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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


I love Award Season. I think the Oscars are some corny poo poo that lasts too long. Hate the Golden Globes. I find the Independent Spirit Awards charming, I suppose... but I loving love the season itself.

The Academy Award Nominees in particular provide a quick list for a bunch of movies to get caught up on even if it's always incomplete. For the last five years or so, a friend of mine and I compare notes as we try to watch as many of the nominees as possible. I usually get a head start on it in November, casting a wide net of what could be nominated. Often I end up watching some gems that never quite make it.

Hell, my two favorite movies this year have no chance. (Portrait of a Lady on Fire is technically 2019 and there's little love for I'm Thinking of Ending Things).

I love going with my wife to the IFC Center or BAM to see their twee little introductions. I adore watching the Shorts Collections. I live for this poo poo. I absolutely miss MoviePass and going to the movies every single day, trying to see all the International nominees.

I think it's also an interesting experience. At the end of every year, you start seeing the lists of the year's best films come out, but it's often a bit of an odd experience because you can't actually see many of those movies. Many Award Season films end up with limited releases that even coastal elites like myself can't end up seeing them. This ends up especially true for International and Documentary. I can never really have a true personal best of life until February when I've actually seen all of the poo poo.

This year has definitely been a strange year as Covid-19 has meant less movie going experiences. I watched the little IFC Center opening the other day out of pure emptiness of going to a theater.

What is this thread for?

This thread is a sort of catchall for not just talking about the awards for 2020 films, but more broadly talking about some of the greatest films of 2020. Award Shows are a bit of a tricky thing. The Oscars are incredibly problematic as we'll explore in a bit, and the Globes border on being a straight up joke. Still, sometimes a movie like Parasite that people in the Horror thread were literally begging people to see for a wider release catches fire. And even outside the stuff that gets nominated, it can be fun to discuss the gems that got lost in the shuffle.

In short, award shows are really more of a platform to discuss some of the best movies of the previous year. Especially when it comes to shorts, International films, and documentaries it can also mean exploring movies people wouldn't otherwise see.

I'd say this thread in general should be:

-- Inside baseball predictions of what is going to get nominated/win

-- Inside baseball predictions of who is going to be left out of the in memoriams

-- Just a place to discuss some of the best movies from 2020

-- Discussing what you want to win or be nominated

-- Critiques of the awards and organizations themselves

-- TVIV style posting during the actual awards.

What is this thread not for?

I'd like to ask the following stuff to be avoided:

Shallow Critiques of the Awards-- There is a ton of poo poo to critique, but please be specific and meaningful. We all know that the show is a Hollywood fellating itself. Unless you want to take aim at a specific element of course go ahead. I just feel like too much "The Oscars are poo poo" can bog things down

Smugly denouncing the possibility of something winning-- Everybody knows that there is nothing that makes Nomadland scientifically better or worse than Judas and the Black Messiah. Getting in a hissy fit because First Cow doesn't get nominated or ranting because Tom Hanks beats Riz Ahmed is the right of all film nerds. It's all fruitless and silly, And this is a safe space for all that poo poo. But smugly going, "It's not like THAT was ever going to win" is silly when Parasite exists my dude. Just let people nerd out.

Also, just let stuff shine here that doesn't get a place to shine elsewhere. I think there are legit arguments for Birds of Prey and Possessor to be part of discussion when we talk about best pictures from last year, but those films have homes to shine. Often the sort of cinema we'll be discussing isn't really able to sustain a thread of its own. So, a half page derail about Driveways would be nice to let happen.

I'm obviously not a mod though so these are just kind suggestions...

So, let’s talk about some of the awards we have coming up…

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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


The 78th Golden Globes aka You Got Your Emmys in my Academy Awards

When: February 28th 8 PM/ET

What channel? NBC

Who’s hosting? Tina Fey and Amy Pohler

And the nominees are…

Best Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy
"Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
"Hamilton"
"Music"
"Palm Springs"
"The Prom"

Best Motion Picture -- Drama
"The Father"
"Mank"
"Nomadland"
"Promising Young Woman"
"The Trial of the Chicago 7"

Best Motion Picture -- Foreign Language
"Another Round," Denmark
"La Llorona," Guatamala/France
"The Life Ahead," Italy
"Minari," USA
"Two of Us," France/USA

Best Screenplay -- Motion Picture
Emerald Fennell - "Promising Young Woman"
Jack Fincher - "Mank"
Aaron Sorkin - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
Florian Zeller, Christopher Hampton - "The Father"
Chloe Zhao - "Nomadland"

Best Original Song -- Motion Picture
"Fight for You" - "Judas and the Black Messiah"
"Hear My Voice" - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
"IO SI (Seen)" - "The Life Ahead"
"Speak Now" - "One Night in Miami"
"Tigers & Tweed" - "The United States vs. Billie Holiday"

