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Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

bellows lugosi posted:

all i want to do in life is drive around endlessly taking photographs

That's the dream

Twenties Superstar posted:

Walking around truly is the common denominator among photographers

Went for a hike today, took some photos, had a great time.

Megabound fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Mar 13, 2021

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Twenties Superstar
Oct 24, 2005

sugoi

Sub Rosa posted:

I've made a huge mistake

sorry did not mean to inflict erasure on the valued astrophotographer community

as a possibly related aside

it seems to me that a fair chunk of contemporary photography has relatively little to do with pointing a camera at something and taking picture anyway

https://www.edelmangallery.com/exhibitions-and-projects/exhibition-pages/2018/michael-koerner.html theese images like more traditional photography capture some kind of natural phenomena under controlled conditions using chemistry

tabita rezaire produces a lot of odd highly aesthetic videos and imagery which feature original photography as a small but important component of her work https://vimeo.com/171298063 (probably :nws: in parts)

heres a series by marie clerel where each photo is a little unremarkable but when composed in a way is quite beautiful https://marieclerel.fr/MIDI

and this kind of thing also seems to be like photography https://www.idfa.nl/en/film/8aa351e2-1885-4b66-b760-e141114279a1/forest-on-location

heres another artist whos work is photography and about photography but is also sculpture and about that too http://www.felicityhammond.com/remains-in-development

i think for a long time i held strong opinions about what passes the smell test for photography which in retrospect feels kind of silly. visual art is all about image making and photography specifically about the translation of "the world" into an image but i think its also fair to say that these days one often finds that "the world" is about as made up as any image is really

Twenties Superstar
Oct 24, 2005

sugoi

bellows lugosi posted:

all i want to do in life is drive around endlessly taking photographs

same

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

bellows lugosi posted:

all i want to do in life is drive around endlessly taking photographs

It's hilarious to me how many iconic natural landscapes have been taken from a car parking lot. Photographers are actually extremely lazy.

tk
Dec 10, 2003

Nap Ghost
I very much enjoy behind-the-scenes vacation pictures because that’s how I remember vacation. Everything’s crowded, you’re waiting, the view is obstructed, half the poo poo is under construction, you’re waiting, the weather sucks, somebody is tired, etc. And you love every minute and can’t wait to do it again.

Here’s some from Ireland.



torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...
Shooting people being people is classic street photography. But, man I do like taking photos of people taking photos, but generally they're just for me and I enjoy them for a second or two while processing, and move on.

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




xzzy posted:

It's hilarious to me how many iconic natural landscapes have been taken from a car parking lot. Photographers are actually extremely lazy.

I was laying down in my hotel bed when I shot this

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

torgeaux posted:

Shooting people being people is classic street photography. But, man I do like taking photos of people taking photos, but generally they're just for me and I enjoy them for a second or two while processing, and move on.

One of my new hobbies is busting in and taking photos of people about to take a group photo. You get some looks



Need to explore it more but I think it's got legs.

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

I'd like to learn how to take better pictures (landscape), but classes, at least the stuff I see, NatGeo type things are like a million dollars it seems like. What are some alternatives? Are there clubs where people go on local trips to take pictures and compare notes on how to do so better?

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

I'd like to learn how to take better pictures (landscape), but classes, at least the stuff I see, NatGeo type things are like a million dollars it seems like. What are some alternatives? Are there clubs where people go on local trips to take pictures and compare notes on how to do so better?

Have you done much research on basic composition? I always recommend this YouTube playlist for starting out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-3zOuqaUBY

I'd also recommend posting your photos in PAD, in the landscape thread or in the Discord and requesting some feeback. Find some works you like, and post some of your own, it really helps talking about why a photo works or doesn't.
My local clubs have always been lacking in feedback and honest talk, but ymmv. They're usually good to get together and talk about gear in tho.

Megabound fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Mar 16, 2021

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

I'd like to learn how to take better pictures (landscape), but classes, at least the stuff I see, NatGeo type things are like a million dollars it seems like. What are some alternatives? Are there clubs where people go on local trips to take pictures and compare notes on how to do so better?

those classes are a great way to extract money from people

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

The best way to learn any photographic genre is to go out and take pictures and post them here so people can tell you how you suck. After 10 years of this you might start to show some competency.

