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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


lol she wasn't in the dancing game, don't be silly

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Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

lol weird. for some reason I could have sworn she was, never played it myself. the P3R leadup had people elsewhere say there was a "high quality official model" they could rip for FemC for an eventual mod so I just took that at face value. I guess people were just...saying things for no reason??

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


people have modded her in i think but yeah she's not in it

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
The only time FeMC has appeared out of P3P in a game was like... Persona Q2.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
It's persona 5 for China because apparently P5 never got exported there??

Sunk Dunk
Apr 14, 2021
Replaying P5R after playing P3 and P4 makes me realize I really don't like the framing device used in P5R. The flashbacks when you meet a new confidant seemed forced 75% of the time. Oh...you could move gracefully.......WHO TAUGHT YOU GYMNASTICS???

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Sunk Dunk posted:

Replaying P5R after playing P3 and P4 makes me realize I really don't like the framing device used in P5R. The flashbacks when you meet a new confidant seemed forced 75% of the time. Oh...you could move gracefully.......WHO TAUGHT YOU GYMNASTICS???

this has been said

p5 shows its seams a lot more than the other entries. part of the reason the new semester is so well-received is probably because it wasn’t Frankensteined together from like five different drafts across development

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


The Confidant flashforwards are fun the first couple times and then they very quickly run out of material

cock hero flux
Apr 17, 2011



Sunk Dunk posted:

Replaying P5R after playing P3 and P4 makes me realize I really don't like the framing device used in P5R. The flashbacks when you meet a new confidant seemed forced 75% of the time. Oh...you could move gracefully.......WHO TAUGHT YOU GYMNASTICS???

i was really sad when there wasn't a payoff to this where you respond with "your sister, lmao" and piss sae off

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

The entire framing device would've been worth it if Sae became a confident, it played the flash forward animation and then you were just on the same day in the same room and she's like "oh.. right."

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

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Sunk Dunk posted:

Replaying P5R after playing P3 and P4 makes me realize I really don't like the framing device used in P5R. The flashbacks when you meet a new confidant seemed forced 75% of the time. Oh...you could move gracefully.......WHO TAUGHT YOU GYMNASTICS???

lol yeah, I love this video's take on that (around 2:30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYJkmRcx8xQ

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
I think one other problem with P5 is that the final month doesn't have as good of a 'doom and gloom' feeling compared to the other two modern games.

P3 had more and more of the city turning into the Lost. P4 was just gloomy with the fog everywhere and more people buying gas masks.

P5 you had... more and more people cheering on Shido?

Janissary Hop
Sep 2, 2012

ApplesandOranges posted:

I think one other problem with P5 is that the final month doesn't have as good of a 'doom and gloom' feeling compared to the other two modern games.

P3 had more and more of the city turning into the Lost. P4 was just gloomy with the fog everywhere and more people buying gas masks.

P5 you had... more and more people cheering on Shido?

People were acting pretty brainwashed about the Shido thing. But that's really only a threat to the MC personally, it's not an apocalyptic situation (until the apocalypse happens).

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


You can also do 'gloom and doom in the final month' only so many times until people start getting sick of that too.

anakha fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 29, 2024

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

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ApplesandOranges posted:

I think one other problem with P5 is that the final month doesn't have as good of a 'doom and gloom' feeling compared to the other two modern games.

P3 had more and more of the city turning into the Lost. P4 was just gloomy with the fog everywhere and more people buying gas masks.

P5 you had... more and more people cheering on Shido?

I read that part as a continuation of the "it's about bad structures, not bad individuals" theme, and the Phantom Thieves coming to that realization almost too late in the story. They're not feeling doom and gloom so much as acute frustration. From their perspective, they've done all the things they were supposed to do. Hell, they got the PM-elect of Japan to tearfully admit on national TV that he is a monster who headed a conspiracy to take over all levels of Japanese society. Of course, thinking that taking out Shido would make everyone wake up from their stupor demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding about the makings of fascism. Shido doesn't need to actively participate in his movement for it to continue; his team will just Weekend at Bernie's him around and not let him get near a microphone (or just replace him after announcing he died of a stroke or whatever), while his supporters will continue to believe what they want to believe about him. Not that any of this resembles the real-world state of politics or anything. Couldn't be us!