Best Actor in a Supporting Role in Any Motion Picture
Sacha Baron Cohen - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
Daniel Kaluuya - "Judas and the Black Messiah"
Jared Leto - "The Little Things"
Bill Murray - "On the Rocks"
Leslie Odom, Jr. - "One Night in Miami"

Best Actress in a Supporting Role in Any Motion Picture
Glenn Close - "Hillbilly Elegy"
Olivia Colman - "The Father"
Jodie Foster - "The Mauritanian"
Amanda Seyfried - "Mank"
Helena Zengel - "News of the World"

Best Actor in a Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy
Sacha Baron Cohen - "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
James Corden - "The Prom"
Lin-Manuel Miranda - "Hamilton"
Dev Patel - "The Personal History of David Copperfield"
Andy Samberg - "Palm Springs"

Best Motion Picture -- Animated
"The Croods: A New Age"
"Onward"
"Over the Moon"
"Soul"
"Wolfwalkers"

Best Actor in a Motion Picture -- Drama
Chadwick Boseman, - "Ma Rainey's Black Bottom"
Riz Ahmed - "The Sound of Metal"
Anthony Hopkins - "The Father"
Gary Oldman - "Mank"
Tahar Rahim - "The Mauritanian"

Best Actress in a Motion Picture -- Drama
Viola Davis - "Ma Rainey's Black Bottom"
Andra Day - "The United States vs. Billie Holiday"
Vanessa Kirby - "Pieces of a Woman"
Frances McDormand - "Nomadland"
Carey Mulligan - "Promising Young Woman

[/b]Best Actress in a Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy[/b]
Maria Bakalova - "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
Kate Hudson - "Music"
Michelle Pfeiffer - "French Exit"
Rosamund Pike - "I Care A Lot"
Anya Taylor-Joy - "Emma"

Best Actor in a Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy
Sacha Baron Cohen - "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
James Corden - "The Prom"
Lin-Manuel Miranda - "Hamilton"
Dev Patel - "The Personal History of David Copperfield"
Andy Samberg - "Palm Springs"
Best Director -- Motion Picture
David Fincher - "Mank"
Regina King - "One Night in Miami"
Aaron Sorkin - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
Chloe Zhao - "Nomadland"
Emerald Fennell - "Promising Young Woman"

Best Original Score
"The Midnight Sky"
"Tenet"
"News of the World"
"Mank"

What should I be mad about?

-- Minari might end up being a lock for Best Picture at the Oscars, but a story that takes place in the United States that is about very American things is a Foreign Language film because it well, features a language other than English prominently. Honestly, there is room to debate if we should still have International/Foreign entries and how they should be treated. This is a clear example of the letter of the law not matching the spirit.

-- Music sort of highlights the broader issue of segregating Comedies and Musicals into their weird ghetto. It’s often led to issues in which movies that are dramas slide in there to scrape up an easy award, and often the pickings of truly great movies are slim. This year ended up with two recorded versions of live stage performances. On top of just not being all that great Music has a lot of controversy around Sia not casting a neurologically atypical person.

Honestly, it’s a criticism that was a bit of a softball to acknowledge and move on, but that’s ugh… not what happened with Sia.

-- Speaking of scraping the bottom of the barrel for the nonsensical Comedy/Musical Category, The Prom got middling reviews at best with James Corden picking up a nomination while some other queer performances were ignored. Corden is also a corny rear end straight dude and is being extra critiqued for his role perpetuating stereotypes.

But also along with Music, American Utopia, and Hamilton, you don’t need to prove that it’s not stupid to have a Musical Category, Golden Globes. There were other funny movies to nominate. You didn’t need to nominate loving The Prom.

-- Tina Fey had a bit of a low-grade reckoning as a lot of her past work was re-evaluated as being racist and then she was literally in a movie where she voiced a Black character. Like I enjoyed Soul, but the idea of a white person embodying a Black person’s body was literally the metaphor Get Out used for racism itself.

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Feb 27, 2021

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


The 36th Annual Independent Spirit Awards aka The Aubrey Plaza Memorial Ceremony

When: April 22nd, 8 PM/ET

What channel? IFC

Who’s hosting? Melissa Villaseñor

And the nominees are…

BEST FEATURE…
(Award given to the producer)
FIRST COW
Producers: Neil Kopp, Vincent Savino, Anish Savjani
MA RAINEY’S BLACK BOTTOM
Producers: Todd Black, Denzel Washington, Dany Wolf
MINARI
Producers: Dede Gardner, Jeremy Kleiner, Christina Oh
NEVER RARELY SOMETIMES ALWAYS
Producers: Sara Murphy, Adele Romanski
NOMADLAND
Producers: Mollye Asher, Dan Janvey, Frances McDormand, Peter Spears, Chloé Zhao

