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adoration for none posted:No one wants to live in Kowloon Walled City Plenty of people were happy in Kowloon Walled City, and had to be forcibly evicted. Nobody paid taxes and there was business to be had. I mean sure you might not see the sun for days, and your home is one room that is like 7 feet square for 4 people, but you could make some serious bank. And anyway home is home. Things peaked in the crime front in the 60s and 70s. By the 80s it wasn't perfect but it wasn't a hellscape either. So you have a short commute, good pay, and a tight community. Yeah the air isn't great, the noise pollution is ridiculous, and law is a foreign concept, but people adapt. Which is sort of what this all comes down to. Someone posits a thing that is bad, but which the people that actually had to experience it were more or less fine with or overcame. Why is it bad because someone else says it was? Who makes them the arbiter? Conversely the people that were fine with it aren't the arbiter either, but if the people that experienced it can't agree that it was a universal hardship who gets to override them? And why? The end of this conversation is always someone saying "These things are bad because I say so" and someone else going "Naw". Depending on which person you side with the entire conversation is either logical, or a defense of suicidal ideation.
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Vasukhani posted:even if you birth children into 2060 hell world, by 2150 they will be unbirthed and will have never suffered That's not how anything works, but you keep trucking!
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Marching Powder posted:after careful consideration i think the most persuasive argument is the guy who felt pain so bad if given the option he would make the possibility of experiencing joy impossible for everyone across all dimensions. i just don't see that sort of raw energy from the rest of you. if you're not prepared to kill everything forever, don't even post in this thread. The counter position is "I'll gently caress everything I don't care I'll get your desk chair pregnant stop me you won't", which I really don't see anyone being able to sell after woozy got probated.
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Josef bugman posted:I keep seeing this term used and I have no idea what it means. What is "a cope" or "copium"? An excuse. Copium is internet bullshit speak for a coping mechanism used to deny reality.
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Apr 10, 2021 12:02
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Gatts posted:Not sure but I think finding a way to reduce human population on earth to 2 billion would be beneficial until we can colonize other worlds and build a sustainable supply chain or terraform or O’Neil Cylinders or something and then control human development until we wanna build poo poo like Star Lifting and can traverse stars but that requires thinking beyond just the individual The population of the Earth could be 5 people and if 4 of them decided to screw over the last 1 the planet would still be horribly mismanaged and nothing would get done. Conversely we could feed house cloth and educate billions more people than live on the planet now with less ecological impact than we currently have if we were properly managed and cared enough to do it. The number of people on the planet is not and never has been the problem. It's the quality of people on the planet. Population control doesn't fix that.
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Apr 12, 2021 11:49
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Shitposting isn't real, it's something terrible people say they do to avoid therapy.
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Apr 14, 2021 22:19
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Vasukhani posted:If someone can tell me one reason life should exist that doesn't involve souls or some type of magical thinking related to immortality, I'd be interested to hear it To gently caress with you. Life should exist to gently caress with you, personally.
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"Death is rad", says person that hasn't killed themselves yet.
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May 7, 2021 00:48
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NikkolasKing posted:I never really liked this supposed argument. What argument, that people that really believed what they were saying would eat a loving bullet? It's not an argument, it's reality.
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May 7, 2021 02:11
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Vasukhani posted:this is like saying abortion doesn't need to be legal because people who really need it will just find a way. It's actually nothing at all like that, in any sense, at all.
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May 7, 2021 08:52
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Vasukhani posted:mayhaps it is in fact quite hard to reliably kill yourself. I'm sure in 20 years you will say you've always supported bodily autonomy, but I guess its still too progressive right now It's super easy to kill yourself reliably. Especially if you have the internet, like you do. Reminder: I'm not making a wider point, I'm saying if you, personally, believed what you were saying you'd kill yourself. As you are still shitposting, you don't. Which makes everything you are saying tedious. Note: Not saying go kill yourself. I'm saying stop pretending you actually believe what you are saying. You don't, you are just pissing and moaning in a corner. Mulva fucked around with this message at 22:12 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 22:07
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:So to be a Real antinatalist, I need to have a vasectomy yesterday, got it. The "extremes" of doing literally anything but talking about it, yes. If the extent of your beliefs is talking about it on the internet, then it's just posturing. You might as well be some loving music nerd going "Yeah, well, I liked them before they were big". You don't care about the thing, you care about being known to care about the thing. We can deduce that fairly easily if you've taken no steps to support the belief, but *have* taken repeated steps to show you have the belief. This shows where the priority lies. If you have any disagreements with that methodology I'd love to hear it.