It's depressing to the PTs, sure, but it's also extremely frustrating. I think that's the tone that the final month is supposed to convey: "we've spilled blood, sweat, and tears hitting all of these targets. What the hell are we supposed to do next? How is the deck STILL so stacked against us?"

I agree that the writers could have done a better job of conveying that on a personal level, though. It would have been nice to have had some more intimate, one-on-one conversations between Ren and his individual comrades (or among other PTs without Ren, even), in which they express the toll this whole thing is taking on their emotional health.

anakha posted:

You can also do 'gloom and doom in the final month' only so many times until perople start getting sick of that too.

There's also that. There's something to be said for keeping the pacing brisk, especially this late in the game.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
i actually think p5 needs less scenes where the cast yapped about how sad they are to the MC 1 to 1

FireWorksWell
Nov 27, 2014

Let's go do some hero shit!


Sunk Dunk posted:

Replaying P5R after playing P3 and P4 makes me realize I really don't like the framing device used in P5R. The flashbacks when you meet a new confidant seemed forced 75% of the time. Oh...you could move gracefully.......WHO TAUGHT YOU GYMNASTICS???

Aside from how funny it was that the writers had to reach at some points to fit the format, it was great for the "someone must have taught you how to use firearms" and it cuts back to a little boy.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


FireWorksWell posted:

Aside from how funny it was that the writers had to reach at some points to fit the format, it was great for the "someone must have taught you how to use firearms" and it cuts back to a little boy.

it doesn't even make sense for her to ask that! you're carrying airsoft guns!!!!!

lmao

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

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Arist posted:

it doesn't even make sense for her to ask that! you're carrying airsoft guns!!!!!

lmao

That's just her process, man. She holds that 100% conviction rate for a reason - her instincts are just that good. Don't question it!:smugbert:

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

Majorian posted:

That's just her process, man. She holds that 100% conviction rate for a reason - her instincts are just that good. Don't question it!:smugbert:

correct

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

Like I 100% believe that in the metaverse bullshit video game shooting strats work out just fine. But the police should not see Joker doing some video game stuff and go 'oh poo poo this guy is great'.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
I mean it doesn't really make sense that Sae would have any information on your Metaverse activities, like shooting guns and doing sick acrobatics, unless her "reports" are just a statement from the cops who watched him shoot a Moloch and jump through a stained glass window.

unless Akechi submitted reports during his time as a sidekick, gushing about what a badass Joker is

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

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Hellioning posted:

Like I 100% believe that in the metaverse bullshit video game shooting strats work out just fine. But the police should not see Joker doing some video game stuff and go 'oh poo poo this guy is great'.

If them beating the poo poo out of him and shooting him up with drugs is any indication, they don't think it's great.


Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I mean it doesn't really make sense that Sae would have any information on your Metaverse activities, like shooting guns and doing sick acrobatics, unless her "reports" are just a statement from the cops who watched him shoot a Moloch and jump through a stained glass window.

unless Akechi submitted reports during his time as a sidekick, gushing about what a badass Joker is

That's pretty much my assumption: Akechi is her sole source.

staberind
Feb 20, 2008

but i dont wanna be a spaceship
Fun Shoe

so yeah this... uh... thing we summoned from your heart, seems there was an accident and it dont vibe with us.
is there a "Cretin" arcana?

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Ose's not looking too hot these days.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

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Looks more like Nancy Pel-ose to me.:v:

\/\/\/that's fair, I've had it coming for a while\/\/\/

Majorian fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Mar 30, 2024

Your Uncle Dracula
Apr 16, 2023

Majorian posted:

Looks more like Nancy Pel-ose to me.:v:

Mods, kill this man.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Someone need to explain to me why (P5 spoilers) Akechi is so popular. He's mid as hell and his motives are dumb as hell

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

People love a rival

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Tired Moritz posted:

Someone need to explain to me why (P5 spoilers) Akechi is so popular. He's mid as hell and his motives are dumb as hell

Are we talking P5 or P5 Royal?

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Tired Moritz posted:

Someone need to explain to me why (P5 spoilers) Akechi is so popular. He's mid as hell and his motives are dumb as hell

Vague homoeroticism.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Tired Moritz posted:

Someone need to explain to me why (P5 spoilers) Akechi is so popular. He's mid as hell and his motives are dumb as hell

Hunt11 posted:

Are we talking P5?

