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Byzantine posted:Trying to puzzle out the rules of greater ethics and the meaning of meaning is overdoing it, imo, when the real crux is that the immediate future is loving bleak. Having a kid now just means they'll come of age right after the fifth once-in-a-century economic collapse and be stuck making $2.13/day in balmy Alaska. This is my general reason not to except I think it's way worse and mammals are pretty much done by the end of this century. That said, I also think that civilization is bad, and bad for us, and therefore that it is always immoral for civilized sentients to reproduce. Even the term, reproduction, captures the pitilessly machinistic lens through which civilization understands the world. -posted using smoke signals from a hut in the woods-
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DrSunshine posted:What is "civilization"? Are hunter-gatherers not civilized? Are the seasonal settlements of slash-and-burn agriculturalists not civilized? Is the production of tools not a civilized behavior? The coastal areas of the Pacific Northwest were such abundant places, fed by the great upwelling of deep ocean nutrients surged up from the depths by the westerly flow of the wind, that they allowed gatherers to produce complex hierarchical societies despite not having agriculture. We have evidence for this in the massive shell-mounds that they left behind. Are they civilized or uncivilized? Lol no, it's not agriculture that's the root problem, it's language. Language is the first and most terrible of all technologies, and what makes us human, and yes it should obviously be eradicated because it's not viable. Consciousness grants a degree of competitiveness that is incompatible with ecosystems perpetuating themselves. Humanity - the state of being self-elevated above a base animal - is a dead end biologically.
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Nah I'll stick with it thanks, one more for the big list of things that should not be but are anyways
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Who made that list? The concept of lists itself did - it is the form that is the problem you see, and the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe Mulva posted:I mean I can't take your failure and ignorance from you, so instead I'll hope you enjoy whatever comfort they bring. Sounds exactly like every other human's experience, love you too!
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DrSunshine posted:Oh my god. Because we're already extinct and it's fun to tilt at windmills about why. :P I'm aware of all the points you raised, and don't ascribe any sort of mystical woo woo balance to nature, take a chill pill. I take roughly the same stance, hard to moralize the oxygen crisis. But to the things living at the time, it was a total disaster. A quirk of evolution drove the annihilation of its source organism and the vast majority of the rest of life at the time. Such is consciousness now. E; see, I'm not wishing for mammalian gigadeath, it's just here already. Small poo poo might make it through this millennium but nothing over like, medium dog size. Naked mole rats probably have the best odds. Car Hater fucked around with this message at 16:22 on May 16, 2021 |
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