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Great, nobody was talking about that and nobody probably disagrees. Feel like eating a bullet yet?
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We aren't the only species with language, try again.
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May 16, 2021 13:34
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Car Hater posted:Nah I'll stick with it thanks, one more for the big list of things that should not be but are anyways I mean I can't take your failure and ignorance from you, so instead I'll hope you enjoy whatever comfort they bring.
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May 16, 2021 13:43
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Also a lot of doomposters act like "Climate change" is a thing that will jump out of a dark alley and knife people. What, exactly, do you imagine is going to cause wealthy and powerful nations to collapse, rather than billions of poorer folks in weaker nations getting the dick while richer ones adapt?
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May 16, 2021 17:13
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Byzantine posted:Disease. We stand in the wreckage of the greatest pandemic of the last century. The United States hosed it up so badly it is boggling to consider we nominally have a government at all. The death toll is probably close to a million for us, without all the hiding bodies and 'Well they really died from this and not COVID' we have going on. It's a tragedy that could very well define a generation. It changed literally nothing about how this nation operates. And frankly in 4 years it'll probably be a loving anecdote for everyone that didn't lose a loved one to it. Disease is not going to stop the horrific ghoul of America from continuing to devour the weak and oppressed. We'll keep on keeping on right on through it. Probably not going to stop any other nation that considers itself wealthy and powerful either. Consider this a taste of things to come. A lot of people will die, especially those most vulnerable, but nobody will care and society will march on. That's the future. Yardbomb posted:I mean it already is doing that, it's just that the knife is steadily getting bigger and sharper. No, it's not. It's really, really loving not. It's not that kind of threat and it's never going to be, but it'd have to be that kind of threat to justify the level of sadbrains posting over it. The type of thing where you blink and 4,000,000 people died in a second, out of nowhere, for no real cause we can predict. It's never going to be that, all the causes of death and distress will be seen from a thousand miles and decades in time away. We will not be surprised about any of it, nor will we be caught flat footed about what to do about any of it. We may not actually do any of the things we have to until the last possible second, but that's still more than enough time to push the majority of the suffering away from first world nations and onto the backs of nations without the wealth and technology to take the steps we can. Like I said, a lot of people will die, especially those most vulnerable, but nobody will care and society will march on. Mulva fucked around with this message at 17:45 on May 16, 2021 |
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Josef bugman posted:Are... are you serious? I mean you've got increasing difficulties growing crops and (worse) pollinating crops There will never be a point in the entirety of the most extreme climate change scenario where we lose the ability to artificially generate fertile soil and grow crops. Ever. Ever ever ever. We could lose the ozone layer and the seas could boil away, and we could still grow crops. It's a solved process. The only question is how many could potentially die as things get harder, which is a number that is never going to reach 100%. quote:you've got mass flooding of low laying areas Move inland, build massive walls, loving die. All good solutions. quote:huge numbers of refugees from everywhere else on the planet. Kill them. It's not hard. It's horrific and immoral, but it's super easy and morality isn't actually real. We put children in loving changes for the grand crime of.....ah yes, 'being foreign', and all most people have managed about that one is a stern 'tut tut'. quote:You've got the death of vast numbers and the collapse of the various different supply chains that keep the world in which we currently all exist turning. Then the world as it exists will die. quote:Your attitude is one of "shut up you sad fucks, your wrong". You are wrong. That's the point, the world doesn't care. And there is no-one calling us to task for our sins. We can rape the planet, lead to the death of billions, and go "Welp, that happened" and just mosey onward like it never happened. Nobody can call us to task over it. Extinction is a mechanical issue, not a moral one, and there's nothing coming down the pipe that we have no idea how to deal with. None of it is novel, none of it is unexpected. The species will adapt. Civilization at large will adapt. What form it takes is both in flux and irrelevant. The fundamental assumption in the depression is that things will get bad and we'll all care. We won't all care, we've never all cared. So why do you act like everyone in this future will act like a depressive rather than like a sociopath? Byzantine posted:Covid came out of nowhere, swept over the whole world and is currently at 3.4 million dead. It's been a year and a half to do those numbers and in another year we aren't going to have 6.8 million dead. Well I mean we probably will, much like how 3.4 is a bullshit number, but the official number won't have doubled in double the time. And what we learned from mRNA vaccination will leave us that much better equipped for the next virus that we ignore before it kills millions. COVID is already transitioning to the 'managed' stage. We could have a hundred more COVIDs and the population of the world might just about reach Spanish flu levels of panic. How often do you, personally, find yourself thinking of the Spanish flu?
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