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I wonder if each mastermind will get their own exclusive special agent nemesis in their playthrough. Emma trained Meanwhile Zalika is basically every Silicon Valley techbro, but actually competent, isn't she? (Also with less toxic masculinity one assumes) Although  at the bio where she beat her own AI at chess after a single year. It isn't even stated that in that year said AI became undisputed chess world champion, it's simply taken as obvious.
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MonsterEnvy posted:The game tells you how in optional objectives. Probably tech lady and her AI daughter. On one hand, no Eli Barracuda Jr. On the other hand, fairly thematic. Now I'm trying to think of other thematic combos. Eli should go with everyone, but I hope he calls Red Ivan uncle or other forms of close affection. His pa knew him after all. Red Ivan would also go along really well with Jubei, reminiscing about good jolly old times. Max is probably the most receptive to Janet's fan mail (delivered by alarm clock). And no clue on who less evil Thatcher would favour. Probably Eli, she'd approve his skillset.
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Nephthys posted:Or Zalika and IRIS, which just makes sense thematically. I'm not convinced IRIS turning into a camera is that useful though. Neither am I, but maybe she can see through agents' disguises, and from the preview video it seemed like her camera mode could see through walls. Her combat stats and combat ability seem good though, with strong attacks, high health and an invulnerability + full heal. Worst case scenario you park her in the casino in camera mode and have decent camera coverage for free. I assume she doesn't generate heat simply being seen by agents and tourists; I mean, there isn't any law against genius inventor Zalika deciding to hire her AI daughter for casino security. E: Nephthys posted:I'm curious about Janet Bombe's ability to sabotage weapons. If she can make a super agents gun explode and they have to fight barehanded that might be really strong. Destroying evidence could also be good. I'm scratching my head about Destroy Evidence. She's not erasing the agent's memories, so some heat should still be generated when the agent goes back home. Imagine the debriefing otherwise: Agent: "I infiltrated behind suspect's casino operation and they've got enough nuclear generators to power a small country, and a small country, behind it." Emma's replacement: "Did you take some photos?" A: "My spycam was defective and it didn't save the pictures" E's R: "Your testimony is useless, we can't escalate things without photographic evidence" (It would explain why Emma is simply loving done with the world though) Omobono fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Mar 29, 2021 09:24
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dogstile posted:Everything reviewers are saying they dislike about the game screams "I don't know how to manage heat".  I've seen a stream where the player kept making new criminal networks (3 workers), checking the cash schemes, and then blowing up the network because the schemes were small potatoes because guess what you only get small potato schemes on level 1 criminal networks. He was constantly under a worker shortage  E: it's some hours too early of course, but the plan I'll go with is to have a lot of networks around the globe and have a lot of long schemes running. Low worker attrition, making it up by volume.
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When they tell you that higher level criminal networks give access to better schemes, they aren't kidding. A level 2 network (requires 3 broadcast total) just gave me access to a ~250k cash over 1 hour scheme. It requires some upgraded minions instead of workers to run, but still. E: 100 heat capacity and the scheme generates 50 heat.
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Mar 30, 2021 18:39
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Danaru posted:The fact that they have to say "YOUR MINIONS WILL NOT RETURN." so many times forces me to assume that directing play testing was a loving nightmare Banemaster posted:Yeah. Various stat replenishing rooms are the worst offender so far. 5 step tutorial for "To replenish [Brains / Morale / Health / Hunger / didgeridoo] build [far too large room] with 1 [item]" is annoying. I wonder if playtesters demonstrated that tutorials need to be this handholdy. Honestly? Considering the streams I saw I'd say the tutorial was not handholdy enough, mostly on minion management and world map strategy. Minion efficiency uber alles early on. PSA: if you go to the minion management screen and click on the workers there's an option to hire one right now for 10k cash. Free recruitment is every minute, but I have no clue how many you get each minute. I think it's a fraction of your maximum capacity because I saw more than one recruited at once.
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You need to be careful around the world map when super agents come into play. I don't know if they also strike if left alone, but when stationed in a region they will react to starting a scheme in that region (and adjacent ones I think?) by investigating the scheme, gathering information about you, assembling an elite strike team and then coming to wreck poo poo. Already started schemes are not affected, but it can mean you have to eat the heat or even a lockdown to avoid a super agent coming home to play. There are special schemes where you do the Bond villain thing and give them an official invitation to your lair. They last 3 minutes and they cause the super agent to attack at completion, with a minimum level strike team. Note: minimum level strike team still a murder horde. The advantage is that you control when they attack and each special agent is fairly predictable in where they spawn, so you can prepare the welcoming committee. E: terminate, not capture, the strike team early on. Termination requires depleting vitality, capture requires almost depleting vitality AND skill. Make sure the muscle has plenty of weapon racks, they're way better at fisticuffs than your minions and they're armed. Omobono fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 06:59
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The Wicked Wall posted:Anyone know what the [Super Agent related scheme] 'Invite Agent X' actually does? It seems to require quite a few minions to do so it seems like there's more to it, but if there isn't it just seems actively awful to do. Exactly what it says on the tin, and there's one for each Super Agent. It's a Bond villain invitation to the super agent to invade your base. Why would you want to do that? Because the provoked invasion happens at minimum strength and if the assholes are camping a plot mission it may be preferable to waiting till they get bored or getting reck'd by a medium strength invasion.
