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Tiggum posted:It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are). You know Dragonball Z, the really popular series for kid and teenagers? Invincible is that but with superheroes. Honestly gore and stuff isn't that objectionable in animation outside the US. The biggest movie in Asia this year was Demon Slayer which is rated R in the US because of gore, but was made for elementary school students in Japan.
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Yeah I loved the comic in high school and own a bunch of the hardback collections from that time. So demographic wise it’ll probably appeal to anyone 13 up whose a fan of superheroes and okay with violence. It’s cartoon violence still, so even the “gory” stuff isn’t much more than a big blood splatter.
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Mar 27, 2021 01:07
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It’s more about Mark. The Omni-man stuff is set up for what comes later but it’s not a story about evil super man. Anyway I think it’s probably smart that they varied up the races vs the comic. But knowing what happens with Amber later on I could see it generating some think pieces down the road. Ccs fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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Mar 27, 2021 23:50
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I really like it. I just finished episode 3 and this is everything I could have asked for out of an Invincible adaption.
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Mar 28, 2021 02:00
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Yeah her name is wordplay on that but it doesn’t come off as clearly when not text
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Mar 28, 2021 17:45
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I like the changes from the comic. Varying up the races is smart, costume adjustments are smart, style changes aren’t too drastic, it looks a lot like Cory Walkers early art with some of the Studio Mir/Legend of Korra influenced stylization. (I know they’re not the ones animating it but it has very visible influences and the animation supervisors in Korea might’ve worked on Avatar)
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Mar 28, 2021 23:01
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Yeah they're super blatant knockoffs, except perhaps for Immortal. The city Darkwing lives in even has the red sky that Gotham had in the 90s Batman cartoon. Image likes clowning on the other comics companies. Later in the series heroes from Image's own greater library of heroes show up, like Savage Dragon and Brit. Btw Savage Dragon is a... weird comic. It's like if they took a typical superhero story and unlike in Invincible, where they went the violence route, they went the porn route instead.
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Mar 29, 2021 14:49
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Doom2020! posted:
Maybe they felt Dr.Strange was a superhero reference more people would know? I dunno. When I first heard "Seance Dog" I was like "That's a weird way to pronounce Science". My reason for peacing out on Invincible was super petty. I hated how they bolded certain words so the reader couldn't put their own emphasis on what they wanted to in the sentence while reading. After a certain point I found it so aggravating that I couldn't be bothered to read another issue.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:21
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Zaphod42 posted:So far this show is pretty cute, and makes me wish JK Simmons did the voice of All-Might Manga doesn't do the bolding so much so I basically stick with that, though I've kind of fallen off of reading all comics lately and gone back to books. Longer stories in cheaper packages.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:54
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Ryan Ottley's art was a major reason I read Invincible for as long as I did. It's also great to have an american comic where the same artist stays on for nearly the whole run. I hate when I'm reading something good and then, whoops, that artist's time on the book is over, they go on to their next gig and their replacement can't do the characters half as well. It's especially jarring when the faces and eyes don't look consistent from issue to issue.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Youtube served up the, uh, fight from episode 1 in my recommendations. What is with Amazon's TV division and evil superman analogs? Is this just another show about how yo, putting your faith in hyperpowerful individual people is probably not a good idea with MAXIMUM GORE like The Boys? No I’d say Invincible is Kirkman throwing everything he likes about superhero comics and sci fi weirdness and even some occult stuff into one show. Currently it’s about evil superman but there’s evolving plots about alien parasites and dimensional invaders and teen superhero angst and middle age relationship drama and on and on. The comic sorta became like if the entire Marvel or DC universe was contained in one series. Episode 4 really reminded me how many side plots Invincible is always juggling. There’s always something new happening, some plot thread to simmer in the background for a dozen issues before becoming the main focus, so the world just keeps expanding.
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I've been watching Close Enough recently where Mantzoukas plays a 40 year old college professor and he fits that role much better. Kind of crazy you can be a voice actor and give the same exact voice to a child in Big Mouth, a teenager in Invincible, and a 40 year old in Close Enough and be like "yeah, that tracks."