BEST FIRST FEATURE
(Award given to director and producer)
I CARRY YOU WITH ME
Director/Producer: Heidi Ewing
Producers: Edher Campos, Mynette Louie, Gabriela Maire
THE FORTY-YEAR-OLD VERSION
Director/Producer: Radha Blank
Producers: Inuka Bacote-Capiga, Jordan Fudge, Rishi Rajani, Jennifer Semler, Lena Waithe
MISS JUNETEENTH
Director: Channing Godfrey Peoples
Producers: Toby Halbrooks, Tim Headington, Jeanie Igoe, James M. Johnston, Theresa Steele Page, Neil Creque Williams
NINE DAYS
Director: Edson Oda
Producers: Jason Michael Berman, Mette-Marie Kongsved, Matthew Lindner, Laura Tunstall, Datari Turner
SOUND OF METAL
Director: Darius Marder
Producers: Bill Benz, Kathy Benz, Bert Hamelinck, Sacha Ben Harroche

BEST DIRECTOR
Lee Isaac Chung, Minari
Emerald Fennell, Promising Young Woman
Eliza Hittman, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Kelly Reichardt, First Cow
Chloé Zhao, Nomadland

BEST SCREENPLAY
Lee Isaac Chung, Minari
Emerald Fennell, Promising Young Woman
Eliza Hittman, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Mike Makowsky, Bad Education
Alice Wu, The Half of It

BEST FIRST SCREENPLAY
Kitty Green, The Assistant
Noah Hutton, Lapsis
Channing Godfrey Peoples, Miss Juneteenth
Andy Siara, Palm Springs
James Sweeney, Straight Up

JOHN CASSAVETES AWARD
(Given to the best feature made for under $500,000; Award given to the writer, director and producer)
THE KILLING OF TWO LOVERS
Writer/Director/Producer: Robert Machoian
Producers: Scott Christopherson, Clayne Crawford
LA LEYENDA NEGRA
Writer/Director: Patricia Vidal Delgado
Producers: Alicia Herder, Marcel Perez
LINGUA FRANCA
Writer/Director/Producer: Isabel Sandoval
Producers: Darlene Catly Malimas, Jhett Tolentino, Carlo Velayo
RESIDUE
Writer/Director: Merawi Gerima
SAINT FRANCES
Director/Producer: Alex Thompson
Writer: Kelly O’Sullivan
Producers: James Choi, Pierce Cravens, Ian Keiser, Eddie Linker, Raphael Nash, Roger Welp

BEST MALE LEAD
Riz Ahmed, Sound of Metal
Chadwick Boseman, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Adarsh Gourav, The White Tiger
Rob Morgan, Bull
Steven Yeun, Minari

BEST FEMALE LEAD
Nicole Beharie, Miss Juneteenth
Viola Davis, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Sidney Flanigan, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Julia Garner, The Assistant
Frances McDormand, Nomadland
Carey Mulligan, Promising Young Woman

BEST SUPPORTING MALE
Colman Domingo, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Orion Lee, First Cow
Paul Raci, Sound of Metal
Glynn Turman, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Benedict Wong, Nine Days

BEST SUPPORTING FEMALE
Alexis Chikaeze, Miss Juneteenth
Yeri Han, Minari
Valerie Mahaffey, French Exit
Talia Ryder, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Yuh-jung Youn, Minari

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
Jay Keitel, She Dies Tomorrow
Shabier Kirchner, Bull
Michael Latham, The Assistant
Hélène Louvart, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Joshua James Richards, Nomadland

BEST EDITING
Andy Canny, The Invisible Man
Scott Cummings, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Merawi Gerima, Residue
Enat Sidi, I Carry You With Me
Chloé Zhao, Nomadland

BEST INTERNATIONAL FILM
(Award given to the director)
BACURAU (Brazil)
Director: Juliano Dornelles, Kleber Mendonça Filho
THE DISCIPLE (India)
Director: Chaitanya Tamahane
NIGHT OF THE KINGS (Ivory Coast)
Director: Philippe Lacôte
PREPARATIONS TO BE TOGETHER FOR AN UNKNOWN PERIOD OF TIME (Hungary)
Director: Lili Horvát
QUO VADIS, AIDA? (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
Director: Jasmila Žbanić

BEST DOCUMENTARY
(Award given to the director and producer)
COLLECTIVE
Director/Producer: Alexander Nanau
Producers: Hanka Kastelicová, Bernard Michaux, Bianca Oana
CRIP CAMP
Directors/Producers: Jim LeBrecht, Nicole Newnham
Producer: Sara Bolder
DICK JOHNSON IS DEAD
Director/Producer: Kirsten Johnson
Producers: Katy Chevigny, Marilyn Ness
THE MOLE AGENT
Director: Maite Alberdi
Producer: Marcela Santibáñez
TIME
Director/Producer: Garrett Bradley
Producers: Lauren Domino, Kellen Quinn

ROBERT ALTMAN AWARD
(Given to one film’s director, casting director and ensemble cast)
ONE NIGHT IN MIAMI
Director: Regina King
Casting Directors: Kimberly R. Hardin
Ensemble Cast: Kingsley Ben-Adir, Eli Goree, Aldis Hodge, Leslie Odom Jr.

