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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Anybody use a WhamBam flexi plate? I was able to scavenge one from another goon's printer for my Mono X and got it to print last night. Need to fiddle a bit with some details, but my main question is about cleaning it. Is resin going to damage the magnet or dissolve the glue or anything? Do I need to be washing the build plate off as well now? For my solid build plate I just scraped the prints off then put it right back on the printing arm and left it for the next print. Does that cause problems now?

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Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
I didn't have a whambam one but the magnet glue holding the cheap flexplate I got did eventually weaken and come off the build plate. Only noticeable when I was pulling the plate off, didn't mess up any prints. This was also a cheap AliExpress one and after about 18 months of use so I'd say I got my money's worth.

Electric Hobo
Oct 22, 2008


Grimey Drawer
It looks my my incredibly old Anycubic Mega Zero is completely dead now. What's a cheap FDM printer that isn't complete garbage? I don't care about printing in multiple colors, but some QOL upgrades compared to my old one would be nice.

Tornhelm
Jul 26, 2008

Electric Hobo posted:

It looks my my incredibly old Anycubic Mega Zero is completely dead now. What's a cheap FDM printer that isn't complete garbage? I don't care about printing in multiple colors, but some QOL upgrades compared to my old one would be nice.

Depending on the materials/size of stuff you print, probably the A1 (now its fixed) or A1 mini without the AMS. Throw in the nozzle bundle and it comes with a smooth PEI sheet as well as quick swap 0.2 stainless steel and hardened steel 0.4/0.6 nozzles for abrasive filaments.

Tornhelm fucked around with this message at 14:56 on May 2, 2024

Funzo
Dec 6, 2002



I've been very happy with my Elegoo Neptune. I've had a Neptune 3 Pro for several months now and It's been great.

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

bird food bathtub posted:

Anybody use a WhamBam flexi plate? I was able to scavenge one from another goon's printer for my Mono X and got it to print last night. Need to fiddle a bit with some details, but my main question is about cleaning it. Is resin going to damage the magnet or dissolve the glue or anything? Do I need to be washing the build plate off as well now? For my solid build plate I just scraped the prints off then put it right back on the printing arm and left it for the next print. Does that cause problems now?

They're good, I use them (or knockoffs) on all my resin printers.

There good but you'll definitely see issues with the adhesives over time. Spot of CA glue can fix it up in a pinch

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!
Getting a bunch of Phrozen Hyperfine resin may have been a slight mistake. It's good but it seems fragile, I think the Aqua 8K Grey may be a better all-around choice. Oh well, it's here so I'll use it :v:

Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
Anyone getting the fancy Saturn 4? Wondering if the tilt-print thing is worth the hype.

Electric Hobo
Oct 22, 2008


Grimey Drawer
I preordered the regular Saturn 4 instead of getting a new FDM.
The tilt thing didn't seem to be worth €100 to me. And the AI camera definitely wasn't worth it.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Springfield Fatts posted:

Anyone getting the fancy Saturn 4? Wondering if the tilt-print thing is worth the hype.

I am pretty happy with my Saturn 2, and since I have had it I printed off a bajillion things and now I am really slowing down in my printing, so I am going to wait for the 5. They seem to release a model every year, and this seems like a big enough change I don't want to be on the ground floor. Especially since I get really good results with the printer I have now. It seems like all the features just make it easier for people to get good prints quicker, or to print more quickly. I don't really need to print more quickly, I cannot keep up with what I print now, and I know my printer pretty well. It looks like a nice machine though, would love to see how the tilt works.

Robert Facepalmer
Jan 10, 2019


Springfield Fatts posted:

Anyone getting the fancy Saturn 4? Wondering if the tilt-print thing is worth the hype.

Not really. Maybe in a couple generations once the kinks are worked out, but right now it sounds like one more thing to break or gently caress up.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





I also think there are a few competing technologies, one that uses air and blows on the underside of the fep, on that uses a wiper blade style thing, and the Saturn that tilts. I would really like to see how all 3 styles perform and if there are clear advantages to any specific type of them.

Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
Fauxhammer seemed legitimately impressed by it but I'm not in the need for 3x faster prints for $500. Interesting concept though.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





I am not sure what it is exactly about Fauxhammer, but I find it really hard to like their content in any capacity. And their website, which I look at to learn about various GW partwork magazines, is like some sort of web 1.0 ad infested hell.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes
I might upgrade to a Saturn 4, I;m currently running an OG Saturn, and it works fine but I'd really like something with an air filter and a heater, and it looks like both will be available for the S4.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Really annoyed that I bought a Saturn 3 ultra just in time for this to come out. :mad:

Ego Trip
Aug 28, 2012

A tenacious little mouse!


The saturn 4 ultra gives up 40 mm in build area height compared to the 3 ultra.

Injuryprone
Sep 26, 2007

Speak up, there's something in my ear.

It is also only $400 during the preorder

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Oh, is that temporary?

Injuryprone
Sep 26, 2007

Speak up, there's something in my ear.

Yeah, it went up April 15th. No clue how long the preorder typically lasts.

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Springfield Fatts posted:

Anyone getting the fancy Saturn 4? Wondering if the tilt-print thing is worth the hype.

I just upgraded my capacity and bought a laser cutter so I'm a bit out of funds for one at the moment. It looks really good, but I'm very concerned about how the tilt mechanisms going to handle fep leaks and just general spills.

All the tech upgrades etc sound great, but a spills pretty inevitable. The fact they even include a "bib" for the thing tells me they recognize it's an issue but don't want to explicitly call it out.