Also devour other people's pictures. Find some photographers that work in a style that resonates with you and try to figure out why you like them. It's fine to straight up copy them early on but be aware that long term that won't work.. either people will get annoyed at you or you'll branch off and put your own spin on things. Or your tastes will change and you'll do something completely different.

If you're a more social type local groups and paid workshops are viable, I guess. It's a good way to talk in person about pictures and if you pay for a workshop you'll get escorted to famous spots but you're gonna spend a ton of money for the privilege.

Twenties Superstar
Oct 24, 2005

sugoi
some may tell you that reading about photography will make you better too but they are forgetting that a picture is worth a thousand words

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

imo it's also very important to print your work instead of just only looking at it on a monitor. you don't need to get fancy, even a 4x6 works

Nigel Tufnel
Jan 4, 2005
You can't really dust for vomit.
I feel like all of a sudden everyone is saying "make a photo" instead of "take a photo" (looking at you youtube photographers). Is this a US/UK thing or a deliberate framing of photography as more positive and active rather than 'taking' something that already exists.

Ric
Nov 18, 2005

Apocalypse dude


Make has been in use for decades by those seeking to express the deliberate role of the photographer. I picked it up from Meyerowitz. It became a debate on art photography twitter a few years ago and became ubiquitous. Youtube must have a different audience and the same is now happening there.

Nigel Tufnel
Jan 4, 2005
You can't really dust for vomit.
Yes didn’t mean to infer it hadn’t been used for decades already. Just seems particularly prevalent on YouTube all of a sudden.

It’s interesting because it sounds so odd to me and yet I don’t disagree with the premise at all. You wouldn’t ‘take’ a cake even though you didn’t yourself create any of the ingredients.

In many ways take speaks more to the attitude of ‘anyone could have taken that photo, that photographer just happened to be there’ which disregards such critical elements of knowing when to take make a shot as well as composition and post-processing / cropping etc

Nigel Tufnel fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Mar 18, 2021

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

Personally I'm all about snapping captures.

Surprise T Rex
Apr 9, 2008

Dinosaur Gum
Yeah, the intent of the phrase "make a photo" is positive, but even so the phrase itself just sounds really pretentious and awkward to me. :v:

Ric
Nov 18, 2005

Apocalypse dude


That depends entirely on delivery, whether it's quietly used in passing, or Thanks, but I actually made the photograph :smuggo:

Nigel Tufnel
Jan 4, 2005
You can't really dust for vomit.
I think maybe I'm poisoned against it because I think the first time I encountered it was when I was getting in to photography and I watched an Eric Kim video where he's doing street portraits and asking people "can I make a portrait of you". And everyone looks super confused.

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

eric kim's a loving dipshit, no wonder people were confused

Twenties Superstar
Oct 24, 2005

sugoi
I think when you capture an image with a camera you are often taking something. Perhaps it isn't material but especially when it's a portrait you can be making use of something that doesn't belong to you. I think recognising the politics which can be inherent to that is important. Regardless of what language you use there is a certain responsibility that should be taken in representation

real nap shit
Feb 2, 2008

i had a photography teacher at school say "make a photograph" so i started kinda saying it but i usually say "taking pictures" when casually talking

pootiebigwang
Jun 26, 2008

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

I'd like to learn how to take better pictures (landscape), but classes, at least the stuff I see, NatGeo type things are like a million dollars it seems like. What are some alternatives? Are there clubs where people go on local trips to take pictures and compare notes on how to do so better?

Coming into this thread hot after not posting here in years but MoMA has a free course that is actually very good and I highly encourage people to take it! It's led by the curator of photography and goes well beyond your typical "rule of thirds" technical kind of poo poo. They provide some great literature on photography and some great videos for no cost. It's not exclusively about landscapes but there are definitely some good things to take away from it.

https://www.coursera.org/learn/photography#enroll

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
(thought it would be okay to ask a general question here)

I've never been much good at photography, but I thought it might be a good thing to get my mind off some bad stuff. I have a Rebel XSi (an old, entry level model, I think; sadly no video capabilities, a year or so too early for that). I only got it back recently, after lending it for what ended up being 5 years, so I'm really rusty.

But anyway, I wanted to ask about storage. These pictures take up a lot space. I probably should just dedicate a drive for archiving, but is there is there a smarter or dumber way of saving photos? Do I need them to stay at 5MB?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

If you're taking any pictures you feel are of value, you'll want to keep the original files forever. That way you can always go back and re-edit them or work with the most data possible to get the best results out of whatever your output format is.

