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Josef bugman posted:I suppose you could say its out of the desire to understand "stuff" in general? The idea of what constitutes healthy and sickness that can be applied both universally and particularly. Why find meaning? Why is that preferable to not finding meaning?
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forkboy84 posted:I'd agree with that. The Myth of Sisyphus was probably the work of philosophy that had the most direct impact on me. Which isn't to say I'm not prone to despair now & again because my brain chemistry is borked but it helps somewhat. It's a very daunting thing to be told you have to create your own meaning, because there's gently caress all to be found elsewhere. It completely broke my brain at uni and I've only just started putting the pieces back together, but it's also the only piece of philosophy I've been able to find real consolation in. It also doesn't promise that everything will be smooth and easy, which fits with, well, *gestures wildly at everything* The brain chemistry thing is where meditation has helped me. If you are able to develop the skill of clearing your mind it can help force your brain to stop despairing by default. It's not easy to explain and I'm sure its efficacy varies from person to person, but it's well worth a try. Headspace free trial is a good place to start I think.
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Pistol_Pete posted:The racism report is more mixed than you might think - I've just been browsing through it - and while it's a bit scattershot and platitudinous, a lot of its recommendations are pretty unobjectionable. It is very clearly written by conservatives who view the BLM movement with a mixture of suspicion and alarm - some of the comments in the report that read rather like low-level trolling are perhaps down to this. When they say stuff like: Spoilers it was written by the spiked online/living Marxist cult so it's bullshit.
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Lets give this report that says everything is fine, written in a time of rising fascism and culture war, the benefit of the doubt
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Barry Foster posted:Why find meaning? Why is that preferable to not finding meaning? Because it is required to have Meaning in order to justify Being. I would personally argue that we cannot simply Exist as we are. It's such a ground level state of my own understanding that it is hard to really put into words.
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Josef bugman posted:Because it is required to have Meaning in order to justify Being. I would personally argue that we cannot simply Exist as we are. It's such a ground level state of my own understanding that it is hard to really put into words. Why does Being require justification? Being simply Is. And while I'm certainly not saying this about you yourself - because you're one of the sweetest people I know - the idea that you have to "justify your own existence" is laden with potentially fascististic overtones, and is in any case a category error, applying a subjective criteria to a purely objective phenomenon (We should probably take this to discord, mate  but ultimately what I'm getting at is that the act or habit of obsessing over these questions - that have no solutions, really, except insofar as you choose one for yourself - is often the actual problem that requires a solution)
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Mar 31, 2021 14:34
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Apropos of nothing XML is loving terrible.
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https://twitter.com/robbysoave/status/1377042983665684488 libertarianism.tweet e: lol the loving coward deleted the tweet that was a reply to, where he did the standard "Well 17 is over the age of consent in many states, so Matt Gaetz didn't do anything wrong" libertarian poo poo. Is there a right-libertarian anywhere in the world without an encyclopedic knowledge of age-of-consent laws? Is it an appendix in Atlas Shrugged or something? goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Ferrosol posted:Spoilers it was written by the spiked online/living Marxist cult so it's bullshit. I now have poked through the 10 main author's backgrounds (slow day at work) and they're a mixed bag. Some appear to be mainstream conservatives, others don't seem to express any strong political views. The two that stood out for me are Dr Samir Shah who, judging by his articles for Standpoint, is a complete knob and Merci Muroki, whose Twitter feed is a stream of reactionary nonsense. Which authors in particular did you think are linked to Spiked etc?
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Barry Foster posted:CBT or DBT seems more helpful for you, maybe? Lord of the Llamas posted:Apropos of nothing XML is loving terrible.
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Just had a scam call saying there's been an HMRC investigation opened in my name and that I need to press '1' or a warrant will be issued in my name and I will be arrested shortly. Was pretty funny TBH.
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Private Speech posted:Just had a scam call saying there's been an HMRC investigation opened in my name and that I need to press '1' or a warrant will be issued in my name and I will be arrested shortly. Yeah I got one of those a while back. Was like "now I don't actually doubt that the government would have a bad robot voice do HMRC calls but I do doubt that they would give me the option to not get arrested over the phone"
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Apropos of nothing XML is loving terrible. Careful, lest you get JSON.
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TACD posted:Maybe! I connected well with Stoicism when I was reading about that and I understand that there's a lot of similarities between it and CBT (not so familiar with DBT), so perhaps that's something I should explore further. I'm hardly an expert but from what I recall, DBT/REBT are, if anything, even closer to stoic philosophy. I sorta obliquely learned about the latter when I was reading a lot of Spinoza, there's broad overlap between all of em EDIT I also got one of those fake HMRC calls, seems there's been a massive wave of em over the last few weeks EDIT EDIT it wasn't Spinoza, it was Vonnegut, and the essay I was thinking of is also about Camus! Hittin' all the thread favourites. I'll send it you if you like Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/Nadine_Writes/status/1377231110791385094?s=19 https://twitter.com/Nadine_Writes/status/1377231378106961921?s=19 Lmao the 2012 Olympics shows there is no racism my loving god this whole thing is a pisstake
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https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1377214286561472513?s=21 ... huh.
