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[inevitable “Why is the first Persona game titled 3?” joke]
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ROFL Octopus posted:Which is superior: Mass Destruction or Wiping All Out?
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Feb 21, 2021 02:49
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anakha posted:This started playing in my head as soon as i opened this thread.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:24
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I have no strong feelings about Marie one way or the other, but I respect people who do.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:51
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I dated Chie my first time, told myself I’d date someone else my second time, then dated Chie again anyways. Years later, my first time on Golden PC, I dated Rise. She’s much less grating when she’s not flirting with someone who’s already in a relationship.
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Feb 21, 2021 04:18
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Maybe some day we’ll get Persona: Phantom Blood.  Edit: The Nanjo Group and the Speedwagon Foundation are remarkably similar, aren’t they?
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Feb 22, 2021 19:38
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Japanese Morgana > English Morgana > English Teddie > Japanese Teddie. That's my hot take. Edit: We will never again have an animal party member as pure and wonderful as Koromaru.
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Feb 23, 2021 11:45
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Commander Keene posted:Hot take: Koromaru was just boring in P3. Like aside from his introduction I don't remember a single interaction with him. 
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Feb 23, 2021 11:51
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babypolis posted:Yukikos I didnt mind because she clearly loves the loving place and being the manager makes perfect sense for her babypolis posted:I dunno Yukiko just never shuts up about the place, she clearly loves the inn and everyone who works there dearly. And she never expresses any strong desire for anything different. It's not like her character has any lofty goals or ambitions that shes leaving behind to run the inn. It seems to me that she only wanted to feel like it was her choice, and not something imposed upon her anakha posted:Yukiko realizing how much she loves the inn and the people in it after being hassled by the tabloid reporter Thanks, y'all. I feel like I understand her character a bit better now.
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Feb 23, 2021 18:20
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I never found vanilla P4 hard enough to punish me for using a suboptimal party, even on hard. Naoto felt like she struggled to keep up, true, but if you really love her, having someone on designated item duty already happens in like half the boss fights anyways. Really, much more often I felt like if I was getting my rear end kicked, it was because of my Personas, not my party's. Edit: And it's really hard to complain about someone who rocks Mind Charge + Megidola(on). She's gonna burn through SP quick (75 SP every two turns is not cheap), but hot drat is she gonna leave a dent in the mean time. And Soul Food/Soma exists for a reason. Edit 2: Doesn't she actually lose access to Mind Charge in Golden? I'd argue that's actually a pretty huge nerf. Ooh, boy, Makarakarn, that absolutely makes up for her new awkward and unfocused skill list that requires bike dates to even do what it's supposed to do. Give me back Mind Charge/Megidola/Megidolaon/Vorpal Blade/Mahamaon/Mamudoon/Hama Boost/Mudo Boost. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Feb 25, 2021 07:07
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Commander Keene posted:Naoto gets Mind Charge from her Social Link in Golden, not natively from leveling. She can also get all 3 levels of Invigorate from it, which is great for SP management. TheFlyingLlama posted:iirc it goes from being something she gets via level up to something she gets at SL...4 I think.
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Feb 25, 2021 08:21
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Funky Valentine posted:Na-ha, I face out
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Feb 27, 2021 22:33
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Adrianics posted:I am so happy for this thread. I discovered Persona via Super Smash Bros and bought Persona 5 Royal on a whim based on reviews and being unemployed during lockdown, let's just say that 10 months later I've also played P4G and P3FES, the combined soundtracks of all three have become a beloved in-joke between my wife and me and I've been desperately playing JRPGs to try and recreate the feeling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgfWEjpEhsU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64WZitWZ6o0
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Feb 28, 2021 00:19
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True story, a while back, I was just going through youtube recommendations for music. It had been a few years since I last played Persona 4, I'd spent more time with 3 and other games, and then Your Affection came up, and the nostalgia hit me like a loving train. I'd completely forgotten how much that game meant to me in high school, how it came into my life when I needed it most. I got reminded of it all at once, the sanctuary I had in the absolute shittiest part of my life. First and only time a Persona song not named 'Memories of You' made me cry.
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Feb 28, 2021 00:48
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Ostentatious posted:I always wonder what the persona gang is up to now that they are anime old for instance I believe that rascal akihiko currently suffers from CTE onset by being punched in the head too much
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Feb 28, 2021 01:10
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Alacron posted:Didn't Rise have posters everywhere in P5? I guess she's still a singer.
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Feb 28, 2021 02:46
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Unlucky7 posted:I did not look at your spoiler, but if it is that I am just being a bit premature about the assessment then I am fine with that. It just felt weird to me, is all.
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Mar 15, 2021 07:28
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ApplesandOranges posted:The Music club is the alternative to the drama club. It's.... better? I guess? Well relative to Yumi I feel like most links are better. Drama vs Music is which of two really awkward links you want to power through. Bonus points to Drama for also having the most brutal possible way and time to choose romantic or platonic! Turning down Yukiko is hard, but you still have plenty of time with her to be friends. With Yumi, you walk out of the room and leave her alone and never come back because you just maxed the link. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Mar 17, 2021 14:05
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IIRC, even if you do try to go back to Drama Club later, you actually can't. (That, or she just isn't there.)