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Apr 5, 2021 16:01
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LifeLynx posted:I came into this thread to say I've watched four episodes and the voices are really distracting. Either they sound like regular speaking voices of the actors or they sound like one trying way too hard at doing a different voice, like clone guy(s) or the demon detective. Come on, "tighten throat muscles and growl your words" can't be the only idea they have for a voice. The most distracting for me are Rex Splode and Cecil. A lot's been said about Mantzoukas, but Walton Goggins doesn't match Cecil at all. Ironically the voices for the clone and the demon are career voice actors. I don't mind most of the voices. I actually think even Mantzoukas is alright for the character, I'm just a bit tired of hearing him in everything I'm currently watching.
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Loved the latest episode. I remember how they did it in the comics and this was even better. Actually the series is pretty much improving on the comics in every way.
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Yeah. It’s really well written. It’s making me remember why I enjoyed a lot of the comic so much.
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Apr 11, 2021 00:13
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sliami posted:undoubtedly funniest review People who get mad about the Queen are absolutely the funniest people.
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zoux posted:I guess my concern is more that, for example, Steven Yeun is going to win an Oscar and then either his price tag is going to go too high or the project will become too small for him. Of course they got two other oscar winners voicing characters so maybe Bezos is just pouring cash into it. Dang I didn’t even think of that. I do wonder how much of the budget is going to the voice actors. Most of the animation has been good but I wonder if it could be better in the acting scenes if they had more animation budget, or if it’s really a question of schedule and this is the best animation the team can generate in the time provided.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:56
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People I know who don’t read comics and aren’t even fans of Marvel movies are giving Invincible a try. So that bodes very well for its appeal.
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Salvage Dragon. He's got a mechanical arm, but it's like, steampunk-ish.
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ruddiger posted:After Dragon's son Malcolm takes over the book, Dragon loses his super powers, so he's just a regular dude with green skin and a fin on his head. Erik had this strip run in the letters page. Hahaha fantastic. The only Savage Dragon I've read is the few pages that were going around blogs where people were freaking out about how outrageously sexual it had gotten. It's easier to make sense of the violence in Invincible in context to the Image comics line. They've always been about over the top violence. Invincible thankfully partnered that with a good story.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:38
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Yeah this episode was a bit weaker than the previous weeks but it was still fun getting to this point in the plot so soon. Last two episodes are gonna be pretty intense.
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Beamed posted:This episode is really bugging me. It was fine on its own, but the focus of the show being on "I must keep this secret AT ALL PERSONAL COSTS" while tons of plot threads are dangled and not yet followed up on (Mars, Titan, uh, the main show thread getting a token scene or two) is just.. why? If this is more of a "monster-of-the-week" show, as it definitely feels, I'd just write it off and shrug, it is what it is. But the tone of the show is trying to tell me it's more. I dunno. Invincible is basically trying to do its own take on every single superhero storyline ever. Sometimes they converge, and a few take precedence as the main arc of the entire series, but it's also sort of Kirkman getting the chance to show how he would write basically every situation we've seen in comics before with his characters. This kind of "im going to give you the definitive take on every aspect of superheros" is embedded in the comic's braggadocious tagline "The Best Superhero Comic in the Universe."
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Apr 20, 2021 16:18
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Immortal was so desperate to conceal that he was immortal that he let Reconstruction get hosed up during his successor's term instead of just acting like the bullet had missed a vital area haha. Either that or his body takes a really long time to actually come back to life after one of his deaths. I don't remember if the comic ever explains how his powers work. It's more just a gag that he's got similar facial hair to Lincoln.
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Jackard posted:caught up with the show and started reading the comic but jesus christ every character is worse some way or another The all over the place thing is a feature of Invincible, it's trying to cover every possible comics plot in one series. A lot of the characters have been improved in the show though. Definitely updating things to modern times and sensibilities.
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The animation in this episode really stuck out as not too great. The delivery of certain lines suffered because there was such obvious pose to pose switches to accent certain acting beats, really would have preferred them just to hold a pose since the overall direction and framing of shots is great. Nice finale though. In my memory the comics had more impact but the voice acting was spot on.