PRODUCERS AWARD
(The Producers Award honors emerging producers who, despite highly limited resources, demonstrate the creativity, tenacity and vision required to produce quality independent films)
Lucas Joaquin
Gerry Kim
Kara Durrett

SOMEONE TO WATCH AWARD
(The Someone to Watch Award recognizes a talented filmmaker of singular vision who has not yet received appropriate recognition)
DAVID MIDELL
Director of The Killing of Kenneth Chamberlain
EKWA MSANGI
Director of Farewell Amor
ANNIE SILVERSTEIN
Director of Bull

TRUER THAN FICTION AWARD
(The 26th Truer Than Fiction Award is presented to an emerging director of non-fiction features who has not yet received significant recognition)
CECILIA ALDARONDO
Director of Landfall
ELEGANCE BRATTON
Director of Pier Kids
ELIZABETH LO
Director of Stray

What should I be mad about?

--Aubrey Plaza isn’t hosting anymore? Honestly, the Spirit Awards are fantastic and have great categories. There are still blindspots like speaking of Plaza, how come no love to Black Bear? The Oscars is like Monopoly and the Spirit Awards are like a cool modern board game that actually cares about balance.

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 27, 2021

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


The 93rd Academy Awards aka An Irrelevant Pageant But Also The One That Matters The Most

When: April 25th, 8 PM/ET

What channel? ABC

Who’s hosting? The Combined Inflated Sense of Self Worth of Hollywood itself or I dunno, maybe Colin Jost or somebody. Who the gently caress knows. Been no host for a bit.

And the nominees are…

Best Picture
“The Father” (David Parfitt, Jean-Louis Livi and Philippe Carcassonne, producers)
“Judas and the Black Messiah” (Shaka King, Charles D. King and Ryan Coogler, producers)
“Mank” (Ceán Chaffin, Eric Roth and Douglas Urbanski, producers)
“Minari” (Christina Oh, producer)
“Nomadland” (Frances McDormand, Peter Spears, Mollye Asher, Dan Janvey and Chloé Zhao, producers)
“Promising Young Woman” (Ben Browning, Ashley Fox, Emerald Fennell and Josey McNamara, producers)
“Sound of Metal” (Bert Hamelinck and Sacha Ben Harroche, producers)
“The Trial of the Chicago 7” (Marc Platt and Stuart Besser, producers)

Best Director
Thomas Vinterberg (“Another Round”)
David Fincher (“Mank”)
Lee Isaac Chung (“Minari”)
Chloé Zhao (“Nomadland”)
Emerald Fennell (“Promising Young Woman”)

Best Actor in a Leading Role
Riz Ahmed (“Sound of Metal”)
Chadwick Boseman (“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom”)
Anthony Hopkins (“The Father”)
Gary Oldman (“Mank”)
Steven Yeun (“Minari”)

Best Actress in a Leading Role
Viola Davis (“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom”)
Andra Day (“The United States v. Billie Holiday”)
Vanessa Kirby (“Pieces of a Woman”)
Frances McDormand (“Nomadland”)
Carey Mulligan (“Promising Young Woman”)

Best Actor in a Supporting Role
Sacha Baron Cohen (“The Trial of the Chicago 7”)
Daniel Kaluuya (“Judas and the Black Messiah”)
Leslie Odom Jr. (“One Night in Miami”)
Paul Raci (“Sound of Metal”)
Lakeith Stanfield (“Judas and the Black Messiah”)

Best Actress in a Supporting Role
Maria Bakalova (‘Borat Subsequent Moviefilm”)
Glenn Close (“Hillbilly Elegy”)
Olivia Colman (“The Father”)
Amanda Seyfried (“Mank”)
Yuh-jung Youn (“Minari”)

Best Animated Feature Film
“Onward” (Pixar)
“Over the Moon” (Netflix)
“A Shaun the Sheep Movie: Farmageddon” (Netflix)
“Soul” (Pixar)
“Wolfwalkers” (Apple TV Plus/GKIDS)

