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As I mention in the previous thread but what’s the best advice for fighting Shido ? I have been using Melchizedek but also have Ananta. Now I was a moron and didn’t Max out many of my confidants and don’t really have access to other Personas atm as I’m only level 60. I nearly had Shido beat earlier, but I didn’t guard during his last form and he insta-killed me when he charged up. Still, just getting to that point was a 20-30min grind. So the insta-kill was really deflating.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:19
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Harrow posted:Did you max out the Strength confidant? If so, Abaddon is super helpful in the fight for debuffing the boss and dealing damage. If you haven't maxed Strength, it takes no in-game time and as long as you have the money to do some fusion you can do it all at once. Debilitate makes a huge difference. Yea Reddit said the same thing, but I...have been lax on maxing out confidants. Anyway I beat him by having Morgana and Makoto focus on healing and then laying into him with me and Ryuji. I made *sure* to pay close attention to when he was amping up for a big attack and guard when needed. Even then, it was close at times! Anyway Palace finished and now comes my favorite part - free time to do whatever I want! Gonna focus on maxing out as many of my Confidants as I can since it’s late November and the end game is clearly coming...
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Feb 21, 2021 05:59
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Harrow posted:I added this to the post below the OP. Anyone else have any tips to add? This is incredibly handy and something I wish I read before starting Royal! Oh well, will be keeping all this in mind whenever I start P4:G.
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Feb 21, 2021 19:30
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I spent three hours today listening to the P5 soundtrack while doing chores and I still want more. Also I skip none of the tracks. It’s that good.
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Feb 22, 2021 01:31
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I think there are still improvements that can be done, graphics wise, but nothing revolutionary. Keeping in mind that Persona 5 was developed first and foremost as a PS3 game, and only ported to PS4. For one, you could have much larger "hub" areas on a PS5 powered Persona 5. Imagine the Shibuya crossing rendered at near-scale with the enormous crowds to boot. Also of course I would be ecstatic to play a Persona game with "Anime/Manga Graphics" rendered at 4K and 60fps. In addition to the fancier lighting (ray-tracing), shadows, animations as previously mentioned by Harrow. Hell, I would pay $$$$ for a Persona 5 remaster that had the artwork re-done and upscaled to 4K and 60fps.
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Feb 22, 2021 16:18
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Considering Atlus’s track record with LGBTQ characters I don’t think I could trust them to handle a Gay relationship. At least now. Maybe they can have a change of heart and write some good LGBTQ characters for Persona 6! I mean, FF7 Remake took the Honey Bee scene which was originally a transgender/cross dress gag and turned it into a really amazing dance/music number and genuinely emotionally up-lifting scene about breaking gender norms.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:45
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Funky Valentine posted:Morgana trades being a perv for being huge piece of poo poo to half the team (but mostly Ryuji.) Morgana is a huge perv and an rear end in a top hat ...but he’s also a talking cat that cuddles with you at night so that’s his saving grace. I’ll reserve judgment on Teddy until I can play P4 but so far I haven’t heard anyone say anything positive about him. *edit* I’m also playing with Japanese voices so maybe that’s why Morgana seems less creepy?
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Feb 23, 2021 04:21
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ApplesandOranges posted:Let me date Ryuji darn it. I want to believe this was originally an option, especially that scene where Ryuji calls you late at night after your *death* and seems like he wants to pour his heart out to you, then changes his mind and says "um,never mind" and hangs up Also I stick by Makato because technically she ain't a cop yet and she's an idealistic teenager, so I pretend the antagonist can change her heart at some point. Also I'm totally helping a sketchy former-Yakuza member with his faux weapons-front store do shady poo poo and working at a seedy bar at night so at some point we're gonna have to square that.
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Feb 23, 2021 19:46
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Sojiro is my favorite character in Persona 5 and I don’t think that’s a hot take? He is a Good Man who has done his fair share of gently caress ups and just doesn’t want the kids to make his same mistakes. Like when you first meet him he acts cold and it is initially implied he’s a womanizer but instead it turns out that’s all a front he puts up and instead he spends most of his time caring for Futaba and just being alone. 