Deviant posted:

Really annoyed that I bought a Saturn 3 ultra just in time for this to come out. :mad:

The 3 ultra is a great printer, I wouldn't be too annoyed. It's really easy to chase the latest and greatest resin printers, but they're all pretty solid. Heck, this probably won't even be elegoos newest printer in 6 months

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
What advantage is tilting supposed to provide? Adding mechanical complexity is pretty suspect to me and I don't see the benefits this trade-off is supposed to provide.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Allegedly it improves speed and reduces pull forces for greater FEP life.

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

pretty much print time, and wear and tear. The sort of print times they're suggesting would cut my print times by 6 which is wild.

moving the vat around might also help agitate the resin which has some advantages if you are mixing in any mica powder etc, but thats super niche at this point.

The complexity inst the biggest issue for me, and elegoos support has been fantastic. That I'd personally wait for the second iteration of things, and to actually see some reviews of this thing in the wild

Ego Trip
Aug 28, 2012

A tenacious little mouse!


I can print faster than I can do anything with those prints. Passed on the fast settings thing a couple years ago too for the same reasons.

The heater and self leveling are what I'm watching. I bet 2026 will be wild.

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Ego Trip posted:

I can print faster than I can do anything with those prints. Passed on the fast settings thing a couple years ago too for the same reasons.

The heater and self leveling are what I'm watching. I bet 2026 will be wild.

Yeah honestly. Phenom put out a printer with a heated resin vat, and it's the one feature I've been waiting to see pop out everywhere.

Unless your printing a ton of volume for business (me, queeb, a few others), any printer with at least a mono screen from the last few years is more than enough. I'm still running a Saturn 1 pretty regularly and it's really solid

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
The prospect of less wear - and therefore less changing - does appeal to me, but the heated vat and self levelling are also the eye-catchers to me. Stuff that means I need to spend less time loving around is definitely a priority to me.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

PROCEED
I think the most gimmicky thing is the 'AI' camera detecting print failures. Anecdotally, those don't seem to work super well even for FDM printers.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



I dabbled (at work) with a filament-based 3d printer, and I'm thinking about picking up a resin printer for home. I have basically 0 3D printing stuff at home right now.

I'm seriously considering the Saturn 4 Ultra and I know I'll need the washing/curing station, resin and an air filter, but should I grab the heater, replacement films and whatnot also? It's going to be living in our (infrequently used) guest bedroom, which is usually kept in the 69-72f range.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

actually3raccoons posted:

I dabbled (at work) with a filament-based 3d printer, and I'm thinking about picking up a resin printer for home. I have basically 0 3D printing stuff at home right now.

I'm seriously considering the Saturn 4 Ultra and I know I'll need the washing/curing station, resin and an air filter, but should I grab the heater, replacement films and whatnot also? It's going to be living in our (infrequently used) guest bedroom, which is usually kept in the 69-72f range.

That's on the cool side for some resins, 80 or 90F will probably give you better success rates and therefore a heater will be helpful. Phrozen Ultrafine resin in particular seems to really need high temps to not have print failures.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



Oh cool, thanks!

I think I'll go for the neat add-on toys and see how it goes!

Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
Also if it's going to be in your house you might want to consider an extractor. My spouse despises the smell of the resin so it's never leaving our garage.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



It looks like the air filter Elegoo sells is doing that? Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong and dumb lol

https://us.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-mars-mate-large-air-purifier

Robert Facepalmer
Jan 10, 2019


That is just an air purifier, an extractor has like a hood or enclosure with a fan that dumps the dirty air outside.

I just checked with a buddy that I thought had one and he said that even just as a purifier it suuuuuuuucked (actually, it did NOT suck). He got a plant grow hood from like Amazon that already had an air tube that he connected to a window fan he had.

The grow hood was nice as it also helped insulate the printers with a heater, but you can't really run the fan with the heaters or it will dump all the warm air outside. So he'll get things started/heating, then when the prints are done turn on the fan for 5-10 minutes to dump the dirty air before he opens the hood up.

Robert Facepalmer fucked around with this message at 21:55 on May 9, 2024

Ego Trip
Aug 28, 2012

A tenacious little mouse!


A purifier tries to cover up the smell.
You want to take the contaminated air and mix it with good air until it's not dangerous anymore. Get a grow fan and pipe that poo poo outside.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

spectralent posted:

The prospect of less wear - and therefore less changing - does appeal to me, but the heated vat and self levelling are also the eye-catchers to me. Stuff that means I need to spend less time loving around is definitely a priority to me.

Agreed, speed of printing doesn't mean much to me given how slowly I actually paint and complete things, but lower failure rates, better print quality and less maintenance of the machine itself? Those are big deals. I will resist the urge to :retrogames: until I read some actual reviews of the new machine after it comes out though.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

spectralent posted:

Allegedly it improves speed and reduces pull forces for greater FEP life.

Reducing pull force should also reduce failure rates by models tearing off of their supports, right? I've been having that failure mode frequently with Ultrafine resin, I bought several bottles of it because I was lured by the idea of MAXIMUM DETAIL but it seems super fragile.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
I didn't even thinking about that, but that'd be great if it works out that way, yeah.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


I did end up buying a 4 Ultra, so I'll review it when it arrives, and I may have a barely-used S3 Ultra for sale.

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Toebone
Jul 1, 2002

Start remembering what you hear.
It’s getting warm enough in the workshop to get the resin printer set up again, what are some good mini patreons with welcome bundles? Sci-fi and fantasy mostly

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