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people should be born but should be allowed to opt out. Forcing life is unethical.
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humans have a natural drive to eat protein rich meat, but killing animals can be wrong because their suffering outweighs the good that come from the meat same deal with human reproduction, when you make life, you create untold suffering, infinite pain, people should have a choice about that just like they have a choice with pregnancy.
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Apr 8, 2021 19:41
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just having suicide facilities solve all of these issues
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Apr 9, 2021 00:22
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unless reverse birth is made safe, easy, and affordable, I don't see how birth can be justified
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Apr 9, 2021 04:09
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sucide booths will be the next socially progressive issue my body, my choice
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Apr 9, 2021 04:17
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sexpig by night posted:no no, see haven't you learned anything? It's not enough to just have a baseline stance of 'bodily autonomy means freedom to do what you want with your body', you have to put every kid in the world in a class where they learn how correct and good it is to use the suicide booth in the name of dwindling the population to pre-industrial levels. oh yeah, not reproducing because you think life will suck for your kids is a mix of nostalgia and eco fascism not reproducing because you care about consent is cool and good
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Apr 9, 2021 04:38
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actually being alive is good because all the suffering goes away once you die, so nothing bad can come of it. Live, might as well.
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Apr 9, 2021 05:44
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Konomex posted:Most people would argue there is no evidence the suffering goes away once you die. That's quite the gamble. Also, you're weirdly fixated on easily accessible suicide, are you okay? there is plenty of evidence to suggest consciousness goes away once you die.
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Apr 9, 2021 06:34
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nothing about existance ethical or unethical, when you die the program ends, a pure neutral
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Apr 9, 2021 20:28
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arguing over whether cooking the steak hurts the cow
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Apr 9, 2021 20:28
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even if you birth children into 2060 hell world, by 2150 they will be unbirthed and will have never suffered
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Apr 9, 2021 20:29
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If someone can tell me one reason life should exist that doesn't involve souls or some type of magical thinking related to immortality, I'd be interested to hear it
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May 6, 2021 22:45
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Bringing life into the world on the off chance it enjoys it is like trying to get struck by lightening so you can play the piano better
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May 6, 2021 22:47
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I am content after eating a meal and no longer being hungry. Filling up and emptying a vessal makes me content to a level. This does not mean that the vessal not existing would be worse. When i hold my breath I feel relieve and satisifaction by breathing eventually. This is all just biological and has nothing to do with meaning.
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May 6, 2021 23:42
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Beelzebufo posted:What is meaning? it doesnt exist. When people die, everything ends, there is no preservation of happiness or sadness. Letting people die its the only way to have an ethical society. There is no reason to be against this.
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May 6, 2021 23:51
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anti-natalism is a boring thing incels wax about to feel good about not loving embracing death as cool is actually rad though
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May 6, 2021 23:52
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Beelzebufo posted:Why does preservation of happiness or sadness matter. What are ethics? Please provide me a definition of ethics that doesn't rest on meaning, since it doesn't exist. suffering is bad and creating suffering is bad, preventing suffering is good
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May 6, 2021 23:55
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DrSunshine posted:Yeah, the universe and everything in it is meaningless. Congratulations, it seems you've discovered the first part of 20th century existentialism! Time to read some Sartre!! The second part of this journey into modern philosophy follows, in which the existentialists answer: "So it is then up to people to define their own meaning." I'm not the one who brought up "life satisfaction" lol
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May 6, 2021 23:56
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Beelzebufo posted:Why? Why is suffering bad? because I personally dont like it DrSunshine posted:Yeah, the universe and everything in it is meaningless. Congratulations, it seems you've discovered the first part of 20th century existentialism! Time to read some Sartre!! The second part of this journey into modern philosophy follows, in which the existentialists answer: "So it is then up to people to define their own meaning." Adding to this, a huge amount of people can never achieve their meaning. Should they just live to service the "gifted" forever? wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 04:25 on May 8, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 00:01
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Beelzebufo posted:If nothing has meaning, why does the subjective qualia of suffering carry any weight? Why, absent meaning-making, does your or anyone else's suffering, carry ethical connotations?
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May 7, 2021 00:05
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Mulva posted:What argument, that people that really believed what they were saying would eat a loving bullet? this is like saying abortion doesn't need to be legal because people who really need it will just find a way. Pentecoastal Elites posted:13 was a tough age for me too haha yes. believing in fundamental bodily autonomy is truly an adolescent affliction.
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May 7, 2021 08:40
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Mulva posted:It's actually nothing at all like that, in any sense, at all. mayhaps it is in fact quite hard to reliably kill yourself. I'm sure in 20 years you will say you've always supported bodily autonomy, but I guess its still too progressive right now
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May 7, 2021 09:41
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sean10mm posted:I think they are just asking why you haven't killed yourself, specifically, based on your stance on life itself that reads as an edgelord's parody of nihilism more than a coherent defense of bodily autonomy as a general idea. I would say I'm still vaguely curious about stuff. But holding people hostage because the next part of the movie might be good is unethical.
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May 7, 2021 15:03
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:no one is arguing with you about broad bodily autonomy, including the right to autoeuthanize, which appears to be generally supported throughout this forum (or subforum, at least). Great, so we've successfully debated and discussed. Having children is fine, but you must make accessible exits for it to be ethical. Close the thread I guess.
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May 7, 2021 17:50
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Mulva posted:It's super easy to kill yourself reliably. Especially if you have the internet, like you do. Reminder: I'm not making a wider point, I'm saying if you, personally, believed what you were saying you'd kill yourself. As you are still shitposting, you don't. Which makes everything you are saying tedious. "drat, you support abortion yet had kids? guess you're a hypocrit"
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May 8, 2021 04:04
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The issue of birth ethics is entirely negated simply by giving humans actually freedom of choice, again unless you think the body belongs to the state/god/whatever and not the human
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May 8, 2021 04:09
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Mulva posted:Great, nobody was talking about that and nobody probably disagrees. Feel like eating a bullet yet? ? quote:Disease & Disaster > Do you think reproducing is morally/logically/ethically wrong? ???? it's literally the thread topic? And you don't disagree? wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 04:24 on May 8, 2021 |
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May 8, 2021 04:21
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good(?) news (?) it looks like we will need to keep thinking about this, new research suggests that fertility decline has been greatly exaggerated https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14647273.2021.1917778?src= Richardson and her colleagues found that earlier research claimed causal links between declining sperm counts and declining fertility, as well as between exposures to certain environmental chemicals and lower sperm counts. The GenderSci Lab researchers found that neither of these assumptions are supported by scientific or geographic evidence.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:wait so are the frogs turning gay, or not rumors of frog gayness may be better explained by the frog getting a career and going to college, deciding not to lay eggs
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