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Mar 17, 2021 14:12
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"Kanji is bisexual and doesn't know that's even a thing that exists" solves so many problems with the debates about his sexuality, especially RE: Naoto's gender.
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Mar 17, 2021 15:06
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Kanji's sexuality is irrelevant to his arc, and explicitly spelling out his sexuality would ruin the message of his arc. The entire point of his arc is that he can be into "girly" things without that defining his entire identity. 
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Mar 17, 2021 16:06
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Persona 2 already let you have a gay romance so I don't think that they walked anything back tbh.
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Mar 17, 2021 17:32
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Acerbatus posted:If Persona 3 taught me anything it's that hugs are dangerous.  I hate that moment in no small part because I strongly suspect it's the reason so many people hate an extremely human and relatable character. The reason it kicks her into reverse just doesn't culturally translate at all. (TL;DR: She takes it as an attempt to make a move on her romantically, because of Katsura Hashino being Katsura Hashino, his weird belief that men and women can't be platonic friends, and a greater emphasis on the importance of respecting personal space in Japan compared to most of the west.) That, and Michelle Ruff takes a while to find her feet. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Mar 18, 2021 06:33
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The best version/variant of Aria of the Soul / Battle for Everyone's Souls is an obvious choice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1iN41edczc
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Mar 19, 2021 10:59
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I have a take
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Mar 20, 2021 22:33
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Acerbatus posted:I really wish Ohya could do rumors to change Mementos like P2 or something.  gently caress, that's amazing. Someone please figure out a way to mod P5 and make this change.
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Mar 20, 2021 23:54
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Gaius Marius posted:You get one of the funniest scenes in the game if you do
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Mar 22, 2021 22:22
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lunar detritus posted:yeah, seriously, P5's bad valentine is nothing compared to P4's. 
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Mar 22, 2021 23:39
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That is my new favorite interpretation of P3MC.
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Mar 22, 2021 23:51
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DC Murderverse posted:The only one that I found truly heartbreaking so far is Haru (although inevitably having to let Kasumi down easy is probably gonna be hard as well)
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Mar 23, 2021 16:01
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I saw a few posts that said you can date Marie and another girl and that doesn't count as cheating? Or is that wrong?
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Mar 23, 2021 16:52
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anakha posted:Kinda creepy when you think about it.
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Mar 24, 2021 08:54
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RillAkBea posted:You have to get the exact right answers though in the 9th confidant event or she'll reject you.
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Mar 24, 2021 10:53
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Well, Loki is kind of like an ogre...
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Mar 25, 2021 01:42
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Internet’s gonna internet. To dig up the bar that’s so low that it’s underground, I still prefer that ship over all the shipping that happened with (Persona 4 spoilers) Adachi. At least Akechi’s the same age as the protagonist.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:00
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Yea that figurine is a bit much given that Makoto's character wasn't very comfortable with her biker costume as it was. It’s the same kind of problem as why the nude modeling thing sucks so much.
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Mar 27, 2021 23:08
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Alacron posted:I feel like there's a monkey's paw aspect to this whole "Shiho as an SLink" discussion because there's no way they'd do it and not have her be romanceable.
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Mar 29, 2021 02:45
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I think the most interesting thing about Maruki's plan is how much better it parallels and follows the tones and themes of P3 and P4. Nyx wanted to give people oblivion so they wouldn't suffer. Ameno-sagiri/Izanami wanted to give people ignorance and complacency so they wouldn't suffer. Yaldabaoth wanted to control everyone, but he did it for his own selfish reasons, not because he believed it was what humanity wanted/needed. But Maruki did. He follows the theme of P3 and P4, tries to give humanity what he thinks it really wants and needs. In return, the party and the game rebutts that struggles and trials are what make life what it is, and that the real work, with all of its highs and lows, will always be better than taking that away for a monotone contentment. Whether or not you agree with that is your own choice, but for all of Persona's trouble with consistent tone and theming, that's one thing that's held true.
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Mar 29, 2021 06:09
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I kind of skimmed through the last few pages, but I'm genuinely considering going through the arcana in the P3P female route and giving my opinions on how the links fit into it, how well they match, etc. Would anyone be interested?