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I’m seeing complaints on twitter that Mark and Debbie didn’t have arcs this season and I’m like  Edit: Oh interesting the guy saying the characters don’t have arcs was the art director on Invincible. He seems totally disgusted with the show and says the next 2 seasons don’t even have a crew. https://mobile.twitter.com/axl99/status/1388329620571779074 https://mobile.twitter.com/axl99/status/1388322237623590913 Ccs fucked around with this message at 04:35 on May 1, 2021 |
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I work in animation and the idea of an art director giving notes about character arcs strikes me as crazy. That’s not their job. The departments are completely silo’d. Maybe Skybound was trying to be different and giving other departments some input? But you can’t really be upset when your notes aren’t picked up because that’s not the role you were hired for. I considered asking the guy for more specifics on what he didn’t like but I think this had more to do with feeling like he got burned while working on the show and taking that anger out on the final product. I dunno, I worked on Cats and got screamed at by Tom Hooper and worked 70 hours a week but I still think it a good movie to watch under the influence, no grudge. Ccs fucked around with this message at 04:55 on May 1, 2021 |
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This brings up a good point about how the comics explained Nolan’s plan a bit better. I feel like the show wanted to breeze over that to get to more action set pieces and maybe some of this explanation was implied by the baseball flashback, but it was still a bit unclear. https://www.polygon.com/comics/22412643/invincible-finale-season-1-omni-man-comics
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Affi posted:Yeah what is up with that? I mean its amazon so I guess they're treating their workers like poo poo anyway? It’s not even Amazon though, he’s criticizing the people at Skybound who made the story choices. Which... okay as an artist you can have your opinions, animators complain about the shows they work on all the time. They don’t take to twitter to air their grievances though, that’s potential career suicide. It’s like how actors never badmouth the project during its premiere. At least he didn’t post this on LinkedIn.
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May 1, 2021 16:47
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Like is this a valid criticism? I dunno. Depends how many generations Debbie’s family has been in the US and if they were the type of immigrants to try to fully convert to traditions of host countries, like how my mom never learned Norwegian cause back then immigrant parents just wanted their kids to fully integrate into US culture. It could have been neat for them to use chopsticks or something but I get why the writers didn’t since coming from the comic it’s unclear what Debbie’s cultural background is. https://mobile.twitter.com/axl99/status/1388525567000023042 https://mobile.twitter.com/axl99/status/1388526974776135687 I feel like Amber was written more like a poc character, but also she comes across as upper middle class suburbanite just like in the comics, although she has more social concerns and volunteers after school. Hrmm Ccs fucked around with this message at 17:23 on May 1, 2021 |
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Collapsing Farts posted:All people of mixed heritage are only allowed to eat specific foods related to said heritage, or else it's problematic I’d shrug it off but he was the art director and one of the storyboard revisionists on the show.
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BurritoJustice posted:What does this guy get out of this? These tweets have barely any exposure,p but they're public enough that they will be visible for his career and to his co-workers. He is insulting his ex-cohort, presuming he speaks on behalf of massive actors, turning on his previous company, and damaging a product he obviously cares about and put his heart into. It seems like career suicide so he can, what, get ten people to reconsider POC representation in a single (already progressive) show? Yeah it seems odd. I’m going to hazard a guess that during the show he pitched the idea that they should eat with chopsticks and it was shot down, so this has become a sticking point about bad representation. A friend of mine is a first generation Korean immigrant so I’m gonna check what he thinks.
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Casnorf posted:Isn't carefully calling attention to cultural differences that don't play into the story at all kind of exactly the opposite of representation? I think it’s more incidentally showing them using chopsticks, maybe some Korean food on the table, or maybe something else Korean Americans generally have in their homes (what do the prototypical Korean American homes look like? The only friend from my childhood whose parents were Korean just had a stereotypically suburban house, but with more emphasis on Jesus stuff on the walls.)
