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Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
Awful country this is

a loving abominaaaaation

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Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

These days if you stay in England you're arrested and thrown in jail, these days.

Inshallah

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Junior G-man posted:

Not the way I hoped Labour would die, but sure why not:

https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/973574768946491392?s=20

hee hee hee

2018 dude

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
What do you mean "coalition"? They ARE the tories

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

There were little mushrooms growing in he veins

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Jose posted:

kieth is more demonstrably fascist than glenn greenwald and working to elect him is a bad look

glen greenwald sucks loving rear end

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Jose posted:

ok so you admit you're a big torture fan

i guess in much the same way you're a big fan of transphobia

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Aramoro posted:

I had been avoiding the UKMT thread for a bit because jesus christ politics. I see not much has changed lol. 'You're a fash' 'no YOU'RE a fash' 'well you're probably a TERF or something IDK'

GG is definitely either a terf or terf adjacent; retweeting literal conspiracy theories about trans people replacing lesbians is a pretty big "yikes" moment, let alone his defence of a book and terfy author that argues the same poo poo

the dude sucks rear end

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Rumda posted:

And you, a person whose knee jerk reaction to a know bad faith troll calling a transwoman aggressive was to join in on attacking the trans woman without going to check to see if the comments were even warranted, are once again going to bat for a transphobe

casually stanning for a dude who thinks that tucker carlson is a legitimate "socialist"

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

fridge corn posted:

My comment to you about being needlessly aggressive had nothing to do with you being trans and made no reference to you being trans whatsoever.

Settle down now

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
The aim is to literally push trans people to either stop transitioning or to die

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Necrothatcher posted:

I read the thread on that tweet and they're saying the way the data is put is a little misleading.

The clinic didn't see only two patients in 2020, it only saw two patients that'd signed up since December 2019. Presumably the rest of the patients they saw were from the extremely long waiting list of people who'd signed up before then.

i'm sure this post will age well

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

crispix posted:

the icy man on our estate when i was wee looked like the angry ginger bloke on the Guess Who board



alfred

the ice cream man in our town was stabbed for either being a nonce or a drug dealer, possibly both going by the rumours

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Necrothatcher posted:

so how does that make me a transphobe?

settle down now:

Rumda posted:

this is frankly transphobic apologia

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Aramoro posted:

So we all agree the original tweet is wrong, so why are people getting called transphobes?

What do you mean "We"? Surely you mean yourself

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
Only a cis person could look at the utter abomination that is trans health care in the uk and walk away with the belief that it's not as bad as trans people are saying it is

People literally kill themselves because of dysphoria over these years long waiting times and that's before covid is factored in.

Some of the lowest waiting times are in the 2-3+ years

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

LordVorbis posted:

poo poo like this is why I see my only option is to remain depressed and continue presenting male. There's literally no help, and I'm not sure I'd have the strength to have the daily fight other trans-women have over,

Bathrooms
Shared living spaces
Sports
Children
The right to loving exist

Maybe I'll cough up :10bux: for an account name change and just live vicariously that way? :D

Feel free to come over to the trans thread in byob if you haven't already

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3906197

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

IllusionistTrixie posted:

Decided that step one is be the change you want to see :P But thank you and Isomermaid and Ash for the support. Perhaps better things are possible?

I hate to advocate for private health care, but in regards to trans people in britain it's pretty much a must unless you're either going to do it DIY or endure the absurd waiting times.

I'm with YourGP, Got a diagnosis and eventually hormones, a bit pricey but they don't have the same issues that GenderGP seem to be having... yet.

The main problem right now is getting GP's to actually cooperate... they're okay with doing sharedcare for blood tests but it's always a bit iffy with them, never know when they'll decide to start be arsey about it.

