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Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Camnecting rods

What I want to know is how does it work if the engine stops perfectly at TDC or BDC

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Supradog
Sep 1, 2004

A POOOST!?!??! YEEAAAAHHHH
If I understood your concern correctly, given the age of the design I assume its kick start, and some over complicated mechanical solutions was incorporated by the German engineers. Or you need to kick twice to get it to start as it won’t be at t/Bdc on the second kick.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




WAIT

















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Cramshaft

Nailed it.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Camnecting rods

What I want to know is how does it work if the engine stops perfectly at TDC or BDC

There's functionally no difference to a chain drive cause you can see it's got the gears at the bottom, it can't spin backwards or anything


Excellent

Supradog
Sep 1, 2004

A POOOST!?!??! YEEAAAAHHHH
Here is an Unicorn. A German engineers fever dream.





Why do I say fever dream?

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Some technical compromises had to be made to accommodate the G450X’s unusual clutch arrangement. One consequence is that the engine's crankshaft rotates backwards instead of forwards, as is typical.

quote:

With the design brief specifying both low weight and the improved handling brought by a longer swingarm, the required space was liberated by moving the multi-plate clutch to the right-hand side of the crankshaft. As a consequence, the clutch basket drives the gearbox, instead of the other way around.

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On enduro bikes made by established competition, the front drive sprocket is located forward of the swingarm pivot, meaning that drive chain tension changes dynamically according to rear suspension movement. In turn, this means the drive chain must always incorporate a certain amount of slack. BMW solved this problem using its Coaxial Traction system, with the front drive sprocket located on the same rotational axis as the swingarm pivot. This is facilitated by the swingarm’s locating shaft running through a hollow gearbox output shaft. This arrangement allows the drive chain to be run with minimal slack (around 5mm, as opposed to the typical 25 to 35mm). This reduces chain lash without danger of overstressing the gearbox output shaft bearings, and reduces overall stress on the gearbox assembly.

Although lighter in overall weight, the engine/gearbox arrangement has some inherent disadvantages. Mounting the clutch assembly on the crankshaft means the clutch rotates approximately three times faster than is typical, and the concentric location of the front drive sprocket and swingarm pivot means that the routine task of front drive sprocket replacement requires removal of the rear swingarm.

All quotes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_G450X

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Lol BMW 'solved' this 'problem'

I'm not gonna link it here but suffice it to say their engineers are the dwarves from oglaf and will engineer the gently caress out of anything whether you want them to or not

Slavvy fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jul 22, 2023

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Lol that’s the most bmw thing possible outside of telelever

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
Having helped replace the front sprocket on a G450, it is much more simple than you'd think.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Nidhg00670000 posted:

Having helped replace the front sprocket on a G450, it is much more simple than you'd think.

That's either bait or stockholm syndrome.

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
I mean, it's not like doing it on a "normal" bike, but it took us about 45 minutes, having never done it before and following a guide off of the interwebs. It's not like replacing the clutch on an older BMW K-bike or something.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

*45 minutes later* so simple!

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
Yup.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Nidhg00670000 posted:

I mean, it's not like doing it on a "normal" bike, but it took us about 45 minutes, having never done it before and following a guide off of the interwebs. It's not like replacing the clutch on an older BMW K-bike or something.

Pro tip: on most bikes it's four bolts for the cover, two for the sprocket, slide the wheel forwards to loosen the chain and you're done. Sometimes you don't even have to take the shift lever off (2 more bolts)

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Have you considered that by making something 3x as complicated and time consuming, they've realized a massive 1% performance improvement under favourable circumstances?

helstein
Mar 12, 2006

https://revivalcycles.com/blogs/the-handbuilt-show-blog/2023-builders-bikes

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

One of those bikes is a goon bike.

Shuka
Dec 19, 2000
Thanks for sharing that thread I can't believe how many times he tore that engine down. Valt you're a monster

Catastrophe
Oct 5, 2007

Committed to burn twice as long and half as bright
I don't know if this fits here but it's a 1940s, post-WWII, German "moped" with an 18cc 2-stroke diesel engine to power it and you control the cylinder compression with the handlebars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzouISFTHvM

edit: it isn't shown actually attempting to run until the very end of the video, just so you know.

Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Sep 23, 2023

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

It's beautiful

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

yeah i love that. post the video whenever he gets it on the road.

i bet you could run it on old motor oil or canola oil or literally anything. it'd be a fun (noisy, smelly) way to commute to work

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




Yeah, it was one of those post WW2 poverty spec things that would sorta kinda run on any type of hydrocarbon you could get your hands on, in carpet bombed Germany.

There's a Miele (yeah, from the vacuum cleaners and washing machines) for sale in the Netherlands for €1800 or so. I am very tempted, but considering it is literally a bicycle, likely without frame number, with a tacked on engine, i doubt i could get it road legal. And if i can't smoke out the streets with it, i'm not gonna spend *that* much money on it.

I also found 2 engines together for around €450.

Captain McAllister
May 24, 2001


https://youtu.be/3U02jPPAme0?si=I_CyzB5hwBQHVMPy

The video of it running/him riding it.

T Zero
Sep 26, 2005
When the enemy is in range, so are you
This is neat - Suzuki SW1. Only 200 were made



https://jalopnik.com/this-suzuki-is-a-rare-motorcycle-with-the-benefits-of-a-1848669291


Belt drive, rear storage, tank storage.



I wish there were more elegant utility-oriented bikes on the market.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

If only it didn't look like 1970's hospital equipment

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Slavvy posted:

If only it didn't look like 1970's hospital equipment

I think it's gorgeous. :colbert:

I bet you don't even like the Moto 6.5 or the R1150R.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


Revolting

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Slavvy posted:

If only it didn't look like 1970's hospital equipment

That’s why I like it

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



NoneMoreNegative posted:

One of you Figgie Fuckers must have a spare $27k USD lying about, right..?

https://www.rideapart.com/features/704443/kanedas-bike-akira-custom-interview/


Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

super disappointed it doesn't have the capsule sticker

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Tetsuo posted:

ceramic double rotor 2 wheel drive, man it even has computer-controlled anti-lock brakes, 12,000 RPM!

T Zero
Sep 26, 2005
When the enemy is in range, so are you
All hail the king of the thumpers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twXWgs-KYKM



2000cc single

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
This is the only Bison video I need. :colbert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygyk_eCMGzU

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Magnificent

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



lmao hell yeah

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Schnell

Explosion

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Been following this account for a while and whenever this bike pops up I get confused. It sits right on the line between hate and love for me. Like it's so close to being a bike from some anime that I watched as a kid...

https://x.com/henken_bike/status/1756700425451962632?s=20


*edit: and then I find out it was used as the base for a couple of bikes in the mostly beautifully aesthetic but otherwise wank Ghost in the Shell live action. :v:

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/lifestyle/honda-nm4-vultus-ghost-in-the-shell/







Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Feb 12, 2024

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


Olympic Mathlete posted:

Been following this account for a while and whenever this bike pops up I get confused. It sits right on the line between hate and love for me. Like it's so close to being a bike from some anime that I watched as a kid...

https://x.com/henken_bike/status/1756700425451962632?s=20


*edit: and then I find out it was used as the base for a couple of bikes in the mostly beautifully aesthetic but otherwise wank Ghost in the Shell live action. :v:



A slip most freudian.

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
not a slip, the live action Ghost in the Shell movie was shite

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

In the grim darkness of the British Isles, wank is sometimes used as an adjective

It's weird I know

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Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Jazzzzz posted:

not a slip, the live action Ghost in the Shell movie was shite

:yeah:

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