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Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Megillah Gorilla posted:

She multiplies out of control and eats entire crops, changing her name to Katydid.

Alternatively: Ci-Kate-a

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Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Skippy McPants posted:

I am glad this show doesn't appear to be letting Nolan off as easily as in the source material. I read the comics while bored at work once, and it bugged me how quickly they glazed over Nolan murdering, like, so many people.

Nolan was also slightly less bad in the comic than in season one.

Slightly.

When he was fighting Mark, he was more indifferent to human life than actively trying to murder as many people as possible to make a point.

Not enough to justify as lightly as he was treated, but still.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Hughlander posted:

Just be glad it's not like Babylon 5...

Season 2 Episode 1 premiered November 2nd 1994. Season 2 Episode 22 premiered November 1, 1995. 364 days to air the season.

That's still averaging an episode every 16.54 days. Invincible Season 2 is going to average an episode every 19.25

PicklePants posted:

Gather round, gather round.. let me tell you a story of a small show called. The Venture Brothers.

There's a reason no one talks about Venture Bros despite it being the origin point for the structure of modern day continuity-conscious adult animation

Adder Moray fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Feb 18, 2024

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Baller Ina posted:

So Shrinking Rae just dies without ever really being a character, huh? Like, to the point where she barely even had lines. Every other hero has had at least a glimmer of a personality at least once, but she's a blank slate to the very end. Kinda weird.

She's based on Shrinking Ray from the comics, who was around longer (due to how the show and the comics arrange events), died in a similar (though less spectacular) way, and was somehow even less of a character.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Vampire Panties posted:

Thats an excellent point. Why is Mark going to college? wtf is he going to do, graduate and get an office job? Work his way up to middle management? Any time not spent as Invincible has a literal million/billion dollar price tag

He's a person, not a tool.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

BioEnchanted posted:

The alternative explanation is even funnier - he actually did grow that beard for real, and ripped it out for the reveal.

This is the actual case. That's why Allen immediately assumed Viltumite. Normal people can't do that poo poo.

It does, however, imply that Viltrumite facial hair grows as a single unit and the only part strong enough to resist being pulled off is the 'stache.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Shhhh. Put that in spoilers. It's too good to ruin.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Panfilo posted:

Did Rex have a Homelander type origin story? I feel like his comments suggest he was grown in a lab.

In case you're actually asking:

He was sold off by his parents to be experimented on in exhange for a shitton of money.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Captain Oblivious posted:

Nah that’s pretty much Invincible and most properties like it in a nutshell. “Deconstructing superhero stories from someone who doesn’t actually have anything interesting to say about superhero stories”.

Invincible falls firmly inside of the realm of genre reconstruction, not deconstruction. It lacks the cynicism of a deconstruction. Super Heroes are decidedly a force for good, even if they themselves aren't perfect and sometimes fall short. Notice how no one, not even Rex, is in the game for fame, money or recognition. The job sucks, but they do it anyways because they're there to help people. And they do help people. And it's not treated as naïve or foolish. poo poo, even Cecil is the least black-ops guy of possible black-ops guys.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

LRADIKAL posted:

Mark did well against the Viltrimite lady, he just needs to be more ruthless than he normally is in fights.

You mean he beat up an old woman?

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

LRADIKAL posted:

Viltrimites live for hundreds or thousands of years, I don't think she was supposed to be a particularly elderly person.

Viltrumites age extremely slowly, and she clearly looks like a fit human woman in their late 50s/early 60s. Meaning, while she almost certainly had a few good centuries left ahead of her, she was pretty mature.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010
Mark is weak for two reasons:

1. He's a reedy teenager who just got his powers relatively recently. He's not as built as Thula was, let alone Anissa or his dad.

2. His mentality really does hold him back. Put aside killing, you need to at least be able to commit to beating someone until they physically can't fight back. Mark should be familiar with this state, given how many times he's been in it.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

PostNouveau posted:

They had some dumb technobabble from Cecil and Donald about how they'd measured her somehow and determined scientifically that she was going to beat his rear end real bad.

It was very dumb, but it seemed like the viewer is supposed to take it as true that she was much stronger than Mark no matter how hard he tried to kill her.
The technobabble was just a wordy way of saying "she thick as a brick."

Looking at prime Tyson and saying Johnny Depp has no chance based on their physical builds isn't all that dumb.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Good Citizen posted:

I think that was just an animation quirk. I’d place Anissa in her early to mid 30s in viltrumite equivalent years or whatever

That post is talking about Thula

RareAcumen posted:

This whole time you all were talking about Viltrumite women ages and I thought you meant that lady that gutted Mark with her hair-knife.

Correct. Good Citizen is confused.

Adder Moray fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Mar 29, 2024

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Open Source Idiom posted:

Surely the act of hostile takeover, in and of itself, needs to be opposed.

But that's not something the show really does justice by. Nolan conquered the planet of the space bugs, but the show just sort of acts like he married into being their God emperor and that's somehow fine despite the power disparity and the fact that he's their new leader and all.

He didn't conquer that planet. They willingly put him in charge after an act of kindness (and in the comic, it was literally just because the Emperor is whoever is the oldest living person in the world). The people choosing you to lead is significantly different from forcing them into compliance. That's the first test.

The second test is whether or not you willingly surrender power if and when they choose somene else.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Let's also not forget that, despite serving as perhaps the most efficient hero on Earth for a long stretch of time, Nolan's go-to strategy for assimilating Earth into the Viltrum Empire wasn't the prospect of some kind of alliance using goodwill he built up. It was executing the world's greatest defenders and then keeping tabs on the backup team just in case he needed to off them, too.

That was mostly because of Mark.

All of this, in fact, is mostly because Mark exists.

If he'd never had Mark, Nolan would have been able to simply cultivate the planet for Viltrumite rule over time. People don't live that long, in a few generations Omni-Man being the singular ruler of Earth wouldn't just be accepted, it would be the norm.

Mark complicates things because of how long he will live. That's why Omni-Man was so upset when he got his powers, because he now had to work on an accelerated, messy timescale.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010
Thula is definitely fine. Vidor is dead as hell.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

Having just watched the season, can anyone name a more useless group than the faceless soldiers who rush into a room after the fighting is over and everyone is a bloody meat pulp? especially when the villains have a notable weakness to being shot with lots of bullets.

To be fair, in the case of the Lizard League, we see that they brought their own faceless soldiers who the GDA faceless soldiers were probably engaging with.

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Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Yeah, Omni-Man just kinda got a slap on the wrist from Mark when they met again on Thraxa in the comics. Admittedly, the show ramps up his actions a lot more. In the comic, a train happens to detail in the middle of their fight. In the show, it's purposely derailed by using Mark as a blunt instrument.

Neither outcome is great, but I think the whole "Oh, he didn't mean it" angle wound up winning out in the comics interpretation.


Admin Edit: Added spoilers per OP rules.

There's also the ship he sunk. In the comics he didn't do that. I pointed this out during season one. That making him so vicious and deliberate makes his "redemption" not work. In the comics he just didn't give a drat if humans got hurt, he wasn't actively trying to harm them. He was monstrous due to his apathy, not his malice.

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