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Feb 24, 2021 03:11
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Ok so I’m at what I assume is the final dungeon (finally!) which is just a straight shot to The Holy Grail and “Life Will Change” is playing and I just said out loud “let’s loving end this!” Goddamn love this game. https://youtu.be/3FkTZckxdec
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Feb 27, 2021 17:22
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So does the third semester just ...start? I beat the final boss, went through a bunch of cutscenes, then suddenly had a weird dream where I am in the school and later on I wake up with Morgana next to me but Morgana is human. Just curious If I am past where the base game ends and the extra Royal content begins.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:23
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Also I’ve heard people say Makoto isn’t funny but I all laughed pretty hard at this and I imagine the localization folks knew exactly what they were doing with this line.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:36
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Oh man in Royal the alt reality where Futaba’s mom is alive and her, Wakaba, and Sojiro are one happy family is peak
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Feb 28, 2021 03:45
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In my mind the canon scenario for adult Phantom Thieves is : Ryuji/Morgana/Joker all three take over Leblanc and then no one questions why Ryuji/Joker share the loft upstairs. Mishima seems to visit daily to write on his blog. Makoto becomes disillusioned in the Police Academy and instead goes to Law School and works to take down corrupt cops/politicians Ann becomes a famous model. Ends up with Shiho. Futaba works as a security engineer Haru makes her fathers business successful and opens a bunch of organic fast-casual food concepts Yusuke creates a famous piece of artwork, gets known in Japan. But finds his true calling in teaching. Becomes Madarame but not evil.
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Feb 28, 2021 16:28
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Harrow posted:Makoto wanting to become a cop is one of the more baffling things to me in Persona 5. I know that Persona 5 is ultimately a pretty idealistic game and the setting includes the concept of the mythical Good Cop (Dojima, Makoto's dad, Zenkichi) but I always thought becoming a defense attorney or, like Solaris suggested, a lawyer who goes after cooked cops would be a better way to achieve her stated goals. Yea this is my thinking. I ended up with Makoto on my play through because “uptight honors student ends up with delinquent and they learn from each other” just feels right. Also of all the romance options she has the least amount of baggage. I think she just wants to be a cop because she’s a idealistic 16 year old and her father was a cop and she thinks that’s the best way to reform the system. But she will quickly learn ACAB and go on to law school instead because that just makes the most sense for her character growth. Also yes Joker totally should be with Ryuji or Yusuke. Especially Ryuji.
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Feb 28, 2021 17:00
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I feel like some of Morgana’s wannabe “noble knight” does come across in the English translation, but it’s spotty. Also he still very much has an...obsession with Ann. I still enjoy his character but I do wish I could experience what he is really supposed to be like with the native Japanese writing.
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Mar 1, 2021 05:29
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Do most people play with the English VA? Typically if I watch Anime I notice I tend to prefer the Japanese VA with English subtitles and I’m playing Persona 5 the same way. Also the game is supposed to take place in Japan so having the characters speak Japanese just seems natural to me. Now I don’t speak or understand Japanese at all, but As Endorph said with the Japanese VA Morgana seems to be a bit more aggressive when compared to the English VA. At least , from comparing YouTube videos. In general though I really enjoy the Japanese voice acting. Based on the tone at least, it feels spot on for the characters they are portraying. In particular I like Yusukes VA. Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Mar 1, 2021 05:51
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Badger of Basra posted:I hate myself a little for liking Kasumi when they're putting her in my face so much as someone they really want me to like. She’s fine, I do agree with the others she feels a little forced at first, and the constant “Senpai” is a little too much, but she grew on me. And by the third semester she really comes into her own, character wise.
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Mar 2, 2021 03:11
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So I just completed the color bridge puzzle in Maruki’s Palace I have to be near the end right? I’m really enjoying the extra content of the third semester, but also I’m 130 hours into P5R and...I’m starting to burn out a little, but goddamn I am determined to finish it before moving on to a different game... ...which will probably be Persona 4G lol.
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Mar 4, 2021 18:52
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:
Yea I think this is a common complaint. I was well behind on maxing out my confidants by November and, unfortunately, I ended up neglecting Haru. Even now well into the extra Royal bonus content I only have Haru ranked 3 or 4. Also it was funny because her confidant is all about growing vegetables so there I am helping her grow tomatoes in the middle of....January.
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Mar 5, 2021 00:14
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Badger of Basra posted:Forcing you to refuse to let Kasumi join for Shido’s palace is so stupid! Yea the game is like “she’s not ready!” despite the fact you just had several critical scenes in Sae’s casino where she kicks rear end and saves you.
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Mar 5, 2021 01:09
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Good god I thought rejecting Haru is bad but When Sumire straight up tells you she loves you, always has, and can only now work up the confidence to tell you and all you can respond with is “let’s just stay friends...ok?” Ouch.