Best Adapted Screenplay
“Borat Subsequent Moviefilm.” Screenplay by Sacha Baron Cohen, Anthony Hines, Dan Swimer, Peter Baynham, Erica Rivinoja, Dan Mazer, Jena Friedman, Lee Kern; Story by Sacha Baron Cohen, Anthony Hines, Dan Swimer, Nina Pedrad
“The Father,” Christopher Hampton and Florian Zeller
“Nomadland,” Chloé Zhao
“One Night in Miami,” Kemp Powers
“The White Tiger,” Ramin Bahrani

Best Original Screenplay
“Judas and the Black Messiah.” Screenplay by Will Berson, Shaka King; Story by Will Berson, Shaka King, Kenny Lucas, Keith Lucas
“Minari,” Lee Isaac Chung
“Promising Young Woman,” Emerald Fennell
“Sound of Metal.” Screenplay by Darius Marder, Abraham Marder; Story by Darius Marder, Derek Cianfrance
“The Trial of the Chicago 7,” Aaron Sorkin

Best Original Song
“Fight for You,” (“Judas and the Black Messiah”). Music by H.E.R. and Dernst Emile II; Lyric by H.E.R. and Tiara Thomas
“Hear My Voice,” (“The Trial of the Chicago 7”). Music by Daniel Pemberton; Lyric by Daniel Pemberton and Celeste Waite
“Húsavík,” (“Eurovision Song Contest”). Music and Lyric by Savan Kotecha, Fat Max Gsus and Rickard Göransson
“Io Si (Seen),” (“The Life Ahead”). Music by Diane Warren; Lyric by Diane Warren and Laura Pausini
“Speak Now,” (“One Night in Miami”). Music and Lyric by Leslie Odom, Jr. and Sam Ashworth

Best Original Score
“Da 5 Bloods,” Terence Blanchard
“Mank,” Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross
“Minari,” Emile Mosseri
“News of the World,” James Newton Howard
“Soul,” Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross, Jon Batiste

Best Sound
“Greyhound,” Warren Shaw, Michael Minkler, Beau Borders and David Wyman
“Mank,” Ren Klyce, Jeremy Molod, David Parker, Nathan Nance and Drew Kunin
“News of the World,” Oliver Tarney, Mike Prestwood Smith, William Miller and John Pritchett
“Soul,” Ren Klyce, Coya Elliott and David Parker
“Sound of Metal,” Nicolas Becker, Jaime Baksht, Michelle Couttolenc, Carlos Cortés and Phillip Bladh

Best Costume Design
“Emma,” Alexandra Byrne
“Mank,” Trish Summerville
“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom,” Ann Roth
“Mulan,” Bina Daigeler
“Pinocchio,” Massimo Cantini Parrini

Best Animated Short Film
“Burrow” (Disney Plus/Pixar)
“Genius Loci” (Kazak Productions)
“If Anything Happens I Love You” (Netflix)
“Opera” (Beasts and Natives Alike)
“Yes-People” (CAOZ hf. Hólamói)

Best Live-Action Short Film
“Feeling Through”
“The Letter Room”
“The Present”
“Two Distant Strangers”
“White Eye”

Best Cinematography
“Judas and the Black Messiah,” Sean Bobbitt
“Mank,” Erik Messerschmidt
“News of the World,” Dariusz Wolski
“Nomadland,” Joshua James Richards
“The Trial of the Chicago 7,” Phedon Papamichael

Best Documentary Feature
“Collective,” Alexander Nanau and Bianca Oana
“Crip Camp,” Nicole Newnham, Jim LeBrecht and Sara Bolder
“The Mole Agent,” Maite Alberdi and Marcela Santibáñez
“My Octopus Teacher,” Pippa Ehrlich, James Reed and Craig Foster
“Time,” Garrett Bradley, Lauren Domino and Kellen Quinn

Best Documentary Short Subject
“Colette,” Anthony Giacchino and Alice Doyard
“A Concerto Is a Conversation,” Ben Proudfoot and Kris Bowers
“Do Not Split,” Anders Hammer and Charlotte Cook
“Hunger Ward,” Skye Fitzgerald and Michael Scheuerman
“A Love Song for Latasha,” Sophia Nahli Allison and Janice Duncan

Best Film Editing
“The Father,” Yorgos Lamprinos
“Nomadland,” Chloé Zhao
“Promising Young Woman,” Frédéric Thoraval
“Sound of Metal,” Mikkel E.G. Nielsen
“The Trial of the Chicago 7,” Alan Baumgarten

Best International Feature Film
“Another Round” (Denmark)
“Better Days” (Hong Kong)
“Collective” (Romania)
“The Man Who Sold His Skin” (Tunisia)
“Quo Vadis, Aida?”(Bosnia and Herzegovina)

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
“Emma,” Marese Langan, Laura Allen, Claudia Stolze
“Hillbilly Elegy,” Eryn Krueger Mekash, Patricia Dehaney, Matthew Mungle
“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom,” Sergio Lopez-Rivera, Mia Neal, Jamika Wilson
“Mank,” Kimberley Spiteri, Gigi Williams, Colleen LaBaff
“Pinocchio,” Mark Coulier, Dalia Colli, Francesco Pegoretti