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Mar 29, 2021 22:26
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Harrow posted:I definitely would be, yeah. DC Murderverse posted:I’ve had nothing to say about tarot chat but it’s really interesting and this would be cool, more effort posts please! Huge blanket spoiler warning for Persona 3, obviously. 0 - The Fool It's no accident that the primary campaign of Persona 3 FES is referred to as The Journey. "The Hero With A Thousand Faces" is a more literal description of Minato / Minako than it usually is, but it still primarily refers to the Fool's Journey. In this way, the Fool representing SEES, and their progress towards achieving the goal they set out for, fits well. Arguably, it's even a better fit for SEES as a whole than it would be for just Minako herself. And having the link max on December 31st, when you decide to spare Ryoji, recontextualizes the whole game. It implies, very strongly, that what the protagonist set out for when she began the journey, what she has now that she's completed it, is the will to live. One of the primary themes of Persona 3 is memento mori, 'remember death' or, more poetically, 'remember that you will die.' It's the weight that hangs over everyone's head throughout the whole game. And while The Answer makes it more explicit, I'd say the message is made right here. Memento mori isn't just the Journey, it's the Question. And by having that Journey be completed when you spare Ryoji, when you choose to fight despite the inevitability of death, answers that question. It's the other half of the phrase: Memento vivere. 'Remember life.' December 31st changes the Fool Social Link from being just a dry, literal interpretation of the Journey into something more: Memento mori, memento vivere. 'Remember that you will die, but do not forget to live.' Even if the game isn't complete yet, even if your journey as a player isn't finished, the protagonist has completed hers. Arcana Fit: 5/5, easily. I - The Magician So, let's go straight from gushing about high concepts and thematic resonance into something much more simple and literal: Junpei. More than any other card, with the possible exception of the King of Wands, the Magician most represents passion, potential, and inspiration. However, inverted, it also represents wasted potential, or unfocused energy, attention wasted by being used in no particular way. This is, as a whole, an exceptional fit for Junpei. As a character and in a vacuum, it's a perfect fit, and one that catalyzes into Trimegistus as he finally finds focus, real inspiration, and the resolve to not waste his energy on pointless things (like his clumsy and half-hearted skirt-chasing) any more.. However, as we look more at what he represents in the protagonist's journey, things get a little messier. In the Fool's Journey, the Magician represents the material half of the call to adventure, the conscious, and the active realization of power. Junpei... doesn't really do that. In the greater frame of the story, he isn't even the first character the protagonist meets, and he has no part in the initial call to adventure. (That, in fact, comes from the Magician Shadow, which is interesting and I have no idea if it was intentional or not.) Nor does it really fit with his Social Link. It's kind of a half-hearted link that mostly exists as a background for the protagonist to have deep talks with Junpei as a character. What actually instigates the link, the mystery of the pervert taking pictures, isn't even resolved in any kind of satisfying way. The closest thing there is to a resolution is Junpei realizing he's formed a friendship with a woman as a person, rather than just a sex object, but even that's already covered by his relationship with Chidori. It's thematically unfocused, with nothing to say and no real progress made for either character. Arcana Fit: 3/5. As a character, Junpei is absolutely the Magician, that's perfect. However, in the context of the protagonist's journey, and his Social Link, there's almost a complete disconnect. I think that averages out to a 3/5. II - The High Priestess Ahhh, Fuuka. Just like Junpei, she completely misses the boat on existing in the proper position in the Fool's Journey, but even moreso. By the time she joins, the adventure is already well underway, and the Empress has fulfilled her part in the story much better. And unlike Junpei, she doesn't really fit the arcana as a character, either. She's a source of information, but it's neither spiritual, nor subconscious, it's real and material, both in the game's mechanics (as a navigator) and in her own life (loving computers and technology.) Yes, she's feminine, but that could be said of almost any of the female characters, party member or otherwise (thanks, Katsura Hashino). The worst part is how much of a near miss it is. If the solution to Fuuka's cooking problem had come from her realizing she's overthinking things, getting caught up too much in what she's Supposed To Do, instead of what feels right, not only it would also provide an excellent parallel for her relationship with her parents' expectations. As is, she'd be a much better fit for the Hermit, rather than the High Priestess. Arcana Fit: 1/5. The only way she fits the Arcana is that she's a girl who becomes a little more feminine over the course of the Link. III - The Empress And from a girl who doesn't fit the definition at all, we go straight into one who fits on every level. The Empress represents the spiritual and subconscious authority, as well as a more literal maternal figure. Mitsuru is the previous leader of SEES, and you could argue that she still is even after the protagonist joins and takes over the practical duties of leadership. The group sees her as an authority and, when she talks, everyone listens (even if Yukari resents her for putting herself in that position). It's not a conscious decision anyone makes, it's just how things are. She is the subconscious leader. This is only reinforced even more by her move away from navigator, a source of material and conscious knowledge, where she was functional but unspectacular. She is much more comfortable, and the party is much more effective, once she stops forcing herself into a role simply because it's what's needed. And in her Link, she's an equally good fit. Mitsuru, under the weight of her expectations, has completely suppressed her subconscious desires and her creativity. She is what she needs to be, and what people expect her to be. Breaking off her arranged marriage but keeping her position serves as an excellent metaphor for the Empress turning from inverted to upright. She is the one in control of herself and her femininity now. Her not being able to absolutely slam dunk her independence by potentially entering a relationship of her own by choice is something that only happens with the female protagonist, which is a drat shame, but it's not enough to knock any points off (especially since the Link that we get instead ends up having some extremely powerful "just gals being pals" energy.) Arcana Fit: 5/5. And that is already well over 1000 words about just the game's themes and three of the characters, so I'm going to stop here for now in the name of breaking it up and not slamming the thread with a single ginormous wall of text. (Especially because I have a lot to say about Hidetoshi, as he is in my opinion the most underrated character not just in Persona 3 but in all of 3 through 5.) girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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