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the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I expect that's the point of consulting the legal people: making sure they know who can do what without some jackass judge throwing it out*.

*blah blah blah SCOTUS blah blah

Worth remembering that Roberts basically tried to tell the Trump lawyers how to restructure their arguments to have a facsimile of constitutionality but they only were able to figure out it like a quarter of the time.

While I doubt Biden gets the benefit of the doubt here from the SC, it doesn't hurt to actually get your ducks in a row before implementing new policy.

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the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

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facialimpediment posted:

Well here's a happy surprise. This thing flew out of the Arkansas legislature and I figured it was cooked.

Bill background for this abhorrent piece of poo poo: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/arkansas-passes-bill-ban-gender-affirming-care-trans-youth-n1262412

While good, I'm awaiting him putting out EOs on the subject like Noem did in SD. More than one way to play to the base on trans issues they didn't care about 3 months ago.

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

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facialimpediment posted:

There's a solid chunk of the country that will simply not give a flying gently caress about scientific research and data. So they're looking for whatever or whoever confirms their bullshit, which is usually randos on Facebook in a chicken-or-egg cycle of bullshit. Throw on top of that:

There's been a decent amount of discussion that resistance to vaccines in the West is largely due to the effectiveness of vaccines in the West. No one gets measles, mumps, rubella, polio, or smallpox anymore so people become inured to the idea that the vaccines are worse than the diseases, an opinion which can only exist because vaccination has been so effective. This is just part and parcel of an overall increased distrust in government since the late 60s/early 70s.

Edit: its a little different in developing countries thanks to the CIA trying to use vaccines to catch bin Ladin!

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts

Oxygenpoisoning posted:

The Powell memo under Nixon lays out the discrediting of labor, academia, science, and non whites that conservatives started in order to make more money and gently caress over everyone else. A lot of it was in response to civil rights, but also Ralph Naders work in consumer advocacy.

And to be clear, the deceptive narrative the government surrounded the Vietnam War was also a huge part of this.

Part of it is also human nature; when Nader showed that car companies literally had been astroturfing faux campaigns around how seatbelts were the real danger in order to avoid spending an additional like $200 per vehicle people stopped believing authorities. This is good! People should be skeptical of narratives that make little to no sense! But our brains are also giant heuristic-generators which can take information like that and transform it into a method of thinking which becomes "if a car company, or any company, or government, ever says anything, we shouldn't believe them." This combined with the anti-government narratives taken up by the entirety of conservatism and large portions of left leaning Americans in the late 70s through today has basically helped create a thinking ecosystem where the public reflexively distrusts any government intervention in anything and even positive corporate work in America.

This is a random example, but the city I live in conducts a levy every 5 years in order to ensure its schools are some of the best in the state. I live in an area bolstered by a large Air Force base and an otherwise decent local economy. They're having to maximize advertising and heartily persuade people to vote for this school levy to ensure that kids still get transportation to and from school, kindergarten can remain all-day instead of half day, arts and music classes aren't cut, and most sports remain free or heavily discounted, among other things. In addition, close to 200 people in our school system will be laid off, with over half of those being teachers. This levy will cost people at the highest end around $600-700 a year in additional property taxes, and most others far less. This levy has already failed twice because of "accountability concerns" where people want to know where the money is going to. While this can be a real concern, none of these people have found the information supplied sufficient, despite a pretty detailed accounting of what could be cut and what those effects would look like. At the end of the day, many of those people voting against the levy will simply vote against it because they don't trust the very local government to handle their money, because they've been convinced that there is no situation in which the government can handle funds effectively. I don't have any children but I'll vote for it because having good schools is important to keep a community strong and, at the end of the day, increases their property values, increases in which will likely far outweigh the payment of the property tax, which they were already paying for. This area has already seen a dip (yes, an actual dip) in a neighboring community where a Trump-esque figure defeated a similar levy with the argument that they can easily pay teachers less and cut funding from schools and there will be no effects. People don't trust government any more, they don't trust what they see or don't see, and can be convinced to basically harm themselves as a result.

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts

wins32767 posted:

I'd be more onboard with thinking that this is a moral argument if other countries weren't trying to get the best, most technically sophisticated vaccines for local manufacture at the same time as saying that they want to keep the IP. The AZ and J&J vaccines are much easier to make and just as effective at preventing deaths, why insist on Moderna and Pfizer like South Africa has been doing?

IIRC RSA wants those two because AZ was shown (in very limited clinical trials) to be ineffective against their variant.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKBN2BD0K4

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

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Brute Squad posted:

the big question is, is it better than a hilux? could you turn it into a technical?

You can turn anything into a technical if you believe in yourself.

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the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

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facialimpediment posted:

Mostly. It's very hard to argue "get vaccinated, protect yourself and others" to someone that takes the position of "gently caress others, I'll take my chances", which is the Rogan position and younger chuds. The vaccination bonuses are for the apathetic types that always find a way to put it off, but can be convinced. The Rogan types will always demand more information, then remain unconvinced (and troll) once given the information. Can't really win those.

To make the connection even more clear, Dana White, who runs the UFC held an event in Jacksonville this past weekend with 15K spectators and said that Covid-19 was overblown and barely affected anyone who was young and in shape. This is despite the fact that his 145-lb champ contracted Covid-19 on his way from Australia and then almost died of it. And another huge draw in a heavier version of one of his best fighters almost retired because he felt so bad (Chimaev). And his LW champ vacated because his dad died of Covid. And multiple other fighters have performed extremely poorly after catching it in training (Cormier). After all that, he still thinks Covid-19 is overblown because its his political belief, not because there isn't evidence to show its a horrifying disease to basically everyone in virtually all age groups.

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