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Ugh, which minion type is required for level 3 networks? They want mercenaries, botanists and ???. I know it isn't socialites or martial artists. The problem is that I don't see any new sidestory unlock at the moment. Omobono fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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Sedisp posted:Uhh so do those "super agent intervention missions just like not do anything? Each time Ive completed one they just immediately spawn in my base. Deltasquid posted:You sure you aren't doing the super agent invitation missions? They're meant to spawn them in your base with weaker backup so you can take them down on your own terms to get rid of them for a short while. When you trigger a super agent and they are getting ready to invade a short lived emergency intervention mission should appear. Presumably completing this mission weakens the super agent strike team before they spawn, but at that point an attack is inevitable. Invitation missions have no penalty if ignored, intervention missions have a really short lifetime and the agent attacks anyways when the timer's over. E: Das Butterbrot posted:I can't figure out how to make Max sit down in the fancy golden chair I built for him, to make him regain stats. Anyone? Right clicking while having him selected just plays a voiceline. Check your main story objectives, there's probably something that wants that chair. The conference table also restores your Genius stats though, (build) and use that in the meanwhile. Omobono fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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Apr 1, 2021 09:58
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Guys, I think I resolved my super agent issues. Complete a super agent sidestory and they simply loving go away until the next chapter of their sidestory is triggered. What triggers it, if main plot advancement or raising hell in their area again, I have no clue, but I decided that Agent X had to go, I chained 3 or 4 of his sidestories, and now he's still alive but nowhere to be found on the map. I'll try and do the same with the super saboteur (the Luchador in SMASH) and report back, since Zalika should hard-counter him. E: anyone knows what their passive effects are on the world map? Agent X generates a lot of heat in the region he's stationed. Omobono fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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Apr 1, 2021 18:47
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Omobono posted:Guys, I think I resolved my super agent issues. Complete a super agent sidestory and they simply loving go away until the next chapter of their sidestory is triggered. Trip report, this doesn't work, Agent X was back after a few minutes and no sidestory. Worth a try though.
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Apr 1, 2021 19:50
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John Steele's boss is unaligned and she'll patrol any area in the world, bringing her vats of John Steele's clones with her. Note: the cloning vats mention is a joke and I've no idea if it's true or not.
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Are there traps that sap resolve? My current combo hallway is a touch too lethal for my tastes.
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Some combat observations: Minion melee damage is 5 damage each hit, no matter the muscle minion type. Strong agents can have 200 health, super agents 300+ health. Yup. Maybe martial artists deal more damage than 5 without weapons equipped, it'd make sense, but I have no clue. Most of your minions do not come with guns by default. Agents do. Ranged combat always deals more damage than melee combat, with a giant question mark for martial artists. Some muscle minion types come with guns by default. They're peashooters but at least they're ranged. Meanwhile, henchmen, super agents and your Genius deal loads of damage. Steele can 1-shot any minion in melee for example. Corollary 1: research and build a lot of gun/rifle racks in your guard rooms. It's the only way to deal serious damage, even strong combat henchmen will get overwhelmed by numbers. It's 5 guns/rifles per rack, so divide by your non-martial artist target number and build that many racks, plus a couple. Muscle minions will arm themselves by default. I'd do an even split between lethal/nonlethal weapons or a 2 to 1 split. Lethal weapons deal more vitality damage, non-lethal deal more skill damage. Capturing a target requires depleting both. Corollary 2: melee weapon are not useless, and martial artists can only use clubs/staves anyways. You'll need minions in melee to tie their ranged attacks, so might as well have them deal real damage. Engagement procedure: use an henchman at the start to draw aggro, they can take some punishment. Kite if the hired muscle is taking their time. When your throng of muscle minions finally arrives on the scene, micro the henchmen to engage in melee any agent staying back and shooting until a minion comes in. It's why IRIS' camera ability is surprisingly useful. She can run at the enemy, engage, and activate camera mode for 2 or 3 seconds, making all the muscle minions are now converging on the scene. Meanwhile IRIS can use the first ability to stall before needing to kite, and she has a very strong ranged attack.