Best Production Design
“The Father.” Production Design: Peter Francis; Set Decoration: Cathy Featherstone
“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom.” Production Design: Mark Ricker; Set Decoration: Karen O’Hara and Diana Stoughton
“Mank.” Production Design: Donald Graham Burt; Set Decoration: Jan Pascale
“News of the World.” Production Design: David Crank; Set Decoration: Elizabeth Keenan
“Tenet.” Production Design: Nathan Crowley; Set Decoration: Kathy Lucas

Best Visual Effects
“Love and Monsters,” Matt Sloan, Genevieve Camilleri, Matt Everitt and Brian Cox
“The Midnight Sky,” Matthew Kasmir, Christopher Lawrence, Max Solomon and David Watkins
“Mulan,” Sean Faden, Anders Langlands, Seth Maury and Steve Ingram
“The One and Only Ivan,” Nick Davis, Greg Fisher, Ben Jones and Santiago Colomo Martinez
“Tenet,” Andrew Jackson, David Lee, Andrew Lockley and Scott Fisher


What should I be mad about?

-- The Oscars isn’t just the latest major ceremony, but it’s also nominating the latest as you can see. Because of COVID, they’ve expanded eligibility for films released between Jan. 1, 2020 and Feb. 28, 2021.

-- Sound Mixing and Editing are one category now

-- It is easier to be eligible despite never being in a theater. The general rule of thumb is if the film was intended to be shown in theaters. We’ll see where we are in a post-Covid rule, but we are getting into the murky “If it feels like a movie movie” waters for what actually counts.

-- All Academy members can now vote on Foriegn films

-- Best Music has a higher threshold for originality in the score

-- There is some debate over if Small Ax will be eligible, but it’s most likely going to go for Emmys.

-- You might be familiar with some of the changes the Academy is making to be not as so white. They have opened up their membership and voters in some good ways, more importantly they have new standards that encourage more diverse nominees which should hopefully have a feedback loop and mean more diverse films in general. Unfortunately those standards won’t go into effect for a few years.

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Mar 16, 2021

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
[Reserved if there any other awards people want to explore more deeply]

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Mank is undeniably well made and impressive in how well it actually looks like an old movie. But in a lot of ways, It's like a Fincher version of recent Oscar bait. A biopic that somewhat celebrates Hollywood, features modern political parallels, and has Gary Oldman disappear into a role. It's still a weird movie in that it creates a false narrative about the real Conservative Mank while somewhat throwing Wells under the bus despite the fact that he really was the driving creative force for the script and had better politics than real Mank.

Once again, it's a fine movie. I'm only going to be mad if Oldman wins. Boseman is a shoe-in, but Ahmed also deserves the award over him.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Shneak posted:

Hell yeah award season! To be honest I've been a bit disconnected from it this year. Nomadland has been a lock from the jump and the extended season hasn't helped. On the bright side it's given me more time to actually watch most of the films.
I haven't seen it yet, but when it comes to the Oscars, I wonder if Minari might get in there in some kind of split especially since Yeun is probably going to get boxed out of of Best Actor consideration. Zhao is almost certainly a lock for Best Director, so I could see Nomadland getting Best Director and Best Actress, but Feature going to Minari. Excited to actually watch it though.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
BAFTA Nominations are out

Razzie Nominations are out Leave Lauren Lapkus alone

Oscars in a train station

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Oscar Nominations are out!

Really glad the love Sound of Metal is getting. Bummer about Regina King though.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Honestly, it's bullshit to call either of them Supporting Actor. They're both the leads as the title indicates. The producers were clearly trying to slide Kaluuya into scoop up a Best Supporting as opposed to sending him off to the Best Lead category that is a non-starter. But it's a loving weird call.

Ironically, I think you could make a much stronger argument for Chadwick Boseman as supporting in Ma Rainey which is more authentically an ensemble story.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Best Actor is a bit stacked, but a little surprised Mads didn't end up with a Nomination after the Vinterberg nomination.

I am sure The Father is good, but I'm also not sure it's an actual movie.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

LionArcher posted:

incoherent Twitter female rage that film was
Ew.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Cacator posted:

I personally think 2006 is pretty solid too (maybe not for great cinema but for stuff I remember being entertained by), and I will defend Miami Vice until the day I die.
It's insane that Little Children, Children of Men, Pan's Labyrinth, The Prestige, and Once all didn't get nominated for Best Picture. Also no best Animated Feature for Paprika.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
The head of TNT Programming should have accepted the Oscar for Gladiator.