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Mar 5, 2021 03:57
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I really like Hifumi's confidant arc, so yea it's a shame she never became a party member.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:45
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Well I did it, I got to the ending credits which means after 133 hours I completed all of P5R. It was far from a perfect playthough, given my inexperience with JRPGs and the Persona series in general. I missed out on maxing out a fair deal of confidants, and my Persona fusions were...less than stellar. But I don't care, this game turned out to be an all-time great gaming experience for me. For two months this was literally the only game I was playing. I keep thinking about what kept bringing me back, was it the slick style, the incredible music, the multilayered battle system, palace exploration? It was the characters and the writing. Seriously, this game has the best characterizations and writing I've ever seen in a video game since....Mass Effect 2, Witcher 3? And I think it even tops those games. Every character felt like a real person to me, and I wanted to get to know all of them more, even after the credits. There were times I would force myself to turn off the game because I was getting too into it, and had to tend to my own reality (a major theme in the game itself!). A part of me feels a little sad now that it is all over. As for the writing, goddamn. Some scenes could be an absolute emotional gut-punch, and other bits of dialogue had me literally laughing out loud. I came into this game thinking it would be the RPG battles and palace explorations that would be the meat and potatoes, but for me it was the slice-of-life stuff and characters that kept me coming back. Certain palaces I wanted to finish sooner, just so I could go back to hanging out with my Phantom Thieves friends. I don't think I will ever have it in me to do a NG+. However I cannot wait to play Persona 4G and then Strikers. But I'm going to take a week or three off before I start P4G. Catch up on some of the other games and TV shows, because now I know, once you start a Persona game, it will be the only thing I will play until completion Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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Mar 6, 2021 16:25
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Ok I lied in my post about waiting "weeks" before starting P4G...I couldn't even make it 24 hours. I started playing something else (Control) but found my mind wandering and wanting something more upbeat, more...Persona. Said "gently caress it why not" and loaded up P4G on Steam. I'm an hour in and the first murder has occurred but so far it seems promising. I like the music, it is definitely more J-pop and boppy but I think it fits well with the time frame of the game (mid-2000s?) and I find myself nodding along to it. The graphics are surprisingly good, especially the character models. I can't believe this was originally a PS2 game. The hub areas are of course smaller because of it's PS2 roots, but it doesn't seem to hold the game back because it is suppose to take place in a small town. The sound seems a little muted compared to how crisp it was in PS5, but again, I think that's because of it's PS2 roots. Otherwise, so far, it feels like more Persona! And this alone makes me happy.
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Mar 6, 2021 22:28
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Harrow posted:For reference, Persona 4 takes place in 2011-12. Persona 3 is in 2009-10, and Persona 5 is in 2016-17. Really? Everyone in the game has CRT TV's and flip phones though! Then again, it is rural Japan...
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Mar 6, 2021 22:34
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Ok another observation. Despite the fact the father is never around, and Nanako orders take-out every night, Yu has a much more varied and healthier diet than Joker. Who spent a year subsisting on coffee, curry, and Big Bang Burger. With the occasional all you can eat buffet and sushi and ramen. Even Kawakami scolds you for your poo poo diet lol.
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Mar 7, 2021 15:59
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Ok so I made it to the first dungeon in P4G and holy moly are the shadows a lot tougher than they were in P5R. On normal in P5R I died under a dozen times my entire 135 hour playthrough. Already in P4G (on normal) I’ve seen the “game over” screen five times. In particular one enemy has a nasty finishing move where it explodes before it does and, because you don’t get a chance to guard, can easily wipe the whole party out. I read a few guides and the advice seems to be the old school JRPG standard of “gotta grind” with a recommended level of 15(!) for the fight against shadow yukiko (I am currently level 7) Besides grinding, anyone got tips for the early game? I do love the shuffle card system way better than the negotiations from Persona 5, so getting additional Persona’s to use for fusions seems easier.
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Mar 9, 2021 15:02
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Harrow posted:I think I was probably level 10 or 11 for that boss on my latest playthrough, something like that. One thing that really helps on that boss is fusing a persona with Media. wow that is a game-changer. Yea I'm outside the room where I assume the main boss is, as the game is telling me "hey there is something big and bad behind this door are you ready??" I'll turn up the EXP and grind a little. Not to level 15, but probably closer to 10-12. One habit I got into from P5 is diving into dungeons as soon as they become available, so I got plenty of time and I may even leave and buy more items/ fuse some Personas before I take on the final boss.
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Mar 9, 2021 15:26
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Harrow posted:What floor are you on? There are minibosses as well that I think you get that warning for. I might be before the mini-boss then. I am on floor...5 or 6? Also I am playing on normal, but honestly some of my deaths might be because I was playing like I had level 90 characters from my Persona 5R endgame run that could just absorb a ton of damage and I didn't realize how quickly my (or my teammates) health was depleting. Oh man am I missing the baton pass so much too. "One More" just isn't the same if I can't chain attack's together with my teammates to exploit weaknesses.
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Mar 9, 2021 16:19
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I also felt that the Madarame and Shido connection P5 casually tosses out near the end of Shido’s palace felt forced.
