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Kibayasu posted:Even Elizabeth doesn't know how the game's plot works. I don't even think the game's writers knew how the plot works. Opening tears seems to have only first order effects, and only serve to point to the next arena. Trying to weave a truly comprehensive (or even comprehensible) plot is out of the question.
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Aside from the obvious commentary like "this game likes to pretend to be extremely deep while it isn't at all," "wow writing a story about both sides being bad and things being more nuanced in a rebellion against slavery is a really good idea," and "maybe Elizabeth's character and role could have benefited from a second pass" I really like Booker's complete and utter inability to assess a situation or adapt to it, even at the start of the game he can't even manage to try, not even succeed, try to blend in.
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At this point Booker seemed to have accepted the entire concept of travelling to (or something) alternate universes so him still trying to insist to Fitzroy that he delivered the guns so she should now honor the deal and give him the airship just broke my credulity in half.
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Its kinda amazing for all the following Bioshock got how they screwed up on every front possible here. Even more amazing is just how muddy this PS3 version is.
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Another crazy theory about Chen Lin being more protected in the later universes: How was he even allowed to marry a non-Chinese person? Because in those universes, Columbia did not get involved in the Boxer Rebellion. What’s the basis of this? In Universe 1, when interrogating Chen, they use a particular offensive slur (gook). In Universe 2, they no longer use the word, instead using a different one (chink). Both of these terms were quite recent coinages in 1912. The second one is fairly obviously used to mean a Chinese person with probably occasional racist expansion to other peoples, and presumably has always been that way. The first has a more varied history. While nowadays it’s used generically toward East Asians/Pacific Islanders (with some slight bias toward Koreans), it was not like that in this time period. The word likely came into use around 1900, from Americans violently suppressing Filipinos during their rebellion. In 1912 it would again be used by Americans toward Nicaraguans in the course of violently suppressing a rebellion. So at this time it became a derogatory term for any native people when the US (and the Marines in particular) got involved in suppressing rebellions. What is notable about Columbia in its first timeline? It was involved in violently suppressing the Boxer Rebellion. Historically, the USA was involved there, but not on the level of the Philippines and Nicaragua. But Columbia was involved to about the extent of the others. So in the BS:I Universe 1, it makes sense if the term would have spread quickly from being used by Americans in the Philippines to Americans in China, if they were involved in similar actions (as actually happened in Nicaragua a decade later). Thus, while Chen is spared due to his connections, he was only allowed to form that connection due to a specific level of friendliness with China in Universes 2 and later. What caused it? Was there no Boxer Rebellion? Was China more powerful? Less powerful? Either way, eh, I can’t do this anymore with a straight face, sorry. Also it bothers me that this town full of racists depicts their sworn enemy who is not white as a Disney princess. No, I do not want more racist caricatures, but they could at least make them look as awful as the actual mug shots of the other people in the Vox. Kangra fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Kibayasu posted:At this point Booker seemed to have accepted the entire concept of travelling to (or something) alternate universes so him still trying to insist to Fitzroy that he delivered the guns so she should now honor the deal and give him the airship just broke my credulity in half. Like I said, Booker doesn't pay attention to anything that's going on, he's the ultimate "Ignorance is Bliss" character.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Its kinda amazing for all the following Bioshock got how they screwed up on every front possible here. Even more amazing is just how muddy this PS3 version is. The opinion on Bioshock Infinite is weirdly disjointed for me. I heard the hubbub around Bioshock Infinite when it was released, with everyone with a positive opinion whenever I heard about it incidentally. Now most of the opinions I've seen about Bioshock Infinite more reflect what I see here in the thread. It's a bit odd to me how it has to be still the same game, but that opinions seem to have degraded so much.
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Keldulas posted:The opinion on Bioshock Infinite is weirdly disjointed for me. I heard the hubbub around Bioshock Infinite when it was released, with everyone with a positive opinion whenever I heard about it incidentally. As someone that left playing this game originally with a slightly-positive opinion, I have to say that at the very least it manages to give the impression of being deep, especially with regards to the ending of the game. It really appealed to a certain kind of nerd that didn't really understand things, but thought they did.
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Confession: I haven't played bioshock 1 for more than a few minutes. I've tried but it just never grabbed me. That said, the combat sections of infinite seem to be a serious step backwards, in terms of level design, enemy types, you name it. Would people who've played both agree or is this a misimpression from just having watched LPs?
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Jul 13, 2021 16:48
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  I knew checking every toilet would pay off!