TrixRabbi posted:

Your Mileage May Vary:

2017 - The Shape of Water
I don't want to meet anyone who isn't thrilled for erotic Universal Monster fan fiction winning Best Picture.

The Artist gets too much poo poo. It's great and actually makes a statement about Silent Movies. And it was the best out of what was nominated. 2011 was a pretty weak year in general.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

TrixRabbi posted:

2011 was a great year for films never in Awards contention: Margaret, Drive, Shame, Weekend, Once Upon a Time in Anatolia, Martha Marcy May Marlene, Attack the Block, Melancholia. Good batch of films that never stood a chance.
Those are good movies no doubt, but I think I just like The Artist more than most people. The ending is genuinely heartbreaking and is the first love letter to silent film that actually meditates on the idea that we lost something with the transition to talkies. I think all of those films with The Artist are a genuine toss-up of what I would call the best.

Attack the Block is the correct choice though

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Keep on a look out that the Oscar Nominated Shorts will actually have a from-home option

I have scoffed at most pay-a-whole-ticket-price-to-watch-something-at-home schemes this year, but will probably cave on this.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
After seeing Minari I'm really hoping it splits with Nomadland. Best Picture to Minari, Best Director to Zhao. Not sure if it's going to happen but going to be pissed if Yuh-Jung Youn doesn't win.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

pospysyl posted:

I was surprised at how much respect I lost for Fincher after seeing Mank, and every bit of press I've seen from him since then has caused me to lose more. Like, lmfao:

https://twitter.com/CoreyAtad/status/1377236751043993602?s=19

"Simply impossible to do perspective in 4:3" I say as I make a movie about the production of Citizen Kane.
I don't like Mank that much, but I'm not bothered by this. 4:3 can be used well, but he's right in a lot of his points about how it makes over the shoulder shots really difficult.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Electronico6 posted:

Mank is a movie about the making of Citizen Kane, a film that proves every single of his points wrong. If Orson Welles could figure that poo poo out in 1941, I'm sure David "100 takes" Fincher could do it in 2020 too.
I really don't get the sense that they're saying Citizen Kane looks like poo poo, just that the aspect ratio has limitations. And I don't get the "figure it out" poo poo. Figure what out? Filming in an aspect ratio they're not comfortable with for a gimmick? Like you understand that you can't just "figure out" how to make this scene work in 4:3? The plot beats might be the same, but you would have to rethink so much of the composition and blocking as they correctly say.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Electronico6 posted:

You can in fact just figure it out how to make a scene of a man addressing a big dinner table work in 4:3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDO_bh4G5zo

Edit: Fincher and Messerschmidt were the ones that decided to do this gimmick. They gave it up already in early shooting. It is true that 4:3 means you have to approach scenes differently, but Messerschmidt is wrong about everything, even more so, when you have Citizen Kane hanging over you, proving every point wrong.
I just feel like the main difference is that I don't think they're saying you can't make a good looking movie in more squared ratios, just that it wasn't the movie they were trying to make or their approach to things. I'm reading their comments as more personal than inflammatory of other filmmakers.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Vegetable posted:

I watched Judas & the Black Messiah. On a better year this probably wouldn't be getting the buzz it's getting. But nominating both Kaluuya and Stanfield in Supporting Actor seem to be a sure way to torpedo both their chances. Kaluuya's performance was striking enough to be nominated in Leading Actor, imo.
Kaluuya actually seems to be the favorite for best supporting. No way Stanfield was beating Boseman, and even if Ma Rainey didn't exist, no way he was beating Yeun. And even if Minari didn't exist, Riz Ahmed should win although it would probably be competitive.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Honestly, I'd be down for a three hour traditional biopic on Fred Hampton.

This is a really good interview with the screen writers about why the film is structured the way it is and why they ended up telling Hampton's story in what often feels like a homage to The Departed.

It doesn't take away from how slight I feel like the final product is at time, but it's interesting! I think they ended up making the wrong call. Everything with Hampton just existing is the best part of the movie, but I get that they may not have even been able to make that movie.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Henchman of Santa posted:

Hasn’t Boseman winning Best Actor posthumously been basically guaranteed?
Yeah and rightfully so. He'd be nominated regardless. But honestly, I can't imagine Hopkins beating Yeun either. I think Coleman sadly might have a better chance.

I think the big tossups for me are:

Mulligan v McDormand

Minari v Nomadland for Best Picture, but Nomadland is favored. Minari is the better movie though.

Wolfwalkers v Soul, because I want to believe

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

smug n stuff posted:

This is what people are saying, but Viola Davis did win the SAG award, I don't know why she should be counted out entirely.
I wouldn't count her out entirely and it's a good performance. I just have a feeling that the Oscars might be all over Nomadland so it has an edge there, but who knows. Promising Young Woman is a good but flawed movie really buoyed by Mulligan, and I feel like the Oscars have a tendency to reward movies based on a standout feature, especially performances that don't really hang in Best Picture. I think Promising Young Woman probably shouldn't be a Best Picture nom, but the fact it is probably indicated a lot of Mulligan love.