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Mar 10, 2021 15:13
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Harrow posted:In general I think that's true about pretty much everything with Shido. The plot element that all of the villainous Palace rulers be part of the same grand conspiracy is really weird and unfortunately undermines a lot of P5's "changing society" angle. You're not so much changing society as dismantling one very specific conspiracy. Oh yea if I had just played vanilla P5 I would have felt...underwhelmed by the ending. As it stands, the Kasumi/Sumire and Maruki arcs were so goddamn good, and it felt like the ending that Atlus really wanted from the start. Just nicely ties up every thread for every character, the metaverse at large, ect. That said, I heard that Striker's doesn't treat the events of Royal as canon. Which is more than a little disappointing.
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Mar 10, 2021 16:16
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Harrow posted:As much as I criticize it, Persona 5 (especially Royal) is still my favorite Persona game. My favorite games aren't my favorites because of any objective measure. For example, I think Persona 5's plot has a lot of flaws that Persona 3 and 4's plots don't, if I'm looking at it as objectively as I can. But the overall experience of playing P5R--the characters, the gameplay, the plot elements that do work, the overall vibe of the game--is just one of my favorite gaming experiences I've ever had, even the second time through. It's a game that's really close to my heart. I was going to wait until I actually beat Shadow Yukiko before bringing this up, but heck this is a good time. So far I am really enjoying Persona 4G, but already it's painfully obvious to me that everything else is just done to perfection in 5. Like Atlus took everything they had learned from the previous games, and created the smoothest, most polished, stylish, and one of the most engrossing gaming experiences I have ever had the pleasure of playing. One big standout is the design of the palaces. I can compare and contrast two right now Yukiko's castle and Kamoshida's castle. Yukiko's castle is basically mementos. It's a long corridor that is randomly generated. There are a few side rooms with treasure chests. And a handful of shadows on each floor that you basically have to fight. Exploring it is not particularly interesting, but it also isn't very long so that works in it's favor. Kamoshida's castle, meanwhile, is absolutely beautifully crafted and was what told me I was in for a treat. It is also shockingly deep, it took me two solid nights of play-time to beat it. But everything from the look of the different floors, the puzzles, , the atmosphere, and the sheer scale of the place is masterfully done. I also love the bare-bone stealth system, because it meant I didn't have to fight that OP shadow lurking about just to get back to a safe room, which is a massive QoL improvement. I'm really glad Atlus decided to leave the randomly generated dungeon for mementos and have each individual Palace hand-created in P5. Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Mar 10, 2021 16:45
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Badger of Basra posted:This is more of a cultural question but can anyone explain why some confidants are referred to on the map by their last names, while others are by their first names? I am curious about this too. I had thought in Japanese culture when talking to someone you use lastname+honorific unless they were really close to you. This is especially important if someone is higher "rank" socially. However in the game the characters will also call themselves by firstname + honorific. There is a whole conversation when Makoto joins about whether they should keep referring to her as "Makoto-Senpai" until she urges them to drop the honorifics. This isn't a translation issue either as I was playing with Japanese VA and I noticed too a lot of times the Japanese VA saying a character's last name, but in the English subtitles it would use the first name.
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Mar 11, 2021 20:09
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I'm about 12 hours into P4G and about to start the Kanji rescue. 1) Kanji is...well I hope the writing improves on this character. He has a lot of potential, but oh man is that midnight channel bathhouse scene cringy 2) Chie vs Yukiko ok so far I am on team Chie. She likes steak and kung-fu movies, and literally kicks rear end. But it's still early game so we will see. Marie is an interesting character as well, but not sure if Yu can romance her? 3) I had thought I could re-visit Yukiko's castle to get bonus equipment, but I forgot to visit the TV world in between starting the Kanji plot. Did I miss my chance?
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Mar 12, 2021 18:07
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The high school social aspect is nice because there is a "with your current maturity level what would you have done different" aspect to it. The characters in the games also seem far more mature than most normal high-schoolers so that helps. Or at least, far more mature than I and my friends were...
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Mar 12, 2021 19:16
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Ok here is a take. Persona 5/R Palace and battle music is loving incredible and I love it. But I think I enjoy the “daytime” JPOP music in Persona 4 more than Persona 5’s “tokyo daylight” https://youtu.be/Y9CDfMhq6dM To my wife’s annoyance, she has more than once caught me humming along your affection, your affection, your affeeeeccctttiiioooonnnn
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Mar 13, 2021 23:23
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Altus seems really good at writing gay characters that they then insist are not actually gay. 
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Mar 14, 2021 15:13
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Gaius Marius posted:People make so much of that scene and I don't get why, they're relived he survived and are acting out Yea it’s more of “you rear end in a top hat we thought you were dead!” Emotional outburst because he was acting so casual about it. But yea Ryuji is the best bro. I regret not spending time with him in Hawaii.
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