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Literally Kermit posted:I’m not entirely clear on how juries for big cases work, and it probably changes state to state: how many jurors and alternates are there for an active trial? Is “52” his overall all number in the section process, I presume? Correct (per my understanding), he was interviewee #52 when selecting jurors.
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Paracaidas posted:
You know, for all the poo poo about Biden being a milquetoast liberal and/or crypto-conservative, watching the federal government do this under his lead is pretty fun. Yeah, it ain't fixing all the problems, and I'm not going to say he's perfect, but goddamn it's a refreshing change.
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Apr 29, 2021 02:07
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Paracaidas posted:
 That is a, let's say, unusual measure by the DOJ. by which i mean the "arresting chauvin" thing, but the rest also owns
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Apr 29, 2021 02:24
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I for one am Glad the federal government is going to step in to white supremacist gangs in the police forces of this country.
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Apr 29, 2021 05:28
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I do wonder if Jan 6 actually got through to them and Democrats realised the white supremacist cops literally want to kill them.
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Apr 29, 2021 05:49
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do wonder if Jan 6 actually got through to them and Democrats realised the white supremacist cops literally want to kill them. Garland does seem rather motivated here.
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Apr 29, 2021 07:04
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Paracaidas posted:
This is not how things are done now, but this kind of response is pretty much exactly why civil rights charges exist at a federal level.
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PT6A posted:You know, for all the poo poo about Biden being a milquetoast liberal and/or crypto-conservative, watching the federal government do this under his lead is pretty fun. Yeah, it ain't fixing all the problems, and I'm not going to say he's perfect, but goddamn it's a refreshing change. Politics is the art of the possible, this is genuine reform in progress.
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Apr 29, 2021 10:33
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Garland does seem rather motivated here. That the Praetorian Guard stepped aside and let the mob in should be ringing every kind of alarm bell, I just really didn't think the Democratic political establishment still had the ability to process and respond to such stimuli. While an inquisition would be the proper response to this, not incrementalism, making an example does work in this case where the nazi cops are lazy, spiteful, childish and stupid. Though would not be surprised to see cops retaliate against elected officials physically before the year- hell, the season- is out.
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Apr 29, 2021 11:43
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GreyjoyBastard posted:
DOJ realized that the entire country would be up in arms if Chauvin got off and had a plan to possibly mitigate that. It wouldn't have worked, but it's nice to know that they had a plan to try.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That the Praetorian Guard stepped aside and let the mob in should be ringing every kind of alarm bell, I just really didn't think the Democratic political establishment still had the ability to process and respond to such stimuli. i mean i think the DOJ is slowly building cases and figuring out where everything went wrong and who hosed up and who activly sided with the traitors and such. that will take til at least 2022. the house wants to do it and probably will but the right keeps loving with the votes or some poo poo. idk.
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Apr 29, 2021 21:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the house wants to do it and probably will but the right keeps loving with the votes or some poo poo. idk. The house majority can do anything it actually wants to do short of pass an act into law. If it’s. It getting don’t it’s not lack of capability...
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Bel Shazar posted:The house majority can do anything it actually wants to do short of pass an act into law. If it’s. It getting don’t it’s not lack of capability... probably. i think the worry is the GOP will gently caress up any kind of January 6th commission. plus i trust the DOJ's findings over the houses in general.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:probably. i think the worry is the GOP will gently caress up any kind of January 6th commission. plus i trust the DOJ's findings over the houses in general. Don’t invite them
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If anyone here is interested, two of the prosecuting attorneys (Blackwell and Schleicher) did an interview with the local NBC station about the case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMUnhOhYQG8. It's pretty interesting, to me, to hear about their approach and decisions made for how to handle the case.
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Apr 29, 2021 22:17
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Bel Shazar posted:Don’t invite them A house investigation's main purpose would be to help convince the public that this is how poo poo went down. If the GOP actively protests the investigation, then half the country will just decide it's the Dems being partisan hacks because our country is extremely stupid. Since it's now obvious that the GOP has no interest in investigating I'm good faith, there's basically no point to the house doing poo poo.
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Apr 30, 2021 12:44
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The other cops that were involved in George Floyd's murder are going to have their trials broadcast, similar to Chauvin's. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-b1840363.html Full story quoted because paywall quote:Some in the Minnesota legal system were apprehensive about allowing the live broadcast of Chauvin's trial over the killing of George Floyd but the video feed had no major problems and bolstered the public's understanding of the trial, Minnesota Public Radio News reported.
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Velocity Raptor posted:The other cops that were involved in George Floyd's murder are going to have their trials broadcast, similar to Chauvin's. Yea, I think livestreaming trials will become more and more common. It's just one of those things that everyone is too scared to try, but after it's finished everyone realizes that it works well. The interview I posted a few posts above with Blackwell and Schleicher had them talking about having cameras in the courtroom as well. Their takeaways was it didn't affect them in the slightest and only potential worries would be witnesses being intimidated by it for high profile trials.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Garland does seem rather motivated here. I don't know Merrick Garland, but I hope he's the sort of man who holds a grudge and serves his revenge cold.
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mdemone posted:I don't know Merrick Garland, but I hope he's the sort of man who holds a grudge and serves his revenge cold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland#Early_career he helped with alot of chud terror cases.