Look forward to seeing you in the Byob thread.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Rumda posted:

how well did that work out did you just need two appointments? I'm currently doing DIY but I have had issue with supply I have an appointment next week to talk to my GP next week about how much she'll be willing to do with a private diagnosis

I needed more than two but i did end up getting a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria by one of the people from the closest GIC (Chalmers) which i guess will help in the future and at least can't be swept under the rug or discounted.

In terms of GPs it really depends on the gp and the practice. I'm lucky, really lucky that my gp is supportive and affirming, with the above probably contributing to that as well.

Just becareful with who you go to whilst GenderGP might be cheaper alot of gps don't like to work with them, going by british trans people's experiences. It might end up cheaper in the long run.

Again, I don't know how typical my experience is, but at least with Edinburgh's branch of YourGP it was pretty good, not as much gatekeeping as i thought there would be, just make sure to show that you're taking active steps, they understood that i had concerns about my safety, which is why i'm still in boymode (for the most part).

Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Mar 6, 2021

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

crispix posted:

circumcision

Love a moist glans, personally

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

crispix posted:

yeah i'm not saying it's good, just they do a lot more of it

Appropo of nothing but there's nothing inherently gay about two men sucking each others dicks

They could just be good friends

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

crispix posted:

yeah my american ex was circumcised "just because". it's very much the norm in the mid-west from what i've gathered. he's from ohio and he was not exactly chaste in his college days but mine was the first foreskin he'd encountered lol

It's basically to punish people for jacking it

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Vitamin P posted:

You are a piece of poo poo and I'm extremely glad you aren't systemically representative of trans people because you very obviously don't give a gently caress about other trans people potentally being able to have good lives.

Was gonna go debate bro and say 'please define "posting apologia for an institionally transphobic service"' but gently caress you just 1. tell us what would be sufficiently good enough for you and 2. highlight just one example that is systemically better than the one you're making GBS threads on. It should be very easy for you from your rhetoric.

A bad post by a bad person

Unremitting shite flows from you

Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Mar 7, 2021

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

I don't see how the hell you can possibly parse those results as anything other than a systematized attempt to deny people healthcare without just explicitly stating it.

The only way anyone can argue that the current situation is in anyway adequate is to explicitly ignore the experiences of trans people

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
I genuinely want to know what the gently caress trans people in Britain are supposed to do when the clinics designed to help them are at best poo poo and at worst actively hostile and ran by people who don't have the best interests of trans people in mind

Do we just wait and hope to God that we get an introductory appointment before we die?

There's a reason GIC's are viewed with utter suspicion and contempt

Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Mar 7, 2021

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Rumda posted:

roll over and be okay with it like the good little broken people we are

You know it's bad when the American healthcare system is an actual improvement over the current situation

And it's only going to get worse unfortunately

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
Lol at the fact I have to undergo years worth of evaluations before I can access medication that cis people can easily obtain with relatively little hassle and gatekeeping

But sure the system is fit for purpose

I get that not everyone is familiar with this but gently caress me man, don't tell me it's sufficient when I've been waiting at least 2 years for an introductory appointment and that I've been forced into going private and paying thousands for basic poo poo that cis people can access with little fuss

Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Mar 7, 2021

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

ItohRespectArmy posted:

i dont understand how anyone could defend the GIC. Every person I know that has tried to use it has numerous horror stories that boggle the mind and defy explanation outside of it being a transphobic front that exists to torture trans people.

Earlier this month an official twitter account from the Tavistock was tweeting articles from transphobes from America with pictures of razorblades on it. Utter scum

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Vitamin P posted:

Aww poor baby, keep exploiting unrelated oppressed people to justify you being a nasty little streak of piss.

It actually took me a second to realise why your last post felt so scummy and apologies for MSpaint it's not terribly readable but the point stands



you clicked quote and then went and changed what was written in the quote box what is wrong with you? You can't be this actively nasty, actively wierd and actively dishonest and still be so nastily judgemental about actually useful poo poo. You have zero moral highground twat.

You're either just a loving liar, straight up delusional or a troll if you think GIC's are in anyway fit for purpose.