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Ah the 2012 Olympic ceremony where not only did we see the celebration of our rapist mascot and Royal family who's wealth came from tearing the entire planet to shreds we also saw the servants who we literally started deporting once they hit retirement age and Dizzie singing Bonkers. Honest tae loving Christ it'd be less offensive if it was written by Uncle Ruckus
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Gonzo McFee posted:Ah the 2012 Olympic ceremony where not only did we see the celebration of our rapist mascot and Royal family who's wealth came from tearing the entire planet to shreds we also saw the servants who we literally started deporting once they hit retirement age and Dizzie singing Bonkers. Its also more than a little revisionist, given the loud shrieking about unnecessary multiculturalism in the opening ceremony from the usual suspects.
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I think the racism report does bring up an interesting and worthwhile point that poverty, classism and lack of education are the bigger indicators of whether someone will do well in life. It also points out that one of the most disadvantaged groups educationally in the UK are working class white males. Then you look at the north of the country and how it's increasingly voting right wing and tory, the red wall is a thing of the past. That's a generational issue that has been seeded for a long time and is almost impossible to solve in a reasonable amount of time now. If the north starts voting tory how the gently caress is the left wing ever going to win an election in this country? There needs to be some kind of institutional change that doesn't abandon young white working class men to become victims of right wing propaganda.
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Barry Foster posted:I also got one of those fake HMRC calls, seems there's been a massive wave of em over the last few weeks I keep getting those automated "I heard you've been in an accident that wasn't your fault?" calls. I always say back "It was no accident, I meant to kill the bastard" just to cheer myself up. One time it wasn't a robot and I scared the crap out of the lady on the other end of the line
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https://twitter.com/keewa/status/1377273075104952320?s=19 Lmao they put the Jewish guy next to the open and proud antisemite British life is just being trolled by the worst people forever.
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Barry Foster posted:EDIT EDIT it wasn't Spinoza, it was Vonnegut, and the essay I was thinking of is also about Camus! Hittin' all the thread favourites. I'll send it you if you like
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Labour seems to be coming out pretty strongly against the report, which is a nice surprise.
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 Historical wrongs by the police and the state
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Rarity posted:Happy Transgender Day of Visibility folks Pretty ironic post if anyone has you on Ignore. Good luck trans goons, we're all counting on you
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TACD posted:I’ve tried a few different therapists before and it seems like the field is just not geared to provide what I need – if I’m going to therapy it’s because I need advice on how to deal with my situation / issues, and therapy just asks me to think about things in a different way when thinking about these things inside and out is all I’ve been doing and is why I’m all hosed up lol the trend is away from directive therapy towards person-centred therapy. if you want advice then people here will be glad to provide it - but a good therapist will challenge the idea that external advice is what you need to improve your situation. if you can't afford therapy or are on a long waiting list then there are free CBT online courses and piles of books that have useful step by step approaches. the most common one is where you make a diary at the end of each day and note what you did at each hour and how you felt it's a voyage of self discovery and can feel like hard work - but unlike a job, it is at least something you do entirely for your own benefit and that of the people around you. good luck!
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Failed Imagineer posted:Pretty ironic post if anyone has you on Ignore. Who would have me on ignore, I'm a beloved posting institution 
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Lot's of nip talk, pretty dodgy. I'm sure the old cricket team I used to play against, Wisbech Old Grammarians do not use the initials anymore. Something to think about.