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May 1, 2021 21:31
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Casnorf posted:This isn't really a value judgement, honestly. It's just, like, isn't calling out JUST HOW DIVERSE WE ARE REALLY as opposed to treating the characters as though they're people who live lives just like everybody else and there's no overwhelmingly external influence to dictate their personalities? Yeah I agree with this. I dunno what the tweet author wanted, them to be eating kim chi sometimes? Debbie having taught Mark and Nolan Korean and speaking it, or saying random Korean phrases sometimes while stressed? All of that could have come off as hilariously heavy handed. Like I get the jist of his point, that he doesn’t want poc to just be a pallet swap from white. But I don’t know diverse upper middle class suburbia really is in terms of their behaviours. Ironically I was eating kimchi poutine while watching the Invincible finale. Cant remember if it was with chopsticks or a fork though. The Korean community in Quebec has done a great twist on that dish. Ccs fucked around with this message at 22:19 on May 1, 2021 |
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I asked one of my best friends who’s Korean American for his take: “ I can understand the spirit of the criticism, cause here’s a show with a half Korean-American main character and his Korean American mother and they’re voiced by two of the biggest Korean American actors in the industry so why not go all out in depicting some more heritage stuff, but the heritage that the show is more concerned with is the main characters alien father who might be super hitler. In that case it might seem like a slap in the face to spend time on his relationship to a fictional race of super beings as opposed to an actual culture that really exists. But... it’s a superhero show so the MCs relationship to the super powers people kinda does take precedence for plot reasons. But just saying eating western food is not korean i can't really get behind.”
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May 2, 2021 02:10
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Oxyclean posted:So what's the deal with The Immortal being like... Abe Lincoln or something? What was with those flash backs when he was being revived? Past lives? Or was it like, all part of his life? Does he get killed and come back, or was being chopped by Omni man his first death? Yeah as his name suggests he’s immortal but his regeneration happens at speed of plot. He’s had many identities.
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In general aside from Studio Mir the Japanese studios turn out much higher quality work with more consistent draftsmanship and better acting. Due to the 40+ anime shows per season being produced for Japanese audiences they really don’t have time to work on western shows though, nor do they want to from being burned in the past. Avatar really opened the floodgates to Korean studios becoming more equitable partners in the production process and I think there’s a lot more emphasis on quality control now than there was in the 90s, but Mir is busy with other projects so Skybound had to send the work to a different facility. They’re good but a lot was asked of them what with there being so many characters and so much footage to get through. A lot of the time in dialogue scenes it feels like they traced the storyboard and did the bare minimum of in betweens to get from pose to pose, without breakdown poses that would help smooth out the arcs of the motion. They’ve definitely got some good action animators who spent a lot of effort getting the impact framed to read. That’s the stuff animators love to actually drawn though, so some of that is probably just the result of the artists caring more about those bits. You could see them running up against the limits of their ability to act out impactful dialogue during Omni Man’s rant to Mark on the mountain. It was high energy stuff but so pose to pose with a bit of overshoot to cushion things.
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Mr Interweb posted:on the topic of the animation, i figured it was done by studio mir, but according to wiki it's done by this company called T.A.P. which i can't find any additional info on. but regardless, whether or not the show is done by studio mir, it has that look that's pretty prominent among all the titles they worked on. this clean, but very generic look that i've seen in so many of their works that i'm a bit bored of it by this point, personally. i don't have much of an issue with the animation itself, but the character designs leave a bit to be desired. which is kind of interesting cause studio mir is an offshoot of JM animation, which did Avatar: TLA, a show whose characters had a lot more - for a lack of a better word - personality. I've been rewatching Legend of Korra and I think Mir stuff has plenty of personality. Korra looks leaps and bounds better than Avatar's first season. By season 2 they were getting in the groove. Invincible might find its feet but the studio isn't being given any credit, Skybound is being referred to as the animation studio. I feel like this is one of those cases where the studio would like to try to cover up that outsourcing is happening but of course there's a bunch of korean names in the credits so can't do that so much.
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Murata is insane. In addition to drawing pages as if they're keyframes in an animation he also goes back to old pages to revise them constantly. Which means you might see the same page years separate and it'll be totally new drawings, it's just the latest published version of that volume switched the old pages for the redrawn ones because he didn't think the originals were up to snuff. Or in some cases he just wants to make them hornier instead of retaining the original manga’s jokey approach to this character. https://mobile.twitter.com/YusukeMurataArt/status/1376003476870864897 Ccs fucked around with this message at 19:15 on May 4, 2021 |
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Good Citizen posted:The difference between the comic and the show in that scene was all in how explicitly depicted Omin-man's murder spree was. He absolutely killed just as many people and had just as much disregard for human life in the comic. Here are the relevant pages (not spoilering since it already happened in the show): Yeah its more implied killing here though. And the extent of gore here is Dragonball-level blood splatter. The show really went next level, implementing how grisly some of Ottley's art got later on.
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