ApplesandOranges posted:

Vague homoeroticism.

In OG P5? Mainly this.

Hunt11 posted:

or P5 Royal?

The new writing crew actually made Akechi a fleshed-out character in Royal which is no mean feat.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
also, Robbie Daymond

E: per exemple (Royal spoilers)

cardinale
Jul 11, 2016

anakha posted:

In OG P5? Mainly this.

The new writing crew actually made Akechi a fleshed-out character in Royal which is no mean feat.

Yes, Akechi was kinda nothing in og P5 but they did jazz him up a lot in Royal and I ended up enjoying him more.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Zulily Zoetrope posted:

also, Robbie Daymond

E: per exemple (Royal spoilers)

Also supports the reason mentioned below.

ApplesandOranges posted:

Vague homoeroticism.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


They want him to kiss Joker, OP

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

Tired Moritz posted:

Someone need to explain to me why (P5 spoilers) Akechi is so popular. He's mid as hell and his motives are dumb as hell

I think he is a good boy who deserved better. Also, atlus is a coward when they refuse to let Joker date boys.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

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ApplesandOranges posted:

Vague homoeroticism.

Yeah, that is especially the case with some of the Japanese fandom re - "Soft Boy Akechi" (ie: pre-heel turn). A reddit reply quoted some really interesting responses from fans who voted in the big "favorite character" poll. There's also a lot of sympathy with the sadness of his story, how he was manipulated by Shido, and of course the value that Japanese culture places on politeness and all that. I don't know where they accessed these responses, or speak more than a couple words of Japanese, but here's what they say some of the responses were:

quote:

1: "For better or for worse, his relationship to the protagonist was 'light' and 'darkness'. I really wanted to see him living, laughing and crying together as friends, a genuine image of him actually being alive." (Ryuuna/Female/34 years old)

2: "There was just too little time from when he revealed his true self until the end. In my heart I want to understand what kind of a life he led up until now." (Oda/Female/28 years old)

3: "I like both his polite, well-mannered youth face and his true face! In my heart he's a Phantom Thief too! I want to meet him again! I believe that he's alive!" (I Want to Eat Pancakes with Akechi/Female/30 years old)

4: "I want a story from his point of view." (Akechi Cheerleader Group/Female/21 years old)

5: "[Something something]. He's not strong like Adachi-san from P4. When he screams his final line it sounds like he's trying to say 'help me'. I like how weak he is." (Taro/Female/28 years old)

6: "I have so many thoughts about him, but in my heart I'm just praying that he had some moment in his life that he was happy. [gently caress it I give up this poo poo's unreadable]" (Hinamorimi/Female/22 years old)

7: "Akechi-kun, the most pitiable of all. I wanted to save him [yeah I'm at least 30% confident that says 救いたかった]. I was so happy when he joined the party. I wanted an ending where he atones for his crimes and the Phantom Thieves [something-ed] Akechi-kun." (Throat [looks like 喉 but I'm probably wrong] /Female/30 years old)

8: "He did his best living a very lonely life, and really I cried my eyes out during that last scene when he apologises to the Phantom Thieves. I really like how awkward he is at times." (Ako/Female/22 years old)

9: "If I met him again, I'd go eat pancakes with him in Omotesando and then go to a sweets festival with him." (kemrin/Male/24 years old)

10: "I always think, what if he'd met the protagonist earlier? But it's so sad to think that this is nothing more than a 'what if'." (Yoshiya/Female/28 years old)

11: "I like his cheerful dancing during the all-out attack. (Lukewarm Water/Female/16 years old)

12: "He has a strong sence of justice, but also shadows in his heart. When you go back to Leblanc and he's there drinking coffee, the tension goes up (hehe)." (Natsu/Female/24 years old)

Personally, like a lot of Western P5 fans I didn't like Akechi until the showdown in Shido's palace. Of course, once I got into the third semester I grew to absolutely love him, because of course I did, dudes rock.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 31, 2024

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Arist posted:

They want him to kiss Joker, OP

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wizard2
Apr 4, 2022
wth, there's no gay people in Persona...

:confused:

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