So which is it?

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
Look vitamin p loves trans people

Not enough to listen to them, mind you

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
You'll notice when pressed about GIC's Vitamin P goes silent.

Now who's right here, the majority of Britain tran's peoples experiences with the GIC as an insitution or Vitamin P

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

ThomasPaine posted:

Lads is a gender neutral term and I will not be backing down on this one

settle down hun

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

goddamnedtwisto posted:

In fact I feel like I need to put a bit more substance into my last post. A lot of posters in this thread were *way* more aggressive in running off several perfectly good posters (including some really loving creepy helldumping in one case) for just *mentioning* they voted Kier Starmer - not even arguing after the fact it was a good choice, just saying (and even in one case *joking*) that they went against the groupthink in this most heinous way than they've ever been in attacking people claiming there is a religious basis to the child sex abuse cases in Rotherham, concern-trolling about the alt-right, or defending Luke loving Bozier.

Now we're into what is going to be YET ANOTHER - by my reckoning about the 10th - round of "<x> is gendered, it mustn't ever be used" which will inevitably generate into another bunch of bellowing at cross purposes for at least a couple of days without moving the needle one iota in any direction; there will no doubt be a very long argument over the word oval office, and I'm certain at least one completely earnest argument that a very obviously gendered word is in fact not gendered.

I'm just tired. There's no fun in this thread any more, it's getting more and more vicious, and some of the dullest people in the entire world are somehow creeping into every single page with literally nothing to say but because they've managed to latch onto the right side of an argument for once in their pointless existences they're going to post and post and post and post and post. It's become - like all leftist spaces tend to - just one long and sustained argument about the exact topology of the collective navel, rather than something that is even vaguely informative, entertaining, or even comradely.

And yes, talking of boring inevitability, this is probably about the twentieth time I've done a variation of this rant and flounced off. I will sneak back in at some point, possibly even later tonight, because nothing in this world ever really changes, let alone improves.

Who are you complaining about?

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
Everyday I wake up and think "god this country loving sucks rear end lol"

I include Scotland in that as well

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Comrade Fakename posted:

Seems weird to hang out in a place where they want you gone.

Hello

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Shyrka posted:

What happened to Aceofflames anyway?

But seriously, doomposting is just venting. poo poo's hosed and saying so provides at least a tiny modicum of catharsis for being able to express your feelings. Maybe don't do it too much, but the thread can have a little doomposting. As a treat.

edit: Like seriously, it's really upsetting to see the trajectory we're on and most of the world continuing on blindly towards destruction. Even just saying "poo poo's hosed!" and having someone reply, "I know, right?" is seriously good for not feeling like you're going completely insane.

through this thread i have become... a better person

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Communist Thoughts posted:

i reckon kier is gone and if labour can restrain their sexism for a single leadership challenge we're gonna have jessflaps as leader

and quite honestly as much as i dislike her she'll be way loving better than starmer

I'd rather not have some terf-adjacent as a leader of the opposition

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
good on thorntons for disappearing, no longer existing

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
The end goal of terfs is to institute person by person genital Inspections for any and everyone entering a gendered space

Everyday is dick inspection day

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Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Jedit posted:

This is the context needed to interpret Owl's numbers from earlier. It could have been the case that people were exiting and leaving the GIC referral lists at roughly the same rate, meaning that 5 years and change was just how long the process takes. But knowing that they are not, the numbers become indicative of a system that is either starved of support or being purposefully obstructive (if not both).

People probably thought I was being absurdly hyperbolic when I said the UK's approach to transitioning is to essentially force a trans person to desist or die waiting if they cannot afford private sector healthcare

Its increasingly clear that's the official plan.

Inaction/apathy is in itself an action; the vast majority of cis people simply don't give enough of a poo poo for this to change anytime soon , even if they hold positive, affirming views towards trans people.

Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Mar 16, 2021

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