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Dead Goon posted:Lot's of nip talk, pretty dodgy. I'm sure the old cricket team I used to play against, Wisbech Old Grammarians do not use the initials anymore. If anything, I think nip is gonna be a lot more associated with "show us yer nips" than any esoteric anti-Asian slur. This has been my post for trans-nip visibility
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crispix posted:i think that's super that the country has tested negatiive for racism, today is a great day Barry Foster posted:I 100% agree with you both, to be clear, and I'm really, genuinely sorry if my post came off as glib. MH provision in this country is utterly atrocious and we live in a society fundamentally hostile to human flourishing and designed to elicit despair. I know that bootstraps is never going to be the answer. I just also used it as a jumping point about people who say anyone can just 'choose' to turn it around one day. It's sort of like those businessmen who say it was all 100% their own hard work when they refuse to take into account the school, public infrastructure, police or (in the uk at least) healthcare that put them in a position to do it. Same with mental health really. Someone in a stable job with their own flat and a good support network is going to find the moment of flipping to positivity a shitload easier than someone in an abusive job, finding a new flat every year who can't afford to socialise. Things like counselling can help with the process, but as you say, not everyone can afford it or get the full benefit from the few free sessions the NHS provides. And taking pills can boost your mood or level out your brain chemicals if that's all the problem is, but if the underlying issue is psychological, you better have the time and money to sort that out yourself because the NHS funding people do not give a poo poo. CBT and counselling didn't really work for me, but I suspect it's at least in part due to the autism. It felt like CBT in particular was just asking me to lie to myself about how I feel until I start to actully feel that way, which to me just felt like masking but in my own time. Counselling was frustrating because I felt the whole time like they were trying to get me to stop caring about the rest of the world's problems and concentrate on myself. Which I get it, you put your own oxygen mask on first, but I can't help but feel that when people are depressed because the world feels wrong to them, the solution is not to convince them to concentrate on themselves. And the problem is not with me. It's other fuckers making assumptions and ruining the planet and being nightmarishly selfish. My self esteem has improved immeasurably since diagnosis because now I can look back at a lifetime of interactions I didn't inderstand and think 'oh right, of course I didn't understand." Mental health provision in this country is dogshit. Either you take pills with a laundry list of side effects, (usually sexual or weight based) that you have to pay for, or you go on a course of cbt or counselling with nobody checking up on you if you drop off the list. It's not until you try to kill yourself that anyone thinks to check up on you if you can't motivate yourself to attend appointments, and in the meantime the government and employment system are both actively hostile to you in a capitalist hellscape where you need money to eat and to live. That was the other thing, the NHS counsellor telling me I should just stop trying to find work and be an artist if that's what I always wanted, telling me that guilt at not earning was a 'working class conceit.' I just stared at her because I felt like i'd been flashbanged by how astonishingly wrong her statement was on so many levels. Also I wish I could train myself out of using rhetorical you, I start so many arguments online that way. But I need to take the dog out and I don't have time to revise it.
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Rarity posted:Happy Transgender Day of Visibility folks Yeah it's a full year now since I came out online...
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Rarity posted:Who would have me on ignore, I'm a beloved posting institution On a scale of 1 - 10 how impactful of a poster would you say you are? (glad to see you around again!)
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Time is hosed because it feels like we had that day quite recently. I hope despite the difficulty it is still better for you now, Rumda. And having Rarity back with us for a while has genuinely brightened my past week or so.
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Miftan posted:On a scale of 1 - 10 how impactful of a poster would you say you are? (glad to see you around again!) I'm a 12/10 high impact poster, A+ would read again (Enjoy while it lasts, I'll probably gently caress off again once the Kill the Bill stuff settles down)
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I managed to buy a one bed flat and the housing association who own the freehold have just given me and every other leaseholder in the building a charge of 30k to pay for further fire remediation. Is anyone else in this situation?
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Failed Imagineer posted:If anything, I think nip is gonna be a lot more associated with "show us yer nips" than any esoteric anti-Asian slur. Still pretty questionable. They wouldn't name their party the Northern Independence Generation for Green Environmental Revolution, would they? I don't think anyone think's there's any racial animus behind the name, but when it came to deciding it, the fact that the initials also spelling a racial slur for east Asian people wasn't a dealbreaker would be quite demoralising, were I east Asian.
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Ravel posted:I managed to buy a one bed flat and the housing association who own the freehold have just given me and every other leaseholder in the building a charge of 30k to pay for further fire remediation. Is anyone else in this situation? kind of. there was a leak in the roof that i reported and about a year later i got letters saying how the council has appointed commercial suppliers to put it right and it looks to be costing a million quid. which divided by the number of flats is 5 figures. on the other hand id assume their building insurance would cover it but if so why are they telling me what it costs...????????? how long do you have to pay the money? might be worth getting a solicitor involved. property owners are a very influential lobby so i feel like the tories will crack and pay this stuff soon
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Counselling was frustrating because I felt the whole time like they were trying to get me to stop caring about the rest of the world's problems and concentrate on myself. Which I get it, you put your own oxygen mask on first, but I can't help but feel that when people are depressed because the world feels wrong to them, the solution is not to convince them to concentrate on themselves. I was really leery about this as well and was getting a bit frustrated with the way my therapist kept bringing back my issues with the world back to me, but ultimately it's their job to help you, not the world. And at least for me it's been about learning the resilience necessary to deal with said lovely-rear end world to the best of my ability, which requires me letting go off all the nihilism and despair and bitterness and trying to connect in a more real way with other people and with myself. Like, lots and lots and lots of people before us and around us have fought the good fight, not just relentlessly but with optimism and good cheer, and it's not like they're any less aware of the problems than we are. If you need to speak to a counsellor, it's because your problems are yours, if that makes sense? I can probably find a better way of putting that. Oh, and much love and solidarity, trans-comrades (transrades?) 
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Ravel posted:I managed to buy a one bed flat and the housing association who own the freehold have just given me and every other leaseholder in the building a charge of 30k to pay for further fire remediation. Is anyone else in this situation? There are, and the Tories are loudly telling them to gently caress off quote:A plan to protect leaseholders from the spiralling costs of fixing fire safety problems in the wake of the Grenfell Tower disaster has been rejected in parliament after the government headed off a cross-party challenge.
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