their hardest to scuttle the whole thing and start a No Homers club.
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Mar 17, 2021 14:40
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The DSA's whole deal is to be a parallel support structure rather than an actual party, given it's a lot easier to run as a Democrat than it is to get any meaningful support from the party apparatus as a leftist. The US system is set up to make third parties not anywhere near worth the effort. Especially since the party has much less ability to actually control its representatives compared to say, the UK system.
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Mar 18, 2021 13:29
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Curious meta going on with the thread's rating. Doesn't look like too many votes, because of the fluctuations, but it does speak volumes that several posters would go out of their way to down vote this topic. Thread ratings are about as likely to be a result of fat-fingering on mobile nowadays, but also wouldn't be surprising. It's pretty clear a lot of interests want this topic to go away forever.
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Mar 19, 2021 06:21
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Apparently Northram is kind of a specific case given all of the options other than him are somehow worse, he's actually done tangible good things for minorities in the state and continues to do so especially since that's the only way he stays in power, and his reaction has been to apologise and accept fault rather than triple down.
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Mar 24, 2021 04:53
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Lester Shy posted:This poo poo drives me mad. Liberal orthodoxy says you're supposed to believe Tara Reade because you believe women when they come forward with accusations about powerful men. But believing Tara Reade would mean that you just helped put yet another rapist in the White House. So you have to invent all of this insane guilt-by-association horseshit to smear a regular human being and assuage your conscience. It's QAnon for liberals, not surprised it's become infused with Russiagate.
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Apr 11, 2021 05:18
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Pretty much everything they ever said about BernieBros was always projection.
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Apr 11, 2021 06:16
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some plague rats posted:To my mind the projection is question is not dismissing the women mentioned in the letter, the projection is by the dem partisans who concocted the entire Bernie Bro smear, who accused all his supporters of being white men who love misogyny and all the women were just trying to impress boys and so on who then went immediately to the mat to dismiss the crimes of Biden, Cuomo, etc Yes, this, though also tying it in with the Russiagate narrative and general eagerness to dismiss the accounts of women and minorities and throw them under the bus to prop up almost universally old white male politicians, and being willing to continue to pursue grudges like Tara Reade even when there's no point anymore, Biden won.
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Apr 12, 2021 06:09
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In the grim darkness of modern American politics, there are only rapists.
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Apr 13, 2021 18:09
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I observe a recurring pattern of posters retreating into 'but what do words even mean, maaaan' when they've run out of defenses.
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Apr 14, 2021 05:39
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God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
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Apr 14, 2021 07:01
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Josef bugman posted:"Marginal or fringe views" that the people who rule on our behalf are not monsters? That could describe quite a lot of positions that have suddenly become standard Democrat values within the last few years, like gay and trans people being human beings deserving of rights. I see we're past 'what do words actually mean, maaan' and straight back to appeal to authority and normalcy.
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Apr 14, 2021 10:37
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I think it was better when Democrats just tried to pretend Tara Reade never existed, but this was the inevitable result, the chilling effect of doing a total reversal on sexual assault accusations when it was inconvenient to acknowledge them. Every scumbag who puts a D next to their name has a new weapon.
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Jun 9, 2021 08:06
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You can also have cases where poo poo's basically an open secret but in circles that actually get exposure it's considered completely verboten. The Dan Schneider stuff comes to mind, where apparently even back in the 2000s you had UK and EU sites talking about it while it was apparently suppressed in the US. (for more info see the CineD sexual assault thread) It's also more going with about how the dialogue on rape and sexual predators changed so drastically so very recently, and it seems like a lot of people who consider themselves progressive will suddenly try to wrench the clock right back when one of their faves is implicated. Also it becomes pretty especially egregious when the candidates propped up by the party are implicated, and the answer basically is 'If you don't vote for this rapist, you're a Trump supporter' along with all the usual hostage-taking and demands that the left basically shut up and smile.
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Jun 16, 2021 05:59
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Ah, here it is.Bust Rodd posted:There’s also the rumor that he’s the father of Jamie Lynn Spears kid and they basically offered a kid from her high school a poo poo ton of money to pretend to be the dad, and it’s weird because in googling around just now you literally cannot find a US source talking about the paternity, but UK and EU fan sites from the 2000’s are all talking about how the timelines literally do not make sense unless this kid was flying out from Louisiana during the final season of the show, which he absolutely was not doing.
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Jun 17, 2021 10:08
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This is pretty much where the liberal ideal of trusting in systems and processes to do the right thing runs into a loving brick wall, because said systems and processes favour protecting and denying the crimes of predators as long as they make money, which is a bit of a self-reinforcing process. If you aren't willing to kill your heroes, eventually all your heroes will be monsters.
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Jun 17, 2021 16:14
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I think the Democrats really might have successfully killed #MeToo. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 1, 2021 13:35
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People have literally spent decades in prison for the crime of owning popular music (or more often, being black) while within the vague region of a crime, and yet you can barely keep a high-profile serial rapist with literally dozens of accusers dating back half a century in prison for more than a year before getting out because some prosecutor didn't dot all his i's. People are right to be mad. This is complete absurdity hiding behind the fig-leaf of an institution that constantly betrays, enslaves and destroys the most vulnerable.
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Jul 6, 2021 10:26
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No wonder Blizzard's output has been so garbage if they've been too busy acting like 80s movie fratboys and terrorising half their workforce to get anything done.
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Jul 31, 2021 01:45
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Comedy option is that Cuomo has the party turn on him because he implicitly took aim at Obama.
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Aug 4, 2021 14:41
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This really demonstrates how taking partisan media at face value and guilt by association feeds into the worst possible ideas. The right must absolutely love it how they can platform victims of sexual harassment entirely sympathetically and cause liberals to actively regress on the issues in response. Yet another case of ceding ground to the right due to being so easily manipulated.
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Aug 6, 2021 18:13
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Time's Up is a catch-and-kill operation. Helping Cuomo is the kind of thing it was made for.
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Aug 8, 2021 06:48
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Given the timing of the accusations during the primaries, it's quite possible that orders came down from on high that suddenly Biden had to be sainted rather than an also-ran and the story went from supported to quashed with extreme prejudice.
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Aug 8, 2021 17:46
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Considering we're seeing such a prominent organisation be a blatant op to protect abusers while claiming to fight them, is it becoming more clear now why the starry-eyed claims of 'Just organise and vote!' come off so bitterly insensitive? We've seen this happen over and over and over to any remotely progressive cause, where if the leaders don't end up committing suicide via bullet to the back of the head they end up 'asking for perspective' as to why they're doing the literal opposite of their intended cause. Also comes to mind the people genuinely trying to call out Cori Bush for hiring private security.
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Aug 10, 2021 03:06
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Pretty much anything with a catchy, non-disputed name and official structure that claims to be attacking unjust power structures should be side-eyed at best. These organisations are often ops, or quickly turn indistinguishable from them.
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There is something weird about accusations without a specific name dropped, but it's not like there's a guide how to act here. Maybe it might help to drum up support and get attention first rather than have people immediately go on the defensive for the accused. Huma I'd only really known as Hillary Clinton's familiar, literally dressing exactly the same as her and all, and apparently encouraged by Hillary to marry her terrible husband for political reasons. I have absolutely no trouble believing she's suffered sexual harassment and assault from powerful men and only recently felt there was any opportunity to speak up about it without destroying her life.
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