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 This is where they remind you they can still do exploration and side areas like a proper 0451 game. Only they can't.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Confession: I haven't played bioshock 1 for more than a few minutes. I've tried but it just never grabbed me. That said, the combat sections of infinite seem to be a serious step backwards, in terms of level design, enemy types, you name it. Would people who've played both agree or is this a misimpression from just having watched LPs? Infinite is wildly better. Having recently LPed it, the original Bioshock did not age well at all from a gameplay standpoint. That said I'll go to bat for Infinite every time. (Not the DLC)
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It isn't an entirely ineffective level to contrast against the Columbia before the Vox but then you're left with the uncomfortable idea of what was worth it about Colu,bia before the Vox. Its very hard to tell if that's intentional or not. Given future events they're obviously trying to evoke a certain other game but for all of Columbia's spectacle it doesn't have the details.
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Natural 20 posted:Having recently LPed it, the original Bioshock did not age well at all from a gameplay standpoint.
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I have to imagine the items in most containers are mostly randomly generated, but either at gameplay time, or at container placement while editing the level. I can't imagine someone spending their OTOH that may be exactly the kind of menial work a AAA developer would have a worker do, maybe.
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Space Kablooey posted:I have to imagine the items in most containers are mostly randomly generated, but either at gameplay time, or at container placement while editing the level. I can't imagine someone spending their I can see people walking into work with a hot dog or frankfurter, slipping it into their desk or a handy cabinet so that they don't have to buy an expensive rear end lunch Watching the delusions of lady comstock and her depressing battle of following her moral compass vs keeping comstock on such a high pedestal is frustrating. I think in 2013 it woukd have been seen as a kind of novel struggle that may not be widely experienced. But trotting it out today would be seen as too on-the-nose.
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sb hermit posted:I can see people walking into work with a hot dog or frankfurter, slipping it into their desk or a handy cabinet so that they don't have to buy an expensive rear end lunch "Gamasutra posted:I've been holding off on this question for awhile, but I have to know. How'd you get to be called "Burger"?
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NGDBSS posted:Have you heard the story of Burger Becky, aka Rebecca Heineman? Because if not it's exactly what you describe but with ground beef rather than pork intestine. I think I read this before but it's always crazy to read again. To be honest, I would probably do the same but with bean burritos if I was being paid terribly.
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NGDBSS posted:Have you heard the story of Burger Becky, aka Rebecca Heineman? Because if not it's exactly what you describe but with ground beef rather than pork intestine. This is the first time im reading this and it's 
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Nice of the game to spell out what was happening just in case you didn't get it from the hours of careful build up beforehand.
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I'd been waiting for the Phantom Not-Mom part of the playthrough to see if my memory served correctly--this is when the game stopped tricking me so effectively during my first playthrough years ago. The different realities & differing consequences in those realities were intriguing enough as a whole to string me along and look past the logical issues that had begun to pile up, but once Elizabeth gave a monologue to this ghost boss that's long overstayed its welcome at this point, and the game makes it seem like I'm supposed to give an extra poo poo about it, I started questioning if the plot was going to be anywhere near satisfactory in the end. From the sounds of it, I'm extra-glad I didn't play the DLC... but i still kinda wanna see you play it lol
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The first DLC was kinda good, the second not so much.
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I absolutely want to see the DLCs from the furthest place possible, they sound absolutely delightful.
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention that the ghost mom is one of the few setpieces from Infinite that I can remember. Other than "ghost mom", it seems I had completely forgotten any other context around her.
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ghost mom concept is dumb and irrelevant and I'm happy that she only really occupies one level. But it makes all that buildup from the previous levels unsatisfying.
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I distinctly remember in the xbox 360 version that you lose all your weapons when you enter comstock house, so it's in your best interest to avoid the warden's gaze in order to avoid triggering enemies and thus minimize attacks (since all you have is a pistol and your magic to help you out, and these enemies can really soak damage). The PS3 version probably eschewed that since they couldn't get it working right.
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While I agree with a lot that has been said, I don't agree with "This game doesn't have an ideology." It thinks it doesn't, it thinks it is ethereally fair and balanced, aloof and detached from the base matters of the facts of the lives and deaths of millions and billions, with its groundbreaking story about rescuing a hapless but magical girl, but it does have an ideology. It tries to set up a political conflict as a backdrop and instantly shows its rear end by going out and saying that on the one hand slavery is bad, but rebelling against slavers is also bad, and done by bad people who massacre innocents.
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 That's a great movie to put in a place with easily excitable people.
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Well, he died for his craft. Too bad he never got to see the chuckles that it generated.
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presumably they recovered the footage from the ground, right? And the camera and the film reel survived the trip downwards somehow
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This is why I prefer Bioshock 2 when I feel like playing a Bioshock game, no stupid paracausal mother ghosts or the oppressed becoming the oppressors, just you as a Big Daddy storming around a collapsing Rapture looking for your lost former little sister.
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Bioshock 2 does have the most interesting and dynamic gameplay, in my opinion, so I would agree. Of course, it also has (shudder) Lamb.
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