Maybe she'll spoil, but I think Davis might end up being boxed out.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
The only thing that I dislike about Promising Young Woman is that it revels a bit in implications of the main character coordinating the rapes of other women. One of those moments is pretty immediately shown as false, but one of the other moments does hang for a long time and you don't know it didn't happen till the end. A character is still forced to deal with the shame and trauma of thinking she was raped. I think there's an argument to be made about the movie actually creating a dynamic in which some of its audience members may indeed passively cheer on a sexual assault, but it all seems false to me. It also creates this false dichotomy of there being a sort of class of women who are immune from rape or sexual assault. Rape culture is epidemic, and survivors can find themselves complicit in abuse.

I was surprised that the this didn't tank the movie for me and see other people not being able to get beyond it.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
I'm okay with Ahmed beating Boseman for the Spirits Award. I think they're equal performances, so Boseman should get his time. Ahmed has a long life ahead of him. But as much as I enjoy Ma Rainy and would probably advocate it for an Oscar Nom over Chicago 7, it's a more old timey, classic movie. Of all Wilson's plays, it's the one that probably feels most like a Hollywood picture instead of an indie movie. The Spirit Awards being the one thing that goes to Ahmed makes sense.

I think Ahmed just did a version of well-meaning and passionate dirtbag that I don't know if I've ever seen as accurately on display on screen.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Oof, Chicago 7 does not hang. It looks like a fake movie you'd see in a SNL Digital Short. Like regardless of how lovely is that they added JGL's compassionate fascist and softened the Johnson administration, Sorkin is just not a good director. Also, the gently caress is that opening montage? King and RFK's assassinations are almost framed like gags.

It did improve my opinion of Black Messiah a whole lot though.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
The Father was really good. I also wasn't expecting it to eat Tenet's lunch.

I wasn't hot on Nomadland, but also don't want to see Zhao's direction get dismissed. Minari is the only thing that really gives it a run in that department.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

smug n stuff posted:

Really funny to have all the justice-y rhetoric and then give best doc to the movie about a white south african guy’s mid-life crisis
Yeah Crip Camp was robbed.

Also is it just me or does this ceremony like... LOOK GOOD a lot of the time?

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Ignis posted:

Octopus Teacher winning is probably the dumbest winner since Bohemian Rhapsody winning Best Editing
The better comparison is Icarus which the backhalf of is actually a pretty good documentary, but the first half is some rich rear end in a top hat trying to prove he could be a professional bicyclist if he wanted to.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Oh thank god! I don't have to be mad!

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Chuka Umana posted:

I thought Hillbilly Elegy was done by Ron Howard?
They were talking about Midnight Sky

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
I like how excited Chloe Zhao was for Sound of Metal winning Editing.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

whos that broooown posted:

Quietly pays for a kid's tuition, as mentioned on the Oscars
Hahaha, I was sure someone was going to have a bad take on Perry being legit a pretty decent dude.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

General Dog posted:

That’s weird, doing this before actor and actress?
My guess is there is no illusion that Best Actor is a competition. Going to end strong with Boseman's win.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Minari was definitely my horse, and I think I personally connected with Sound of Metal more, but makes sense. Nomadland is still a good movie. At least Mank and Chicago 7 didn't win. Mank is boring and Chicago 7 is straight up bad.

Chuka Umana posted:

It's a movie that's infatuated with its own importance.

It's the Pete Buttigieg of movies
lol, this is meaningless

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Mulligan should have won

But also Davis should have won

ALSO HOLY poo poo the best Actress and Actor nominations were trash last year

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
The Father legit is good, but STIIIIIIIIIIIILL. It's loving all loving fake and Boseman died you loving clowns.

EDIT: They're equal performances. Just go with Boseman

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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
I think to shout out Boseman's performance a bit, the reason that I liked him and Ahmed so much is how well observed it was. What made Ahmed and his performances so strong for me is those were the performances where I was like, "I know that guy and I haven't really seen that guy on screen," Especially after seeing staged versions of Ma Rainey, Boseman really took that performance to a new level. Davis did too. They really pushed those characters in a way they were not on the page.

That's not to diminish Hopkins' performance, but I feel like the narrative shouldn't be that Hopkins gave the clearly best performance and Boseman was getting a sympathy Oscar. The Best Actor category was truly a crowded one, but Boseman is not going to get another chance. I promise you there were people who voted for Close slumming out of a sense of her being due. I think the bigger bummer is you could imagine Riz won him saying some lovely tings about Boseman. The whole rush off stage really stung.

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