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mdemone posted:I don't know Merrick Garland, but I hope he's the sort of man who holds a grudge and serves his revenge cold. Everything I've seen from him is that he's exceptionally motivated to gently caress with racists. Almost breaking down in tears talking about how his grandparents fled pogroms in Russia and America gave them a chance, and we've got to give that opportunity to everyone. He will gently caress them and he will enjoy doing it.
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Lager posted:A house investigation's main purpose would be to help convince the public that this is how poo poo went down. If the GOP actively protests the investigation, then half the country will just decide it's the Dems being partisan hacks because our country is extremely stupid. Since it's now obvious that the GOP has no interest in investigating I'm good faith, there's basically no point to the house doing poo poo. They are actively doing that right now without a house investigation. Stop pretending you can engage with them and just accept they are wholly lost causes and move forward without them.
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Bel Shazar posted:They are actively doing that right now without a house investigation. Stop pretending you can engage with them and just accept they are wholly lost causes and move forward without them. i mean also the DOJ is doing the same thing while also arresting alot of these fucks and hopefully will arrest some of the traitors in congress if evidence turns up. like i think their should be a january 6th comssion but its worthless if the GOP directly sabotage it.
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Bel Shazar posted:They are actively doing that right now without a house investigation. Stop pretending you can engage with them and just accept they are wholly lost causes and move forward without them. Right, and so there's no purpose to the house doing a commission because it'll either be a joke (if they let the GOP water it down) or ignored as partisan (if they tell the GOP to gently caress off and do it anyway). So might as well let the house do other poo poo and have the DoJ handle the investigation.
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Lager posted:Right, and so there's no purpose to the house doing a commission because it'll either be a joke (if they let the GOP water it down) or ignored as partisan (if they tell the GOP to gently caress off and do it anyway). So might as well let the house do other poo poo and have the DoJ handle the investigation. So let me preface this by saying I agree completely with you that the GOP would sabotage it or call it partisan, or both. That being said, I strongly reject your conclusion that there is no purpose. It’s their job. Check the friggin’ executive (which organized the directed the mob in question) and use the power of your offices to hold a spotlight on the mess that is our nation.
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Bel Shazar posted:So let me preface this by saying I agree completely with you that the GOP would sabotage it or call it partisan, or both. i mean i think they will but i think they are waiting for the DOJ to get more info and get a rough outline first and etc.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean i think they will but i think they are waiting for the DOJ to get more info and get a rough outline first and etc.
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FilthyImp posted:I'd like to wish that they're hoovering up all the small racists (like the guy that was livestreaming and saying "I'm just a citizen journalist!"), moving up to idiots like Ali Akbar, searching poo poo so they can get a DM or text from Green, Cawthorn, or any of the other nazis in congress. thats my assumption. like we didnt know about gaetz stuff until like month and half ago and that had been going on for a year. we won't know poo poo about this stuff until we do.
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Ali Alexander is connected directly to the Mercers. It would be wild to see actual billionaires eat poo poo because their weaponized fascist agitator got out of pocket. I'm not holding my breath but it's nice to have #goals.
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Chauvin's filed for a new trial Reasons include the defense being meanies, the judge being wrong, and the media being very unfair to his witness. Barring that, the jury may have felt racially based pressure?  Phoneposting so RIP formattingquote:For an order granting a new trial, pursuant to Minn. R. 26.04, subd. 1, on the following Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 04:20 on May 5, 2021 |
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May 5, 2021 04:09
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Paracaidas posted:Chauvin's filed for a new trial Might as well throw a hail mary.
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May 5, 2021 04:40
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Solitary confinement is torture. So there's that.
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May 5, 2021 04:42
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It was against the law to have found my client guilty.
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May 5, 2021 10:13
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Rather envious of Chauvin's lawyer, guy can float by grifting police unions and chuds for at least the next 5-10 by pretending that they can get him off if they can make this or that legal move. Often dreamed of living the good life off of the bucks of the worst people in America but never figured out a way to do it that wouldn't slowly destroy my soul.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Solitary confinement is torture. So there's that. Toss him in general population. Solved. In several ways.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Rather envious of Chauvin's lawyer, guy can float by grifting police unions and chuds for at least the next 5-10 by pretending that they can get him off if they can make this or that legal move. If it's any consolation the dude is probably bombarded with threats from one side for defending Chauvin and from the other for failing to do so successfully.
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FoolyCharged posted:If it's any consolation the dude is probably bombarded with threats from one side for defending Chauvin and from the other for failing to do so successfully. He did mention at the trial that he receives so many emails now that he doesn't even bother to look at them.
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May 5, 2021 14:49
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This fell off my radar after the verdict dropped, do we think a new trial is realistic?
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cr0y posted:This fell off my radar after the verdict dropped, do we think a new trial is realistic? I doubt a successful appeals will happen and there is a near 0% chance of a new jury trial actually occurring. The judge dismissed all objections along these lines, of course that could also be because the judge wanted to continue course and wanted to punt everything to appeals to sort through later. But the burden of proof is extremely high to get an appeals hearing, and even higher to win an appeals decision of any kind. I think about the only way this would occur would be if they found something like a juror with notes that says "we need to convict, otherwise there will be riots" or something obvious along those lines.
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