I don't know what your hardware situation or picture taking habits might be but a cheap 1TB drive can hold over 200k photos from your camera. That seems easy to do to me in 2021.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Thanks. Should I also be saving RAW files, or is that something I should only worry about if I get more serious about photography?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Well that's what I meant, keep the original raw files unless you are absolutely sure you hate the pictures and never want to look at them again. If you ever do get "serious" you'll want to be editing the original and there are limitations do how much you can get out of jpegs.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Yikes, the CR2 files are ~5x bigger. (That's still tens of thousands of photos in a TB drive)

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...
Keep everything. Drive space is cheap and will only get cheaper. If you get desperate, a run thru files in a year will be easy for you to dump photos.

mes
Apr 28, 2006

Anyone primarily storing and editing their Lightroom catalogue from an external drive? I'm just trying to figure out if there's weird caveats to doing it other than slower I/O comparted to an internal SSD.

I had to clean install Windows the other day on my primary machine and it made me realize that the only data that isn't primarily in the cloud for me are all my photos. I think I may go back to only having a single laptop in the future and the cost for additional SSD space is usually a killer.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

All my raw files are on a NAS and I have the catalog on my internal SSD. Lightroom stores previews in the same directory, so it's a good hyrbid approach. I have no issues with speed.. it's certainly not light speed (bottleneck is my gigabit network) but it's fast enough to get things done.

If you generate smart previews you can detach the original storage for a speed boost. There's some edits you can't do on smart previews but it's pretty flexible.

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

Shot half a roll of flash not on flash sync, just developed and every frame is a half frame.

:baduk:

mes
Apr 28, 2006

xzzy posted:

All my raw files are on a NAS and I have the catalog on my internal SSD. Lightroom stores previews in the same directory, so it's a good hyrbid approach. I have no issues with speed.. it's certainly not light speed (bottleneck is my gigabit network) but it's fast enough to get things done.

If you generate smart previews you can detach the original storage for a speed boost. There's some edits you can't do on smart previews but it's pretty flexible.

Nice, thanks for the good info. Editing stuff is a occasional thing for me nowadays so I can deal with not having all the files immediately available.

real nap shit
Feb 2, 2008

just got back from the Oregon coast, took 500 pics and hung out with my mom for a few days. I'll slowly be editing/posting pictures from the trip. great weather, good food, good time.

external storage is a godsend for me, never know when I'll want to use an image I took a few years ago or w/e. it's probably slower than an internal SSD but like has been mentioned it's totally workable, not really an issue for me. definitely keep all your raw images - I'm upset that I don't have my raw files from ~5+ years ago anymore.

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003

mes posted:

Anyone primarily storing and editing their Lightroom catalogue from an external drive? I'm just trying to figure out if there's weird caveats to doing it other than slower I/O comparted to an internal SSD.

I had to clean install Windows the other day on my primary machine and it made me realize that the only data that isn't primarily in the cloud for me are all my photos. I think I may go back to only having a single laptop in the future and the cost for additional SSD space is usually a killer.

I keep the catalog on my laptop and actively edit from the SSD. When I'm done with a set of photos I'll move them to an external drive within Lightroom (so it knows where the files are). Keeps SSD space usage down and for stuff I'm actively working on I get the speed benefits.

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

ORWO is making some noise about brining some films back, and not just for cine. UN54 would be nice to get in 120, but



Good news for film nerds. They've also talked about some colour film, and announced their companies have now also been reunited under one roof (ORWO and Agfa) and they'll be bringing new film and old emulsions out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNDPCwCHyiG/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

Megabound posted:

ORWO is making some noise about brining some films back, and not just for cine. UN54 would be nice to get in 120, but



Good news for film nerds. They've also talked about some colour film, and announced their companies have now also been reunited under one roof (ORWO and Agfa) and they'll be bringing new film and old emulsions out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNDPCwCHyiG/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This is cool and new b&w film is always cool, but what the film world really needs is someone else to make color film. Kodak is about to be the only game in town when Fuji finally sells off all their crap.

EDIT

speaking of fuji... https://kosmofoto.com/2021/03/fujifilm-announces-new-film-price-rise/

eggsovereasy fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Mar 31, 2021

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Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

We've got a photo contest running in GBS this month, pop in and make a submission!
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3964088

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