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Gyoru posted:Meanwhile Fugu is incredible. That feels broken. Agent X down, finally. It required a level 4 network, and I assume it'll be the same for all final Super Agent sidestories. EDIT to not doublepost: to continue on something from earlier ice ray and bubble cannon traps deal resolve damage. about 15 to 20 for the ice ray, 30 for the bubble cannon. Knockout gas, despite the name, deals vitality and skill damage. One or two at the start of a trap gauntlet is still a good option because skill should be what governs trap detection/sabotage. Omobono fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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I'm starting to think that tagging everything is a mistake. Set an auto distract tag in the casino by all means so agents get harassed by deception minions, but remove it when an agent enters the base proper and rely on resolve traps instead. You can put a second distract tag in rooms with incriminating evidence, covered by cameras and a couple advanced guard posts, so if the agent decides to aggro guards will quickly be on them, and they should be isolated from other groups. This mostly because super agents ALWAYS aggro if a minion tries to get them back to the cover operation. Of course, this presumes a distract auto-tag gets cleared if an agent enters a no tag zone. Super saboteurs (SMASH and SABRE) can be dealt with with henchmen that can deal resolve damage (hey there Eli), or simply brute-forced with a capture tag. E:VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Vengarr posted:You don’t need to put distract tags in the cover op, the valets and socialites will do their thing regardless. Yeesh, all right, auto-tags are only for zones after the trap gauntlet then. Omobono fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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Laughing Zealot posted:So when weapon racks are emptied out should I just sell them and buy new ones? I don't notice anyone ever returning the tools. No, when minions die workers and technicians recover the weapons and bring them back to the racks. Actually, answer may be yes because it'd mean less poo poo to move when there's 30 body bags on the floor after a brawl. Depends on if selling the rack makes the weapons disappear.
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Yeesh, finally removing Steele is BRUTAL. Spoilers: first you have to deal with 2 normal Steeles, then there's two waves of 6 Steeles, on full battle footing from the start. I assume Red Ivan trivialises it though.
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Eli can tank somewhat based on the fact that he has a lot of vitality, but he's not a dedicated tanky character. E: although early on 100 HP is basically all you need to tank. On the other hand, his revolver can kill any super agent in three to six shots if some minions distract them.
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bandaid.friend posted:
The new Batman: Arkham World game coming along nicely I see.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Is there a way to show what damage traps, minion weapons, and the like do? I'm unlocking more traps stalling at tier 3 but since they all do different types of damage and the amount they do isn't listed its hard to put them to good use. X and Symmetry teleport inside, everyone else goes through the front door. Not that it matters, since Blue Saint and Wrecking Bola are super saboteurs and thus basically immune to traps, Atomic Olga is a super soldier and thus shoots the traps*, and the Steeles are Steeles and thus the best of the best. Super agents will also basically ignore every distraction in the casino. *I have no idea how she deals with traps, I always dealt with her at the end of the cover operation
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CuddleCryptid posted:At least for Wrecking Bola she came in through the helicopter entrance, which isn't awful to plan around I guess but putting a killbox in that limited space is hard when you only have two floors to work with until later research Uh, maybe it depends on the island? On the other hand, I never triggered her outside of plot.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Were you playing on Caine Key, the one that specifies everyone comes in through the cover operation? This might have been it. (yes)
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wayniechan posted:I stand corrected, not sure why it wasn’t auto tagging distract before when setting the casino to green, because it is totally working now. My bad. Game can be buggy sometimes I guess? I think agents get actually tagged once in line of sight of something (cameras or minions). Since the casino is swarming with deception minions it's usually not a problem. Re: intel How the hell do you get minions to actually man the counters? Endgame I needed to have my Genius parked using her "do this" aura.
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Part of it is AI issues that need to be patched. I've seen a minion at full stats hit the computer, work for two seconds and then stop working to "improve smarts". At 100/100 smarts.  How the hell do you gently caress the AI prioritization that badly?
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Big Ink posted:So far after trying to recruit Eli, Jubei, and now the hunter guy. When I get the final mission to kill or capture it defaults to kill and I'm stuck with Iris and Incenio as my only henchmen. Have I been doing something wrong this whole time? Did you manually tag them for capture? When minions have to engage an untagged target they default to killing them, not capturing. (Which I think is the correct default behavior because capture is way more difficult)
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Apr 5, 2021 19:29
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Vengarr posted:Every soundbite feels like the sound director kept yelling “MORE HAM” in-between takes, it owns. Biggest rack clocks at 10k storage (in a very compact 2 tiles but it's wall only); you'd need 96k racks to reach 1B with the free 40k storage, plus the power generators to power them, plus the control room to actually steal that money on the world stage and its power needs, plus the need for protection for these racks against rogues. Sheesh.
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There's the caveat that when Steele triggers they and Blue Saint are going to cover full half of SMASH if you don't spread, so going wide is kinda needed to keep the pressure off those territories. I think SMASH then SABRE are the money-making priorities (absent special schemes from loot and/or henchmen), other places should have valets heat reduction schemes going 24/7 so if you need to run a plot/sidequest mission there the heat is already down. Or use them to refuel the doom weapon in your spare time.
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Magni posted:I think the boost is that they don't lose smarts, so they'll basically work the console nonstop until Zalika runs out of morale to keep up her aura. No, it's only for research. If you click on a minion getting boosted by her aura, it specifies research even on minions working on intel consoles. Technicians get increased repair rate instead IIRC.
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If a merc has a ranged weapon they'll drop it when they finish training to MA, that's not really a problem. Some minion will bring it back to the racks later.
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Tenebrais posted:Investigators become workers, Soldiers become guards, Saboteurs being technicians and Rogues become valets. I've seen soldiers becoming mercenaries. I assume higher level rogues could also become higher tier deception minion, while I doubt saboteurs will give you scientists/biologists/quantum chemists, and agents are basic and I think will always give workers.
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